Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[Hekuran]

What is the "Liberal Perspective ?"

All the ideas on the left side of the OP.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Are you Liberal?

 

[Hekuran]

I'm Christian. And on most issues I side with the liberal view.

 

[Born Again 2004]

So, you pick and choose as a Liberal. ...you choose most Liberal views but not same sex marriage and abortion ?

 

[Quantrill]

Greetings,



i don't think satan gives a hoot who gets killed and who gets deceived and way-laid.
As for Martyrs, from what i understand they are ones who lose their lives for the testimony of Jesus. Christians who are killed for other reasons can't really be called Martyrs BUT God still sees their death and has His judgement in store.

[i didn't want to sidetrack the thread but saw this @Quantrill and wanted to touch base with you on it]


Bless you ....><>

I believe satan is aware who the believers are. And because they are believers he has a hatred for them. Take Jim Elliot the missionary to S. America. Or the missionaries to China who were killed in the Boxer Rebellion. Many of these were killed, not because they were Christian, but because they were some foreign devil.

satan can play on race, on political alignment or anything else. He doesn't care. As long as he gets them out of the way is all he cares about.

Christians usually align with the conservative right in America. Thus satan can use many opportunities to get at Christians through the politics of the day. And he doesn't even need it known that they are Christian.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

If that's what jesus was doing - he failed. The nation never came close to taking up the principles of the Sermon on the Mount, and with a generation of Jesus's death, Jerusalem was destroyed.

So, Jesus failed with Israel, you say. And how has He fared with the Church? Any better?

That was and is what Jesus is doing. It is not over yet. Jesus Christ has not failed in either work.

Quantrill

 

[Hekuran]

My point was that you've misunderstood Jesus's work on earth.

 

[Hekuran]

So, you pick and choose as a Liberal. ...you choose most Liberal views but not same sex marriage and abortion ?

Yes. Examine each issue in the light of scripture, the best available data, and what's politically possible, then make an informed choice.

 

[Sue D.]

Jesus job on earth was to point us to His Father in heaven, All the miracles performed. He was showing the people that there was something 'bigger' than they, at work in the world.

Jesus Christ has Never failed at Anything. It's 'you and I' who either accept or reject Him. His Word.


And, of Course satan is aware of who born-again believers are -- he does his best to side-track 'us' into worldly junk to make our 'witness for Christ' as ineffective as possible. He's not concerned with non-believers because he knows that they are already headed in the same direction that he's going -- to spend eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone.

The biggest lies that satan promotes is that either hell doesn't exist or that it won't last all that long. Or that in hell -- at least God won't be there with all His rules and regulations. And all the Christians will be somewhere Else so as not to ruin all the 'fun' that non-believers can finally have in hell. But, by the time 'they' get To hell. It will be eternally too late to change their minds. And That is , no doubt, what satan will enjoy the most.

Everyone needs to examine each issue --in light of God's Word -- and make an informed choice. With most issues being faced Now -- God's word is very specific. And laws are put in place to be obeyed. When laws are Not obeyed, there Are negative consequences. Hundreds of families are separated from their kids because the parents break laws even in This country. So -- common sense says, Don't break the law. Families who stay together -even during the really bad times - have each other. In THIS country -- kids are separated from their parents for months and Years at a time because of the irresponsible choices of Their parents. The 'foster-care' system in This country is a mess. So I really can't feel really sorry for the border family situation. Sometimes 'life' simply isn't 'fun'. Families need to stay together on their own side of the border.

 

[Born Again 2004]

No arguments with anything you have said. My comment of what was his purpose was a direct comment regarding salvation. Jesus said he came to save. He does this specifically by residing inside a person, i.e., being born again ...that was his specific purpose. ....the Bible does the rest!

 

[Sue D.]

No arguments with anything you have said. My comment of what was his purpose was a direct comment regarding salvation. Jesus said he came to save. He does this specifically by residing inside a person, i.e., being born again ...that was his specific purpose. ....the Bible does the rest!

God's Word is what speaks to a person's heart. Jesus Christ Was the Word. John 1:1 and 5:20. The Holy Spirit works in the heart of Everyone -- hearing the Word of God. The Word of God is Alive and pricks the heart. Which is Also why a lot of people choose to Not read it. They experience the convicting of the Holy Spirit and don't like it. People Don't like being pricked by a pin. But it's Also how the Holy Spirit works in us to keep us on the 'straight and narrow'. But we Still tend to want to do things "our" way.

It's the Holy Spirit that comes to indwell the person immediately upon their salvation.

 

[Born Again 2004]

The Word is Jesus and Jesus is the Word. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God!

 

[markus]

First, this is exclusively about politics. I am a Trump supporter, but I do not agree on this. Faith is a private matter. Also, there are many interpretations of the Bible. Talk to various Jewish rabbis and you'll get many different interpretations of Torah which are completely different from Christian interpretations. One should not equal faith and politics. Jesus Christ was not a Republican or a Democrat.
People are losing the sense of awe and mystery if they start to think Jesus would be a Republican. It is ridiculous. Also, one should be aware of the fact that the United States is not a theocracy.
The United States is a democracy. In a democracy with time and change over time, social attitudes also change. Various beliefs and customs were present in Christianity in the year 1200, 1600, 1800 and 2019.

Both of these lists are to some point extreme whether liberal or conservative if we want to talk politics. Moderate and more understanding social attitudes and compromise on both sides is always the best in politics and society.

 

[markus]

Being a born again Christian doesn't mean being an extremist like some Muslim believers. Nor does it mean acting superior and downgrading others. President Trump is for all Americans. And born again Christians should understand that they are also human and not superb, infallible divine creatures. Super, infallible creatures only existed in Greek mythology and they were Greek gods. No human has ever penetrated in the absolute mystery of life or had all the answers to everything.

 

[Quantrill]

My point was that you've misunderstood Jesus's work on earth.

Yes I know your point. My point is Jesus is not finished with His work on earth regarding Israel or the Church.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

First, this is exclusively about politics. I am a Trump supporter, but I do not agree on this. Faith is a private matter. Also, there are many interpretations of the Bible. Talk to various Jewish rabbis and you'll get many different interpretations of Torah which are completely different from Christian interpretations. One should not equal faith and politics. Jesus Christ was not a Republican or a Democrat.
People are losing the sense of awe and mystery if they start to think Jesus would be a Republican. It is ridiculous. Also, one should be aware of the fact that the United States is not a theocracy.
The United States is a democracy. In a democracy with time and change over time, social attitudes also change. Various beliefs and customs were present in Christianity in the year 1200, 1600, 1800 and 2019.

Both of these lists are to some point extreme whether liberal or conservative if we want to talk politics. Moderate and more understanding social attitudes and compromise on both sides is always the best in politics and society.

It is not exclusively about politics. The very title of the thread says otherwise. "Can you be both Liberal and a Christian".

Compromise is not possible in our divided nation today. That which divides us is too great.

Perhaps a better title of this thread would be, "Should you be a Liberal if you are a Christian". Which would be a resounding 'no' of course. I believe that if one claims to be a Liberal and Christian, he is being dishonest to one of those. Let him decide which one.

Quantrill

 

[Born Again 2004]

The thread can only
stand as originally written : Can you be Liberal and a Cjridtian
What defines you as a Liberal ?...Does being Liberal mean you support things like same sex marriage or abortion, If the answer is yes.. ..you do not have Christ living inside you and you are not Christian, that would be an oxymoron!

 

[Sue D.]

First, this is exclusively about politics. I am a Trump supporter, but I do not agree on this. Faith is a private matter. Also, there are many interpretations of the Bible. Talk to various Jewish rabbis and you'll get many different interpretations of Torah which are completely different from Christian interpretations. One should not equal faith and politics. Jesus Christ was not a Republican or a Democrat.
People are losing the sense of awe and mystery if they start to think Jesus would be a Republican. It is ridiculous. Also, one should be aware of the fact that the United States is not a theocracy.
The United States is a democracy. In a democracy with time and change over time, social attitudes also change. Various beliefs and customs were present in Christianity in the year 1200, 1600, 1800 and 2019.

Both of these lists are to some point extreme whether liberal or conservative if we want to talk politics. Moderate and more understanding social attitudes and compromise on both sides is always the best in politics and society.

This world is a combination of politics and religious beliefs. A Christian supposedly supports Biblical views or why call themselves 'christian'. Politics is for Changing Bible -- doing away With Bible as to supposedly enhance the way we live. Well -- it hasn't enhanced life at all. Seems that the more we ignore Bible, the Worse we act.

Jesus Was neither Democrat nor Republican -- He was the Son of God. "Render to Caesar what is Caesars". He chased the money changers out of the Temple of Worship. He was here to show us the Father.

WE Need to be looking to God for wisdom in voting. We are to respect those in authority over us. Doesn't mean we necessarily Agree with them. But being Respectful Is needed.

There Is the Word of God / Bible and there are many other belief systems in the world. And as much as God's Word / Christianity is trying to be squashed // Christians Need to be taking a positive stand For God's Word.
Biblical morality is being laughed at -- Ignored. WE need to stand up For it. Biblical marriage is one man and one woman Period. Abortion is killing innocent babies. And, yes, life Does begin at conception. I've given birth to 4 babies. We Know life has begun with that first heart beat and kick. Both male and female's of all ages need to act like responsible people. The absolutely fool- proof way of Not bringing a baby into this world. Abstain from sex.

And Bible is Bible -- it's God's Word. There Are the KJV, NKJV, the older NIV, NAS -- but it's all God's Word.

 

[markus]

Some things are possible in politics, others are not. Extreme liberal or extreme conservative - such sharp divisions are hurtful to any society. There always has to be middle ground. Fortunately President Trump is wise enough to unite the country.

 

[Quantrill]

Some things are possible in politics, others are not. Extreme liberal or extreme conservative - such sharp divisions are hurtful to any society. There always has to be middle ground. Fortunately President Trump is wise enough to unite the country.

Trump is not uniting the Country. His presence manifests the impossibility of uniting the Country. The divisions are too stark, there is no middle ground.

Quantrill