my_little_pony
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Hi Agua. Seems we are posting at the same time again. Thanks for looking at that list I presented.
What about taking it as Jesus suggests? It's pretty clear.
You've said that not all Christians are called to be disciples. You've said that Christians and ministers are the same thing.
So, what is the difference between a Christian and a disciple?
ACTS 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Are you suggesting they should not?
No, actually I've said quite the opposite several times. It's about who we work for. That's been the whole point in all of my posts. Really, agua. God or money. In either case we must work. Work for love or work for money.
Hopefully the point is clear now. Work for love.
Oh dear, here it is again. I never said people should stop working, and I never said Jesus told people to stop working, so why are you saying I said it?
If you believe Jesus, you will do what he said. If I tell you there is a bomb in the room, you show your belief by running out of the room. You won't sit there trying to explain to me that what I really mean is that I must not put my health before God.
No, there is nothing about payment in any of these verses. It's about sharing, and that is obvious, agua. That you keep relating all of these verses back to money when there is no mention of money at all shows what appears to be a fairly deep bias.
If it was just about being paid, why would Jesus bother to send them out without anything? Why would he bother to ask them if the lacked anything? Why would he bother calling them to travel around with him in the first place? He would just hook them up with nice paying jobs so they could give the money to him to feed orphans or whatever.
Seriously, you don't need faith to get a job working for money. You just make phone calls and fill out applications, like any atheist in the world does.
Can't you see that you are deliberately overlooking what these verses are communicating?
Again, there is nothing in the verse, or even in the context, suggesting payment for services. Paul was trying to teach these young Christians about SHARING
If we take this verse as you suggest it would mean we should not own anything. Is this what you are implying?
What about taking it as Jesus suggests? It's pretty clear.
Jesus was gathering his disciples who were to be full time ministers. Some are called to this position but not everyone is. All Christians are ministers and followers of/for Christ and many do this while maintaining their usual working life.
You've said that not all Christians are called to be disciples. You've said that Christians and ministers are the same thing.
So, what is the difference between a Christian and a disciple?
ACTS 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Same as above. Are you suggesting everyone should be a full time missionary?
Are you suggesting they should not?
These people shared their possessions but what makes you think they ceased working?
No, actually I've said quite the opposite several times. It's about who we work for. That's been the whole point in all of my posts. Really, agua. God or money. In either case we must work. Work for love or work for money.
Hopefully the point is clear now. Work for love.
Jesus was not telling people to stop working but that the most important thing in life is believing in Him. The following verses clear this up
Joh 6:28-29 NKJV Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" (29) Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
Oh dear, here it is again. I never said people should stop working, and I never said Jesus told people to stop working, so why are you saying I said it?
If you believe Jesus, you will do what he said. If I tell you there is a bomb in the room, you show your belief by running out of the room. You won't sit there trying to explain to me that what I really mean is that I must not put my health before God.
Jesus told the disciples they would be provided for while ministering. They would actually be "paid" for their deeds by people who benefited. Compare ...
No, there is nothing about payment in any of these verses. It's about sharing, and that is obvious, agua. That you keep relating all of these verses back to money when there is no mention of money at all shows what appears to be a fairly deep bias.
If it was just about being paid, why would Jesus bother to send them out without anything? Why would he bother to ask them if the lacked anything? Why would he bother calling them to travel around with him in the first place? He would just hook them up with nice paying jobs so they could give the money to him to feed orphans or whatever.
Seriously, you don't need faith to get a job working for money. You just make phone calls and fill out applications, like any atheist in the world does.
Can't you see that you are deliberately overlooking what these verses are communicating?
This is showing how ministers for God will/should be paid for their labours. Are you suggesting it means something else?
Again, there is nothing in the verse, or even in the context, suggesting payment for services. Paul was trying to teach these young Christians about SHARING