Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[B-A-C]

Very broadly, I see the conservative pro life position to mirror the values in the Bible. On issues such as welfare, environment, immigration, defence, the liberal positions seem to be closer to the Biblical values.

I tend to agree with some of this. Specifically self-defence is supported in the Bible, in dozens of places. Immigration is taught against in dozens of places.

It strikes me as odd that Christian debate tends to focus on abortion and lgbt+ issues to the almost total exclusion of the other issues.

.. but yet this is the main platform of the liberal agenda. You can't separate them. You mention pro-life in the first sentence... but then abortion in the second.
You can't have it both ways.

 

[hopefulson]

Some observations on political parties and the passage of time. I am a registered Democrat here in the US from the state of Connecticut. When I became of age to vote the idea of liberal was supporting an agenda where equality, eye to eye equality, for all was the battle cry. The positive aspect of equal worth for all people throughout society then was promoted and fought over. That very Christian position has been fully supplanted in these modern times with a new strange political correctness called identity politics. This is advocated by individuals that refuse equality in reference to themselves. No one is their equal. They would never look to those that they differ with as equal to themselves. They focus on, fuel and stoke the differences between others and use them rather than strive for equality to heal them. There is a big difference between the current approach to equality and the courageous, principled, and elegant leadership exhibited by Dr. Martian Luther King Jr. Once again the issue is positional. There is nothing greater than the current liberal leadership in their own eyes. To define that in street terms they are (Godless - Lawless) with nothing above them. These are dangerous times for true Christians.

 

[Blake H]

When Bernie Sanders got up on stage and said Christians are bigots that told me all I need to know about the Democratic Party.

 

[Hekuran]

When Bernie Sanders got up on stage and said Christians are bigots that told me all I need to know about the Democratic Party.

Is this the event you had in mind?

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Bernie Sanders is doubling down on his condemnation of Christians holding public office as “hateful.” According to reports from within the U.S. Senate, the Senator from Vermont proposed a bill Friday that would force Christians holding any kind of public office to wear a visible scarlet cross on their clothing at all times, in order to clearly identify themselves as hateful bigots.
Dubbed the Hateful Bigot Identification Act, the bill would require anyone believing in salvation through Christ alone to wear the cross, in order that co-workers and citizens could immediately identify and disregard the opinions of the disgusting, backwards, religious public servants.

 

[hopefulson]

This can't be true. Nobody is that crazy not even Bernie.

 

[Blake H]

Is this the event you had in mind?

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Bernie Sanders is doubling down on his condemnation of Christians holding public office as “hateful.” According to reports from within the U.S. Senate, the Senator from Vermont proposed a bill Friday that would force Christians holding any kind of public office to wear a visible scarlet cross on their clothing at all times, in order to clearly identify themselves as hateful bigots.
Dubbed the Hateful Bigot Identification Act, the bill would require anyone believing in salvation through Christ alone to wear the cross, in order that co-workers and citizens could immediately identify and disregard the opinions of the disgusting, backwards, religious public servants.

I haven't heard of that.

This is the event I was referring to where Bernie Sanders attacked President Donald Trump who is Christian for his religious beliefs, and thinks that Christians are bigots.

Bernie Sanders: Trump Is Racist, Sexist, Xenophobe, Homophobe, Bigot

Also his animus for Christians showed up once again in a Senate hearing for confirmation of Russell Vought President Trump’s nominee for deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget.

Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Think Christians Are Fit For Public Office

 

[Hekuran]

I haven't heard of that.

This is the event I was referring to where Bernie Sanders attacked President Donald Trump who is Christian for his religious beliefs, and thinks that Christians are bigots.

Bernie Sanders: Trump Is Racist, Sexist, Xenophobe, Homophobe, Bigot

Also his animus for Christians showed up once again in a Senate hearing for confirmation of Russell Vought President Trump’s nominee for deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget.

Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Think Christians Are Fit For Public Office

Bernie Sanders never called Christians bigots did he? That's a highly spun opinion piece you've quoted. The actual fact - transcript - is here.


Sanders: You wrote, “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned.” Do you believe that that statement is Islamophobic?

Vought: Absolutely not, Senator. I’m a Christian, and I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith. That post, as I stated in the questionnaire to this committee, was to defend my alma mater, Wheaton College, a Christian school that has a statement of faith that includes the centrality of Jesus Christ for salvation, and —

Sanders: I apologize. Forgive me, we just don’t have a lot of time. Do you believe people in the Muslim religion stand condemned? Is that your view?

Vought: Again, Senator, I’m a Christian, and I wrote that piece in accordance with the statement of faith at Wheaton College.

Sanders: I understand that. I don’t know how many Muslims there are in America. Maybe a couple million. Are you suggesting that all those people stand condemned? What about Jews? Do they stand condemned too?

Vought: Senator, I’m a Christian —

Sanders (shouting): I understand you are a Christian, but this country are made of people who are not just — I understand that Christianity is the majority religion, but there are other people of different religions in this country and around the world. In your judgment, do you think that people who are not Christians are going to be condemned?

Vought: Thank you for probing on that question. As a Christian, I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals.

Sanders: You think your statement that you put into that publication, they do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned, do you think that’s respectful of other religions?

Vought: Senator, I wrote a post based on being a Christian and attending a Christian school that has a statement of faith that speaks clearly in regard to the centrality of Jesus Christ in salvation.

Sanders: I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is really not someone who this country is supposed to be about. I will vote no.

 

[Brad Huber]

The original post covers a huge range of areas of debate ... taxation, medical ethics, identity, immigration, law enforcement, energy, climate change.

It strikes me as odd that Christian debate tends to focus on abortion and lgbt+ issues to the almost total exclusion of the other issues.

Very broadly, I see the conservative pro life position to mirror the values in the Bible. On issues such as welfare, environment, immigration, defence, the liberal positions seem to be closer to the Biblical values.

In biblical times, it was encouraged for personally helping those in need, in liberal ideology, you just give taxes to the govt and relieve yourself of the responsibility of helping people personally, proudly proclaiming, "I paid my taxes, go to the govt for help.". Whereas the govt takes in LOTS and LOTS of taxes, always wanting more, and the corruptness of the politicians do the least little possible to truly help people, but purposely give them the bare minimum, but through additional laws, dont discourage laziness, and encourage a class of people dependent on the govt, so giving the govt more power over them.

 

[Blake H]

Bernie Sanders never called Christians bigots did he? That's a highly spun opinion piece you've quoted. The actual fact - transcript - is here.

I think you'll want to check out the first link for that comment.

 

[Hekuran]

I think you'll want to check out the first link for that comment.

I checked the link before I posted. He said that Donald Trump is a religious bigot, not that Christian's are bigots.

And Breitbart as a news source?

 

[Hekuran]

In biblical times, it was encouraged for personally helping those in need, in liberal ideology, you just give taxes to the govt and relieve yourself of the responsibility of helping people personally, proudly proclaiming, "I paid my taxes, go to the govt for help.". Whereas the govt takes in LOTS and LOTS of taxes, always wanting more, and the corruptness of the politicians do the least little possible to truly help people, but purposely give them the bare minimum, but through additional laws, dont discourage laziness, and encourage a class of people dependent on the govt, so giving the govt more power over them.

That's not a good description of liberal welfare

 

[Blake H]

I checked the link before I posted. He said that Donald Trump is a religious bigot, not that Christian's are bigots.

And Breitbart as a news source?

And Bernie Sanders knows that he's a Christian since he's very outspoken about his faith. It seems like splitting hairs honestly. If he thinks that he's a religious bigot then he thinks all Christians are homophobic bigots otherwise he wouldn't have said such a thing. Very soon there will be a time when the bible and the name of Jesus will be considered offensive by the left.

Matthew 10:22 (MEV) "You will be hated by all men for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved."

I think Breitbart it stays on point, it gets a bad rap but I believe it's unwarranted. I go to other news sources but Breitbart is one of my main ones. It's pro-church and some of the editorial team is Christian so that's a plus.

 

[Brad Huber]

That's not a good description of liberal welfare

You are welcome to call a rat a puppy or a kitty, if it makes you feel better, but that doesnt change the facts played out regularly all over OUR country. I cannot speak to your country and its differences.

 

[Hekuran]

You are welcome to call a rat a puppy or a kitty, if it makes you feel better, but that doesnt change the facts played out regularly all over OUR country. I cannot speak to your country and its differences.

In the UK the majority of children in poverty are in working households. It's not laziness that's keeping people in poverty, but poor wages, rising cost of living and inadequate welfare benefits.

People who are disabled or too sick to work are left in unacceptable poverty.

A good welfare system does not let anyone off the hook in being generous in giving from their own income.

 

[Blake H]

High taxes are also a problem.

 

[Brad Huber]

In the UK the majority of children in poverty are in working households. It's not laziness that's keeping people in poverty, but poor wages, rising cost of living and inadequate welfare benefits.

People who are disabled or too sick to work are left in unacceptable poverty.

A good welfare system does not let anyone off the hook in being generous in giving from their own income.

I am all for helping those disabled or too sick to work. Yet there are many here who have gotten very good at getting a lot of govt assistance when they dont really need it. On a regular basis, I see illegal aliens that are using govt issued debit cards to buy food, and when come to items that cant be paid for with the govt food assistance cards, like cigarettes or alcohol, they pull out a large wad of cash, mostly $100 dollar bills. They dont pay taxes on any money they earn, other than sales tax, but get free medical care, free food assistance, and much more. Typically, the only thing they have less of than natives, would be good housing. They tend to live in group homes, with several families. But I guess it takes time to save up all that cash to buy a house outright with cash. This idea that they should live with much more assitance than the POOR natives that work hard to just get by on, is ridiculous. A native at work had his food assistance taken from him when he was the only one working in a family of 6, because he was making too much money. He works at walmart with me, and none of us there make even $30k a year. If you check the national avg, you will see the ridiculousness of the situation.

 

[readytogrow]

The original post covers a huge range of areas of debate ... taxation, medical ethics, identity, immigration, law enforcement, energy, climate change.

It strikes me as odd that Christian debate tends to focus on abortion and lgbt+ issues to the almost total exclusion of the other issues.

Very broadly, I see the conservative pro life position to mirror the values in the Bible. On issues such as welfare, environment, immigration, defense, the liberal positions seem to be closer to the Biblical values.

They simply choose to ignore this.

And if they were smart they would realize that these issues have direct causation with abortion and lgbt rights.

Women who are oppressed and living in poverty are more likely to get an abortion
Women get less abortions under democratic presidents, because the economy is better under them.

 

[readytogrow]

Trump a christian

"I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don't do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad."

 

[Blake H]

Trump a christian

"I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don't do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad."

Yes he's a born again Christian and pastor Paula White prayed with him and he gave his heart to the Lord and got saved, and he stands up for the church and is a champion for Christian rights.

 

[hopefulson]

I try to leave the defining to God the author of The Truth. My useful part is mercy.