Bill Wiese (Man Who Went To Hell) - 23 Minutes in Hell (Condensed)

[Christ4Ever]

Hi Sue you called me a Calvinist, 5 I don't know if that is good or bad.

I have no intention of Googling anything to find out who you are comparing me to.

Look Sue we I believe that we disagree in the subject of Hell, that's fine.

I have posted scripture etc. as we all have to open our different minds, on the Bible,
to give you and me food for thought, maybe to find new hidden truths, that's the whole point of this site.

By the way what is TULIP in England it's a flower.

With Love, Wnl

Dear Brother,
I thought I'd give you a link that might help explain Calvinism. It might be a good idea to look at it, because certain of the terms associated with Calvinism is used in discussions here as a way of stating a persons stance by doctrine. Oh, it also explains the use of TULIP. This site is also good for other research as well. :smile:

I hope it helps. I've been called a Calvinist in the past as well, and had your same reaction. So, I guess you're either in good company or bad company depending on how your see Calvinism.

What is Calvinism?

Calvinism stresses the sovereignty of God, election, predestination, Jesus' dying only for the predestined ones, and salvation cannot be lost.

carm.org

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Headcasey669]

He from my first impression looks to be an amazing man. I will have to look at more of his work. I am however normally sceptical of such claims.

 

[Sue D.]

Are you referring to Calvinism or Bill Wiese?

Bill Wiese does sound like an amazing man. His use of Scripture. And the fact that he hadn't shared with anyone or group for all those years. Except , if I remember correctly, his mother.

 

[PloughBoy]

Dear Brother,
I thought I'd give you a link that might help explain Calvinism. It might be a good idea to look at it, because certain of the terms associated with Calvinism is used in discussions here as a way of stating a persons stance by doctrine. Oh, it also explains the use of TULIP. This site is also good for other research as well. :smile:

I hope it helps. I've been called a Calvinist in the past as well, and had your same reaction. So, I guess you're either in good company or bad company depending on how your see Calvinism.

What is Calvinism?

Calvinism stresses the sovereignty of God, election, predestination, Jesus' dying only for the predestined ones, and salvation cannot be lost.

carm.org

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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You have me laughing so hard, a lot of us in the beginning would talk about the Holy Scripture, and people would call you a “Calvinist” , you would not even know what a Calvinist was, matter of fact it would be first time you even heard his name. They call you a Calvinist , You would say a Calvin who, what is that? You quote something out the bible like, predestination, the elect of God, the sovereignty of God, He chose me from the foundation. They would say: you a Calvinist. LOL , you be wondering what are they talking about, they would be ready to burn you to the stake. You standing there dumbfounded . It made me go read his biography, where he came from, what school he went to, what religion he study, and where he live, what church he pastored, what university he started, what songs he song, what prayers he prayed. What books he read. He didn’t even wanted to teach , preach or pastor. He was like “Jonah”. He was not going to “Nineveh”. God had him shaking so bad, his knees went to knocking. He went on to”Geneva “ where God wanted him to be. “He had the fear of God in him. The word “Calvinism” or “Calvinist” did not come into existence until 40 year after John Calvin’s death. He would of had a fit knowing that a movement was name after Him. He did not want his grave even to have a marker on it. John Calvin is what we would call a “Augustinian”. The Term and doctrine “The five points of Calvinism” came 40 years after his death at “The synod of Dort” I think it was around 1619. Surrounding “The Arminianism controversy” Calvin would had a heart attack someone taking about the 5 points of Calvinism. lol. Be like the Bereans check things out for yourself. Read it for yourself. You will be surprise When said: “The Theologian”. That is John Calvin. He was a “Augustinian”. And Martin Luther was a “Hussite”. John Hus. Check it out for yourself you will be bless.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You have me laughing so hard, a lot of us in the beginning would talk about the Holy Scripture, and people would call you a “Calvinist” , you would not even know what a Calvinist was, matter of fact it would be first time you even heard his name. They call you a Calvinist , You would say a Calvin who, what is that? You quote something out the bible like, predestination, the elect of God, the sovereignty of God, He chose me from the foundation. They would say: you a Calvinist. LOL , you be wondering what are they talking about, they would be ready to burn you to the stake. You standing there dumbfounded . It made me go read his biography, where he came from, what school he went to, what religion he study, and where he live, what church he pastored, what university he started, what songs he song, what prayers he prayed. What books he read. He didn’t even wanted to teach , preach or pastor. He was like “Jonah”. He was not going to “Nineveh”. God had him shaking so bad, his knees went to knocking. He went on to”Geneva “ where God wanted him to be. “He had the fear of God in him. The word “Calvinism” or “Calvinist” did not come into existence until 40 year after John Calvin’s death. He would of had a fit knowing that a movement was name after Him. He did not want his grave even to have a marker on it. John Calvin is what we would call a “Augustinian”. The Term and doctrine “The five points of Calvinism” came 40 years after his death at “The synod of Dort” I think it was around 1619. Surrounding “The Arminianism controversy” Calvin would had a heart attack someone taking about the 5 points of Calvinism. lol. Be like the Bereans check things out for yourself. Read it for yourself. You will be surprise When said: “The Theologian”. That is John Calvin. He was a “Augustinian”. And Martin Luther was a “Hussite”. John Hus.❤ Check it out for yourself you will be bless.

We're called a lot things by others. Personally I'd just be happy to be called a Brother in Christ, since I belong to Him and not to a theology.
Thanks for sharing Brother and blessings to you as well.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[PloughBoy]

You have me laughing so hard, a lot of us in the beginning would talk about the Holy Scripture, and people would call you a “Calvinist” , you would not even know what a Calvinist was, matter of fact it would be first time you even heard his name. They call you a Calvinist , You would say a Calvin who, what is that? You quote something out the bible like, predestination, the elect of God, the sovereignty of God, He chose me from the foundation. They would say: you a Calvinist. LOL , you be wondering what are they talking about, they would be ready to burn you to the stake. You standing there dumbfounded . It made me go read his biography, where he came from, what school he went to, what religion he study, and where he live, what church he pastored, what university he started, what songs he song, what prayers he prayed. What books he read. He didn’t even wanted to teach , preach or pastor. He was like “Jonah”. He was not going to “Nineveh”. God had him shaking so bad, his knees went to knocking. He went on to”Geneva “ where God wanted him to be. “He had the fear of God in him. The word “Calvinism” or “Calvinist” did not come into existence until 40 year after John Calvin’s death. He would of had a fit knowing that a movement was name after Him. He did not want his grave even to have a marker on it. John Calvin is what we would call a “Augustinian”. The Term and doctrine “The five points of Calvinism” came 40 years after his death at “The synod of Dort” I think it was around 1619. Surrounding “The Arminianism controversy” Calvin would had a heart attack someone talking about the 5 points of Calvinism. lol. Be like the Bereans check things out for yourself. Read it for yourself. You will be surprise When said: “The Theologian”. That is John Calvin. He was a “Augustinian”. And Martin Luther was a “Hussite”. John Hus.❤ Check it out for yourself you will be bless.

 

[Headcasey669]

Are you referring to Calvinism or Bill Wiese?

Bill Wiese does sound like an amazing man. His use of Scripture. And the fact that he hadn't shared with anyone or group for all those years. Except , if I remember correctly, his mother.

I was referring to bill.

 

[Hidden In Him]

@ Beresheet -- at first I was very skeptical, too. But this guy has everything based on Scripture. And that's what I was wondering about -- just how much Scripture he would be using. And he's trying to lead people to Christ.

I too was sceptical, but Bill Wiese not only includes scripture to back up everything he says, he uses stacks of it, verse after verse after verse.

Hell should be seen for what it is, what scripture says it is.

Greetings, guys, and blessings in Christ.

I'm an avid student of visions on Heaven and Hell, so this subject is of personal interest to me. What I've found is that God uses believers from all different denominational backgrounds to confirm the realities of both. In Bill's case, the Lord may very well have chosen him precisely because he was a Baptist, and because they are by nature sticklers for seeing things supported by the word of God itself. Mary Baxter's account of Hell is actually much stronger than Bill's - the strongest to date - but it may be intended for a somewhat different audience. I receive blessings from reading both, but it encourages me that many who normally might not read such accounts are willing to give Bill's consideration. Belief in the realities of both Heaven and Hell will be a matter of spiritual life and death to many during the end-times, and as a result our Lord wants the world to know.

Blessings again, and I enjoyed reading your posts.
Hidden In Him

 

[Reba1]

Is his story more powerful then this mans story ?
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- Mr Weisses story is something he did experience but didn't share it with anyone for many years. It's full of Scripture and he shared that he never intended it to be made public. But he told his mother about it and she shared it with others and he ended up becoming well-known. I have no reason to Not believe it.

And I'm a firm believer in the Luke passage. Lots of people don't believe that It is genuine, either.

There are those who don't want to believe that hell is as bad as people/ Scripture says it is. They will find a way to discredit Anything other than 'God is good /loving and would Never send anyone to hell'. Which is correct. He doesn't send anyone -- 'we' either accept or deny what Scripture says.

And besides -- that existence was not / Is not meant for people == but only for satan, the beast and the false prophet. God has provided the way for mankind to stay out of there. Now there Is a wondermeant about the identity Of the beast and the false prophet. But -- as long as 'we' are Not trying to purposely lead people Away from Christ / His shed blood being sufficient to save us -- then we are 'safe'.

 

[Reba1]

But -- as long as 'we' are Not trying to purposely lead people Away from Christ / His shed blood being sufficient to save us -- then we are 'safe

Leading someone away from Christ is ok if it is not on purpose ? really ?
To me the story in Luke says there aint no second chance. seems others read it differently

 

[PloughBoy]

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.[Sheol].

 

[Sue D.]

People have been conditioned by society / schools / that there is Always a second chance. God's Word says there Isn't. As we read in the Luke passage. There was one poster who decided that That passage was not literal.

the individual who Knows God's only way Of salvation and tries to lead people Other-wise is / has the spirit of antichrist.

If I'm driving along a road that has turns in it, and I discover that the road has a problem and won't handle traffic safely and in fact people Will go over the edge and Die -- but I don't go back down the road to warn people about and leave them on their own To die -- I am Purposely Letting them die. Or I'm familiar with the area and know how to navigate Around the messed up highway that's up ahead but do Not tell anyone about it and they die because I led them the wrong way. I purposely led them to their death. THAT person Will end up in hell and later in the lake of fire and brimstone. They are a liar, deceiver -- and If they continue down This pathway, they Will be punished for eternity. Now IF that person comes to their senses -- acknowledges their problem -- then they Can accept Christ but Only during This lifetimes.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well -- Mr Weisses story is something he did experience but didn't share it with anyone for many years.

Yes, Ma'am. That's often the case with visions of Heaven and Hell. Baxter received her extensive vision in the mid 1970s, but the book wasn't actually published until around 2000. Same with Rick Joyner's primary visions.
I believe the visions that Harold Pittman witnessed of 2nd Heaven were published quickly by comparison (had the experience in 1976, the book was published in 1980), but his was more the exception than the rule.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Is his story more powerful then this mans story ?
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

If you are going by the Source, not by a long shot, LoL. But the modern visions, despite being given to ordinary believers, are actually becoming more detailed now.
This account, btw, was of a soul being tormented in Hades before Christ led captivity captive up into Heaven. I seem to recall a section of Baxter's account where she spoke to a woman in Hell who had been there 2,000 years, and was there to witness when Christ ascended out of the underworld with the Old Testament saints.

Frightening that someone could be there that long.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.[Sheol].

Fantastic verse! And I think it shines great light on the human condition. Satan has conditioned humanity to be faithless with regard to Heaven and Hell, demons and angels, the supernatural in general.
I was even reading in Colossians and Ephesians that Paul was regularly praying for the churches that their eyes be enlightened to know the riches of the glory of their inheritance in Heaven.
It suggests that even believers had a tough time catching up to fully believing in all God had waiting for them in eternity.

But we are conditioned by the enemy to doubt, because he knows if we become fully aware of all that awaits us in eternity, we'll be more earnest about seeing that we don't end up in the wrong place.

 

[Reba1]

So often in reading forums this passage comes to mind :
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Hidden In Him]

So often in reading forums this passage comes to mind :
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I fully agree. Especially v.5.
So much of Christianity no longer walks in the supernatural power of God, nor even believes that the gifts are still in operation today.
As a result, they reject what the Spirit is saying to the churches. This is not what the early church did. According to 1 Timothy 4:1, they paid attention to what the Spirit was saying on many subjects, and regarding many warnings.
Luckily we at least don't have to deal with the Gnostics like they did, but even that may be returning again some day (v.6-7).

 

[Sue D.]

@Hidden In Him -- when you think about all the people who drowned in the world-wide flood -- they were all non-believers. They went to hell to await the final judgement yet to come.

 

[Hidden In Him]

@Hidden In Him -- when you think about all the people who drowned in the world-wide flood -- they were all non-believers. They went to hell to await the final judgement yet to come.

Yes, Ma'am, that is correct. Not quite sure if this is a question regarding 1 Peter 3:18-22 or not, but if so yes. The reference to the "spirits" whom Christ went and preached to is to those eight in particular, whom Peter was paralleling with New Testament saints as being relatively few in number (Matthew 7:14), and saved by baptism into Christ as represented by the deluge.

Forgive me if I misunderstood you. Taking a guess.