Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[Sue D.]

Trump is Trying to do what this country Needs to be having done. Draining a swamp. A swamp is by nature full of green slim and junk / stagnant water. It can be a stinky job to drain it. The Democrats are making it pretty much impossible To unite America, God is still alive and represented by born-again believers -- so He is still here and providing 'light' in a dark world. There is Always middle ground. Sometimes hard to find, but it's always there.

There are no doubt a lot of people who voted Trump In to keep Clinton Out. He's fighting an uphill battle cause he's doing what the Democrats don't want.

 

[Brad Huber]

First, this is exclusively about politics. I am a Trump supporter, but I do not agree on this. Faith is a private matter. Also, there are many interpretations of the Bible. Talk to various Jewish rabbis and you'll get many different interpretations of Torah which are completely different from Christian interpretations. One should not equal faith and politics. Jesus Christ was not a Republican or a Democrat.
People are losing the sense of awe and mystery if they start to think Jesus would be a Republican. It is ridiculous. Also, one should be aware of the fact that the United States is not a theocracy.
The United States is a democracy. In a democracy with time and change over time, social attitudes also change. Various beliefs and customs were present in Christianity in the year 1200, 1600, 1800 and 2019.

Both of these lists are to some point extreme whether liberal or conservative if we want to talk politics. Moderate and more understanding social attitudes and compromise on both sides is always the best in politics and society.

The United States in NOT a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. Democracy is if a majority wants to kill you and take your property, they can legally. Whereas in a constitutional republic, you have rights as the little guy. In a pure democracy, about 5% of the land population (those in more populous cities) would be telling the rest of the nation what to do in everything.

 

[saginon]

FYI (to everyone) for clarity, I myself am no way a liberal in any sense. I consider myself a conservative. I think the liberal views (politically at least) are evil for the most part, easily.

I would agree. Nearly everything about liberalism is evil. Today it's OK for a drag queen to read children's books the 5-7 year old's at the library. They take prayer and the Ten Commandments out of Schools, tried to take a historic bible out of the VA Hospital. The promote homosexuality and expect all of us to cave into their dictates. They don't care if the immigrants coming in are criminals or tax the welfare system etc. because they know they likely vote Democrat. Quite honestly, I'm at the end of my rope with liberals. By no means do they espouse Christian principles.

 

[Sid2019]

We live in a society where homosexuals lecture us on morals, transvestites lecture us on human biology, baby killers lecture us on human rights, and socialists lecture us on economics.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[newname]

I was too lazy to read all the differences, but I have more liberal than conservative ideas. What I find so weird is that in America you have to be this or that. Republican is christian. Liberal is evil. Liberals have a lot of good points and republicans a lot of bad points. I'd vote for neither. Luckily I don't have to because the christian Dutch party is in the middle. No death penalty. No same sex marriage. No abortion. They just take the good points of both. Then when I say some liberal stuff to an American Trump supporter evangelical christian, like: wow that police officer tasing that woman for just having a big mouth and a failing car light, he's like: don't listen to these leftish libtards! He doesnt even talk to me anymore. He was furious. How dare I call this God and the country serving brave police officer an ego tripper? Well he was just abusing his power. Send her thing home if she refuses to sign. I said: Can't you be just normal? Now I'm not a friend anymore. It was so weird. He asked the ppl in his church and they were all like: this police officer did a fabulous job. Weird. As if they worship the system. What's christian about tasering a 65 y o woman who isn't a danger?? They mixed politics and christianity. What's christian about the death sentence? That one mass murderer got saved in prison. Jesus didn't stone the woman. I do admit that the Netherlands is bad too. Liberal, total opposite, rape someone and get a year in a luxury room. Then get out and go rape the next. They should just have a christian party, not left or right.
And immigration: yes sure kick Isis members out, but what about being kind to the stranger who comes to your country? Hospitality. Just gets skipped what Jesus says. Doesn't matter. Trump knows better. They don't want em here either. No watch out that we don't get less money. Yet churches who reach out to these people see a lot of converts. They prayed for some who could stay. One guy in my church. Poor boy. They wanted to kick him out to some dangerous place. That's not christian. That was an evil unbeliever who wanted to kick him out.
The liberal stuff in my country like taking care of the poor comes from christian roots. The church used to do that and then they made it politics.
Aunt of my ex lived in America. That was before Obama and his health care. She was not rich. She screamed through the whole hospital from pain when she died from cancer. They refused to give her morphine cause she couldn't pay. And then they say: Obama's healthcare system is bad and from the liberals. Well better than before that if you ask me.

 

[Marie_Ellia]

I go for Conservative

 

[Curtis]

Conservative.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I consider myself Conservative. I suppose some Liberals are Christian but not those who support killing babies, for example. Those who believe in the Bible and live trying to follow it, are not Liberal!

 

[Born Again 2004]

We live in a society where homosexuals lecture us on morals, transvestites lecture us on human biology, baby killers lecture us on human rights, and socialists lecture us on economics.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Sounds like Nancy Pelosi to me!

 

[Blake H]

No, liberalism has no place in Christianity. The bible says not to murder but the left is brainwashing people to believe that the fetus is some lifeless lump of matter which is a lie of the devil, the baby's life begins at conception according to scripture. Jeremiah 1:5 (MEV) "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; and before you were born I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations."
And the bible clearly says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (MEV) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals."

 

[readytogrow]

We're not going to agree on this Sue, the base line for myself is that if someones in need, regardless of how they came to that position, my faith requires me out of Love and Compassion to help, Christs "Sermon on the Mount" i see as a blueprint for our Christian Lives, and Matthew 25 vs 31-45, "The Sheep and the Goats" as a representation of the "day of Judgement", and where Mans Laws and Societies Conventions conflict with my faith, then my faith should take precedent, it doesn't always as my sinful nature and fear of the consequences sometimes hold sway, but i try, and i guess thats the best any of us can do, perhaps to finish with one of my favourite verses from the Bible, short, but goes to what i consider the Heart of our Faith, 1 John 3.17 "If anyone has this world's goods and sees his brother in need but shuts off his compassion from him-how can God's love reside in him? ".

Lord why have you forsaken me.


You didnt feed my sheep,

I did lord, I fed the white sheep.


You didnt feed those sheep over there.


Well lord those sheep came here illegal, they broke the law. I dont have to feed them.


I never knew you


Basically what is being said here.


Vomit inducing

 

[readytogrow]

[/QUOTE]


Not the emphasis, what Bible do you read?

Hi Sue, where to begin, for we both profess to follow Christ yet are at opposite poles when it comes to putting our faith into action, however others see themselves or whatever others do or don't do for me the position as a Christian is crystal clear, Love others as you love yourself and treat others as you would want to be treated, as i've said it doesn't matter whether someone lives next door or 10,000 miles away, if they're in need and i can help , then i am commanded by Christ, out of love and compassion, so to do, and where Mans Laws conflict with Christs Commandments, then i should follow Christs teachings, even if it means breaking the law, for example, a Pastor in one of the Border States is currently facing prosecution because he put food and drink out in the desert for immigrants trying to cross in to the US in a place where hundreds have died whilst attempting the the perilous passage, hes feeding the hungry and giving drink to the thirsty yet hes breaking the law, its a criminal offence to do what hes doing, whose side do you think Christ would be on, and as for the US being "blessed", the Devil offered Christ ALL the kingdoms of this world, for they were his to give, and i would suggest you look into the history of the uS, especially in its dealings with the countries of Central and South America as much of this discussion has focused on immigration from those countries, and you might get a different perspective, in Guatemala alone nearly a quarter of a million people were killed, most by the army and security forces, backed by the US in its war on what it saw as the spread of Communism, many were indigenous people killed under the dictatorship of Rios Montt, an army general who conducted a campaign of murder and destruction that the UN described as Genocide and a man who President Reagan described as having" great moral integrity", and the world is littered with such examples as the US sought to maintain and expand its position of economic and Military supremecy...... and you're right, this world will never be perfect, far from it, but we are called on , whilst recognising our own inherently sinful nature, to alleviate the suffering wherever and whenever we can, when Christ said we should take up our Cross and follow him, this to me means that as a Christian my life will be one of Suffering and sacrifice in the service of the poor and oppressed of Gods World.

Man what a blessing to read your post

Kind eloquent. Showing Gods true loving nature.

We are to die for one another period.


Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone.

John 15:12-13 “My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”


That is how much God wants us to love each other.

I have to die for you. I have to put others ABOVE myself


Yet people have convinced themselves that The God who called us to die for one another cares about borders, citizenship "within their group"


Here a people who had no father, orphans!!!

have the audacity to call someone illegal


My God!!

 

[readytogrow]

This “dichotomy” is patently nonsensical. It only seems coherent to someone who is of this era, and of this country. The Christian principles of forsaking materialist values and cherishing forgiveness above all else coincidentally happen to align with contemporary American “liberal” politics. Just as the Christian virtues of chastity, restraint, modesty and honoring social and spiritual hierarchies coincidentally align with contemporary American “conservative” politics.

As for fine grain “issues” such as abortion and gay marriage, I’ll simply observe that partisans on both extremes of the American political spectrum hitch scripture to their pre-determined side of such arguments and become expert at arguing that perspective. Which I find a shabby and petty abuse of the covenant offered and affirmed in the crucifixion. I’ll accept there are plenty of conservative evangelical Christians at large today. But, by the same token, I dare anyone to claim with a straight face Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was either not a Christian, not a liberal, or simultaneously neither.

This is the answer

 

[readytogrow]

I was too lazy to read all the differences, but I have more liberal than conservative ideas. What I find so weird is that in America you have to be this or that. Republican is christian. Liberal is evil. Liberals have a lot of good points and republicans a lot of bad points. I'd vote for neither. Luckily I don't have to because the christian Dutch party is in the middle. No death penalty. No same sex marriage. No abortion. They just take the good points of both. Then when I say some liberal stuff to an American Trump supporter evangelical christian, like: wow that police officer tasing that woman for just having a big mouth and a failing car light, he's like: don't listen to these leftish libtards! He doesnt even talk to me anymore. He was furious. How dare I call this God and the country serving brave police officer an ego tripper? Well he was just abusing his power. Send her thing home if she refuses to sign. I said: Can't you be just normal? Now I'm not a friend anymore. It was so weird. He asked the ppl in his church and they were all like: this police officer did a fabulous job. Weird. As if they worship the system. What's christian about tasering a 65 y o woman who isn't a danger?? They mixed politics and christianity. What's christian about the death sentence? That one mass murderer got saved in prison. Jesus didn't stone the woman. I do admit that the Netherlands is bad too. Liberal, total opposite, rape someone and get a year in a luxury room. Then get out and go rape the next. They should just have a christian party, not left or right.
And immigration: yes sure kick Isis members out, but what about being kind to the stranger who comes to your country? Hospitality. Just gets skipped what Jesus says. Doesn't matter. Trump knows better. They don't want em here either. No watch out that we don't get less money. Yet churches who reach out to these people see a lot of converts. They prayed for some who could stay. One guy in my church. Poor boy. They wanted to kick him out to some dangerous place. That's not christian. That was an evil unbeliever who wanted to kick him out.
The liberal stuff in my country like taking care of the poor comes from christian roots. The church used to do that and then they made it politics.
Aunt of my ex lived in America. That was before Obama and his health care. She was not rich. She screamed through the whole hospital from pain when she died from cancer. They refused to give her morphine cause she couldn't pay. And then they say: Obama's healthcare system is bad and from the liberals. Well better than before that if you ask me.

"What's christian about tasering a 65 y o woman who isn't a danger??"


I laughed so hard when I read this


A lot of conservative views are rooted in white supremacy. Police force

The way police officers are revered even when they might be in the wrong is straight idol worship. smh

 

[Kirby D. P.]

I go for Conservative

That isn't an answer to the question at hand.

 

[Bill]

I consider myself Conservative. I suppose some Liberals are Christian but not those who support killing babies, for example. Those who believe in the Bible and live trying to follow it, are not Liberal!

I remember years ago when i was a child . How my parents only voted Democrate because only they supported women having children . That Democrats did not believe in abortion . My how parties have changed . Now my mom only votes Rep. Because only they support babies and not abortion .

Other than that . And a few minor areas . It is really hard to tell them apart . I. E. Who voted on the Iran bill . Both parties . Which party did not want Donald Trump to run for Presedent . Both . Which party still doesnt want Presedent Trump in office . Both . ( there are a few republicans who speak out for the President . ) the vast majority Dont really want Pres. Trump there. The Only reason they are not openly outspoken against him. They know they will be voted out . The people of the USA will reelect Pres Trump in a landslide . And thank you Dems for the charade of impeachment . Because the house will become 2/3 majority conservatives as well .

 

[Chad]

This post I made is nearly one year old. I’m wondering what the responses would be now a year later in the currently political climate.

 

[B-A-C]

Interestingly - somehow, many "Christians" think they doing God a favor by supporting homosexuals, abortions, transgenders, and false teachings.
The Bible does prophecy about this.

John 16:2; "They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God.

I think many liberals are genuinely deceived from the heart.

 

[Blake H]

Interestingly - somehow, many "Christians" think they doing God a favor by supporting homosexuals, abortions, transgenders, and false teachings.
The Bible does prophecy about this.

John 16:2; "They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God.

I think many liberals are genuinely deceived from the heart.

They are in contradiction to the bible as God considers those things sin.

 

[Hekuran]

The original post covers a huge range of areas of debate ... taxation, medical ethics, identity, immigration, law enforcement, energy, climate change.

It strikes me as odd that Christian debate tends to focus on abortion and lgbt+ issues to the almost total exclusion of the other issues.

Very broadly, I see the conservative pro life position to mirror the values in the Bible. On issues such as welfare, environment, immigration, defence, the liberal positions seem to be closer to the Biblical values.