Hi Nick, i would like to know your view, and i do study and research, i try to understand what it means to be a Christian and apply Christs teachings in my life, which is why when i come across someone who also claims to be a Christian like myself, but who holds vastly different views to my own and whose life is based on wholly different practices i want to understand how that can be, and you're the only one that can tell me that,...... good to know we're in agreement on that Nick, there can't be a Left/right split as a Christian, as you rightly say each issue has to be approached on the basis of Christian teaching, although i hold what most people would regard as a Liberal view on most issues, i'm totally opposed to Abortion, and would love to see it abolished , but with a massive increase in social spending, Education and Reproductive Health education and provision for those Mothers and would be mothers to cope with those children who'd now live rather than be killed,...... but on the issue of Christs teachings, i disagree, i've spent the last few decades studying the Gospels, which i do on a daily basis, trying to understand and apply Christs words to me life, and i'm still learning, it seems to me that all wisdom can be found there and is a complete basis on which to live your Christian life, but why do you say you need to study wider, what do you believe is missing in the Gospels, its not that i use the Gospels vs the rest of the Bible, just that i believe the Gospels gives me all i need to continue my walk with Christ
Hello Rad,
Now we're talking
First, it's to understand that this really only applies to believers. Now on to the subject of Abortion. The example which you alluded to. You admit to being opposed to it, which to me is not the same as seeing it as being wrong and not something supported by in Scripture. My belief that when one adds conditions to this subject, as in increased funding, education etc. I see it as allowing for instances where it is okay to Abort, if certain conditions are not met. The conditions of course would change depending on who you talk to, but regardless, they all point to exceptions. For this to be so, I'd have to find Scripture where innocent life, (I believe the child in the womb regardless of how it was conceived is innocent.) provides a reason for the life to be taken. Until then it's just plain life or death that is being supported where the extenuating circumstances are not of the child's own making. For child it is! I've even looked into the child actually creating conditions where it is actually poison to the mother. The little I could find speaks more of conditions like this that are preventable, that would negate an either or situation.
The moral issues of how a child was conceived, still speaks to the innocence of the child, or do the sins of the father/mother fall upon the unborn? Some speak to generational curses, but is that something that an unborn even prior to birth is saddled with, and if so does it justify the child being aborted?
I realize after rereading what you've written that you're not actually suggesting exceptions to Abortion, but rather a dedicated effort to increasing the knowledge available to Mothers who will either raise the child or give one up for Adoption. The latter one being only an assumption on my part that you'd agree as acceptable. That being said, makes this an ethical point of view to have. Just stating no to Abortion is not enough. Much more needs to be done, but even without those, Abortion still cannot be an option.
On the need to study wider, against just the Gospels as it pertain to Scripture is to understand that there was a reason that they were given to us as well. Without it would I as a Gentile would not truly understand how I came to be included or even how rejected by His own people, how His people could/are still open to be part of God's Saving Grace. Would I understand "church"? So, many concepts that help us not only know Christ Jesus, but each other is opened to a greater understanding for us. However, the most telling evidence given us to understand is the Holy Spirit and what He has to share with us. That you would believe that "
all wisdom can be found there" is to limit what food has been made available for us to grow with through the Holy Spirit in the rest of Scripture.
To be honest with you. I can understand your reasoning, but with this limitation those who seek to have discussions such as we are having here wind up arguing less the topics then the pitting of Jesus against the very ones He choose and taught to carry on His Commandments upon this Earth. This even includes Paul, who maybe because he was the more prolific writer, becomes the main opponent to Jesus in these discussions.
I could go on, but I think I've touched enough of some of what you have brought up. Plus, I have a headache (probably sinuses) whose persistence is worthy of this acknowledgement :smile:
With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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