Conspiracy Theorists

[Dave M]

To refuse vaccination is foolish and risks your health unnecessarily.

How many people do you know who have suffered health-wise by taking the shot??

I know many people that it has affected in a negative way. It would be foolish for me to risk my health by taking the shot,, after all the people who I have seen with my own eyes have health issues after taking the shot. I was with someone last night at bible study who once was healthy, but now after taking the shot has a heart issue, and he won't be taking any more shots, he is 100% convinced it was the shot.

I am very glad it has not affected you like this. But I know of far too many it has affected in a negative way to risk my health taking it.

 

[B-A-C]

I know many people that it has affected in a negative way.

Me also. In fact I know no who died from covid while unvaccinated. I know 2 who died less than 3 months after being vaccinated. (admittedly they were up in years).

But lets say the vaccination really was a great thing. Lets say there were no side effects at all. Would I take it? No.

Covid in Sydney: Military deployed to help enforce lockdown

Authorities say the deployment is needed, but critics argue it will "pick on" marginalised groups.

www.bbc.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/23/world/australia/covid-lockdowns-freedom.html

Australian Troops Will Help Enforce A Coronavirus Lockdown In Sydney

About 300 unarmed soldiers are joining local police in the city of 6 million to enforce coronavirus restrictions as authorities try to quell a new outbreak linked to the delta variant.

www.npr.org

Australian soldiers to help with virus checks as PM sets plan to freedom

Australian soldiers will help to enforce coronavirus isolation orders in the hard-hit city of Sydney, police said on Friday, as resentment seethed in some communities over new curbs to stem the highly contagious Delta variant.

www.reuters.com

You can call all this conspiracy if you want, but as soon as the government tells me I "have" to do something to my body or else I lose all my freedoms... guess what, you've already lost your freedom.

 

[Christina2000]

I am very sorry some people have had adverse reactions to the covid vaccines. But I do believe the vast majority have not. Therefore on balance, I think it is safe and I am taking that risk.

It is worth taking into account that millions have died of covid, that cannot be denied. It is a potential killer. Otherwise no government would have felt obliged to react by enforcing precautionary measures and science would not have gone to the trouble of creating vaccines.

 

[B-A-C]

Otherwise no government would have felt obliged to react by enforcing precautionary measures and science would not have gone to the trouble of creating vaccines.

Here in the US most believe that corporations run the government. The interest of the people is a very low priority. The interest of money in their pockets is a high priority.

The insurance companies own the government here. No not literally, but guess who is financing the biggest part of the American government debt?
Guess who is the biggest gerrymandering lobbyist organization? Guess who does the majority of candidate funding here in the US?

I've been old enough to vote for over 40 years. I've voted in 10 presidential elections. We used to vote on issues. Now the government in the US referendum everything.
Nothing is voted on. The politicians just make policies and laws without consulting anything but the insurance companies. (big Tech also).

4 Coronavirus Vaccine Stocks the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Is Betting On | The Motley Fool

Are any of these stocks good bets for other investors?

www.fool.com

The money used to be in computers and cell phones. Now the money is in insurance and drug companies.
If you think money doesn't drive government policy here... well...

How Bill Gates and partners used their clout to control the global Covid response — with little oversight

Four health organizations, working closely together, spent almost $10 billion on responding to Covid across the world. But they lacked the scrutiny of governments, and fell short of their own goals, a POLITICO and WELT investigation found.

www.politico.com

 

[B-A-C]

Lets pour a little more gas on the fire here.

Blackrock: The financial leviathan that bears down on Europe’s decisions

BlackRock is the world’s most powerful financial institution, managing over $6 trillion in assets. As both an adviser to central banks and the largest shareholder in the industrial jewels of a nation, BlackRock has begun whispering in the ears of European states. Its key challenges: to...

www.investigate-europe.eu

BlackRock is the Biggest Company You've Never Heard of - Innovation & Tech Today

BlackRock Inc. is the biggest company you’ve probably never heard of. BlackRock was formed by founder and CEO Larry Fink in 1988 in New York City as

innotechtoday.com

Cotton Demands Answers from BlackRock About Involvement with Climate Action 100+, Potential Antitrust Violations | U.S. Senator Cotton of Arkansas

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEContact: James Arnold or Mary Collins Atkinson (202) 224-2353July 14,...

www.cotton.senate.gov

 

[MedicBravo]

Dearest Brother,
If the one you have spoken to over how many postings has not accepted the truth you have presented by now, why continue to butt you head against the wall expecting anything but the rejection you have thus far received? You know what they say about crazy right? It's doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. I have no issue generally speaking with what you have presented here and in other threads. However, sincerity of purpose doesn't make one side any better than the other.

Many of those you speak of above, are not the ones who are reading your postings here on Talk Jesus, nor are the ones who do read them here appear to be moved from the positions they held before reading them. In many respects that is a sad commentary in the intractability of humanity in these days to change from a position they believe is right or they might be more informed than you give them credit for. Is this less different in presenting/sharing of the Gospel that most assuredly will change them to what God wants them to be, which is for the better. (Heavy sigh)

That is why I don't begrudge you in presenting your case here. While others would shut you down in a heartbeat, in the belief that they are doing good and honorable work by doing so!
We are living in a corrupted world, with self-serving people in positions of power, though I'm sure there are a few who are not either of those two things, but they are rarely evident, or I should say seen in/by an also corrupted media.

As far prayer going only so far. Well, hopefully they are going exactly to where they need to go. Our FF knew that, and it was known that GW would prayer every night for an hour. Now a days, you won't find folks praying for more than a minute or two once a week if that!!! So, if our prayers are ineffectual, I won't not attribute it to the failings in any way shape or form to our Heavenly Father, but to the people themselves. Who in many cases are not seeking His Will but their own desires or should I say wishes.

So, share what you feel moved to share on this subject, but don't expect much change. Hopefully, like presenting the Gospel, that you are able to plant a seed that will grow, and grow, and grow, until it blossoms into ripe and wonderous fruit of wisdom, knowledge, understanding, by God's grace.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I haven't been a Christian until around Fall 2011. Over time and by God and study I have learned well in many things in this. I have not "but your head against the wall" in any fashion. Should we give up at the first or tenth attempt? If we can learn to truly care for each other, even someone in another country, then we don't stop at 10 or even 100. As God opened the eyes of countless in our history as they repented, he also did the same with regards to deceit yet any were still blind were they not?
I agree. Many people STILL (Baa Baa Baa) on what these people and groups say b/c they are their gods. Fauci-ism is the newest religion.
Correction: Their opinion they are "shutting me down" is just that. An opinion. If I were making bad claims with very little evidence then yes, but as proven every time it comes from people who know more than me. People who are stating the truth and then proof those people and groups lied or altered something.
I have new info and am watching a video from Dr. John and he has linked evidence.
I'm not posting these things and then waiting to get into it with someone. The information is there and when people call it "misinformation" and they think they know better is the definition of absurdity.
As for calling me "paranoid", "foil hat wearer" etc., it's entertaining. Name-calling is the lowest form of arguing and it's what children do.
Lastly, something is wrong when countless people in Medicine have been telling the truth for many months and people refuse to even look at it.

 

[Christina2000]

What will you do if you get really seriously sick with covid and are not vaccinated?
Would you want the hospital to save your life or would you refuse to the death?

It is a question to ask yourself. For all your arguments, when hit by awful debilitating and frightening symptoms, nothing else will matter. Face it, you do not have natural immunity, nobody does. Which is why all the fuss.

 

[B-A-C]

Would you want the hospital to save your life or would you refuse to the death?

Nearly 1 in 5 Health Care Workers Have Quit Their Jobs During the Pandemic

U.S. hospitals are filled with COVID-19 patients as the delta variant continues to ravage the country. Yet a year and a half into the pandemic, many health care providers are facing severe staffing shortages, and a new Morning Consult survey suggests more could be on the horizon.

morningconsult.com

Battle over vaccine mandates continues as workers suspended/face termination

Mandated vaccines trigger layoffs, protests, and lawsuits. Cowlitz County Commission supports workers rights.

www.clarkcountytoday.com

Here in my town, about 20% of nurses and doctors quit, rather than take the vaccine.
One of the articles says they quit due to burnout. But every medical worker I talked to said that wasn't the reason.
The news then twists this around to say hospitals are overwhelmed due to the pandemic. No, they are overwhelmed because their staff is being fired.

Nearly 1,900 Washington state workers quit or are fired over COVID vaccine mandate

About 3% of the Washington state employees who were told to get vaccinated or lose their jobs picked being unemployed, according to various state agencies. Another 3% were granted accommodations that allowed them to work without being vaccinated.

www.seattletimes.com

The local military bases setup pandemic emergency field hospitals at our large sporting event venues.
Not very many showed up to these. In fact the government closed these down about 3 days after being setup.

Washington State's Military Department Responds to COVID-19 Pandemic

Employees of the Washington Military Department have been at the center of the COVID-19 response since the beginning, helping the state's health department with pandemic planning before the virus was

www.defense.gov

Why would they do that if this was really a serious pandemic?
If many medical workers don't trust the vaccine, why should I. My personal physician hasn't gotten it, and he recommends that I don't.

 

[Christ4Ever]

What will you do if you get really seriously sick with covid and are not vaccinated?
Would you want the hospital to save your life or would you refuse to the death?

It is a question to ask yourself. For all your arguments, when hit by awful debilitating and frightening symptoms, nothing else will matter. Face it, you do not have natural immunity, nobody does. Which is why all the fuss.

Dear Sister,
No, the real question is, that regardless of the circumstances, are you ready to go Home to be with the Lord?

Unless you believe that if God has work for you to do, that He can keep you here no matter what, or if your work is done, that He'll be calling you Home, and nothing that man does or does not do, will keep either one from happening. Then you truly don't know the God you serve!

I know that debilitating/frightening symptoms are about. For the last 4 years I took care of my wife, as a neurological disease attacked her slowly taking away her motor skills functions from her body one at a time. From walking, to speech, etc., they each went away, as we waited for the Lord to call her home! She could have made the decision to take a shot to end it, and she even contemplated having me leave her (which I won't do) to go live the life she believed I should be living. So, after her going home the end of this July, I don't suddenly change in my belief because now it could be me! No, if you truly believe God is in control, then no matter which choice you make as it pertains to this vaccine, it shouldn't make a difference to you as a believer in Christ Jesus!

Yet, for you it seems to make a difference! Why is that? Who is the ultimate purveyor of truth to you? Is it man or God? Who do you rely on for your life? Man, or God?
I am not blind to the realities or ways one could wind up dying or living for that matter! Yet ultimately, it's not mine to make, except in seeking His Mercy and Grace.

As I've said before God bless you that you haven't caught COVID or have had any adverse effects or any other debilitating disease, accident or what have you. Can't you show the love of God to others, who don't see it your way? By your words you have shared here, apparently not! And for that I sorrow for you and pray for you as well. That as Paul has said, and I hope you understand these verses:

For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what [is] the width and length and depth and height-- to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen. Ephesians 3:14-21 NKJV

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Christina2000]

Dear Sister,
No, the real question is, that regardless of the circumstances, are you ready to go Home to be with the Lord?

Unless you believe that if God has work for you to do, that He can keep you here no matter what, or if your work is done, that He'll be calling you Home, and nothing that man does or does not do, will keep either one from happening. Then you truly don't know the God you serve!

I know that debilitating/frightening symptoms are about. For the last 4 years I took care of my wife, as a neurological disease attacked her slowly taking away her motor skills functions from her body one at a time. From walking, to speech, etc., they each went away, as we waited for the Lord to call her home! She could have made the decision to take a shot to end it, and she even contemplated having me leave her (which I won't do) to go live the life she believed I should be living. So, after her going home the end of this July, I don't suddenly change in my belief because now it could be me! No, if you truly believe God is in control, then no matter which choice you make as it pertains to this vaccine, it shouldn't make a difference to you as a believer in Christ Jesus!

Yet, for you it seems to make a difference! Why is that? Who is the ultimate purveyor of truth to you? Is it man or God? Who do you rely on for your life? Man, or God?
I am not blind to the realities or ways one could wind up dying or living for that matter! Yet ultimately, it's not mine to make, except in seeking His Mercy and Grace.

As I've said before God bless you that you haven't caught COVID or have had any adverse effects or any other debilitating disease, accident or what have you. Can't you show the love of God to others, who don't see it your way? By your words you have shared here, apparently not! And for that I sorrow for you and pray for you as well. That as Paul has said, and I hope you understand these verses:

For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what [is] the width and length and depth and height-- to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen. Ephesians 3:14-21 NKJV

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I am sorry for your loss.

I have had covid, it was bad enough to frighten me but I recovered without severe complications because I was fully vaccinated. I expect I may get it again but I am confident that I will recover similarly again. I have definitely got antibodies. An unvaccinated person cannot ever be sure of any resistance and is far more vulnerable.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I am sorry for your loss.

I have had covid, it was bad enough to frighten me but I recovered without severe complications because I was fully vaccinated. I expect I may get it again but I am confident that I will recover similarly again. I have definitely got antibodies. An unvaccinated person cannot ever be sure of any resistance and is far more vulnerable.

Dear Sister,
I don't consider it a loss, but as some would say Heaven's gain, and for me but a temporary separation.
A difficult separation at times, but one not unexpected considering this body was not going to last forever anyway, especially after the Garden of Eden fiasco! At least in Jesus, one can look forward to an Eternity that will ensure that things like what we are experiencing now, won't be happening again!

Glad you have recovered! Now I can understand why you have to continue with the shots, regardless of what news of the issues with it may come to light. Ride that horse until it bucks you off, but at least as a believer in Christ Jesus, you understand that a brighter future awaits you, no matter the outcome maybe in this World.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Christina2000]

Dear Sister,
I don't consider it a loss, but as some would say Heaven's gain, and for me but a temporary separation.
A difficult separation at times, but one not unexpected considering this body was not going to last forever anyway, especially after the Garden of Eden fiasco! At least in Jesus, one can look forward to an Eternity that will ensure that things like what we are experiencing now, won't be happening again!

Glad you have recovered! Now I can understand why you have to continue with the shots, regardless of what news of the issues with it may come to light. Ride that horse until it bucks you off, but at least as a believer in Christ Jesus, you understand that a brighter future awaits you, no matter the outcome maybe in this World.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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These are early days in your tremendous loss. May you be granted strength and comfort.
I do know how it is, hard.

 

[Christina2000]

Nearly 1 in 5 Health Care Workers Have Quit Their Jobs During the Pandemic

U.S. hospitals are filled with COVID-19 patients as the delta variant continues to ravage the country. Yet a year and a half into the pandemic, many health care providers are facing severe staffing shortages, and a new Morning Consult survey suggests more could be on the horizon.

morningconsult.com

Battle over vaccine mandates continues as workers suspended/face termination

Mandated vaccines trigger layoffs, protests, and lawsuits. Cowlitz County Commission supports workers rights.

www.clarkcountytoday.com

Here in my town, about 20% of nurses and doctors quit, rather than take the vaccine.
One of the articles says they quit due to burnout. But every medical worker I talked to said that wasn't the reason.
The news then twists this around to say hospitals are overwhelmed due to the pandemic. No, they are overwhelmed because their staff is being fired.

Nearly 1,900 Washington state workers quit or are fired over COVID vaccine mandate

About 3% of the Washington state employees who were told to get vaccinated or lose their jobs picked being unemployed, according to various state agencies. Another 3% were granted accommodations that allowed them to work without being vaccinated.

www.seattletimes.com

The local military bases setup pandemic emergency field hospitals at our large sporting event venues.
Not very many showed up to these. In fact the government closed these down about 3 days after being setup.

Washington State's Military Department Responds to COVID-19 Pandemic

Employees of the Washington Military Department have been at the center of the COVID-19 response since the beginning, helping the state's health department with pandemic planning before the virus was

www.defense.gov

Why would they do that if this was really a serious pandemic?
If many medical workers don't trust the vaccine, why should I. My personal physician hasn't gotten it, and he recommends that I don't.

I must say, that aspect has always puzzled me. That some medical staff have refused vaccination. Being scientifically trained it is mysterious why they do not trust it.

 

[MedicBravo]

How many people do you know who have suffered health-wise by taking the shot??

I know many people that it has affected in a negative way. It would be foolish for me to risk my health by taking the shot,, after all the people who I have seen with my own eyes have health issues after taking the shot. I was with someone last night at bible study who once was healthy, but now after taking the shot has a heart issue, and he won't be taking any more shots, he is 100% convinced it was the shot.

I am very glad it has not affected you like this. But I know of far too many it has affected in a negative way to risk my health taking it.

It hasn't affected a lot of people....yet.
My best friend's roommate is a nurse and "had" to get it for his job many months back but took a less stressful position at another company. I do know that many who did and have problems are highly reluctant to tell the truth b/c they fear what others will think, fear the retaliation from Them, and aren't strong enough to stand up and state "I was wrong."
I'd rather risk getting influenza and deal with the symptoms as I have all my life than risk permanent vaccine injury or death from it.

 

[MedicBravo]

I must say, that aspect has always puzzled me. That some medical staff have refused vaccination. Being scientifically trained it is mysterious why they do not trust it.

You still refuse to believe the evidence. So sad.

 

[Christina2000]

You still refuse to believe the evidence. So sad.

Well, they have their opinion, not shared by the majority. I have mine, shared by the majority.

 

[MedicBravo]

Well, they have their opinion, not shared by the majority. I have mine, shared by the majority.

The evidence is fact as are their statements.
"shared by the majority" - That is an opinion and as usual you've no way to prove it.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Well, they have their opinion, not shared by the majority. I have mine, shared by the majority.

Dear Sister,
First thanks for your words of comfort.

I will warn you however, to not attribute too much to being with the majority!
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide [is] the gate and broad [is] the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. "Because narrow [is] the gate and difficult [is] the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV
In this instance, it's better to be with the few, then the many!

Also, remember that many in the medical profession make their decisions based on keeping their jobs! To many the choice between keeping their jobs, verses losing it while taking the chance that they'll not have any adverse effects, is reasonable enough one to take. It doesn't make it right or wrong!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[B-A-C]

I will warn you however, to not attribute too much to being with the majority!

Rev 13:2; And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
Rev 13:4; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
Rev 13:5; There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
Rev 13:6; And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

For me personally, the fact that the majority is doing it, is all the more reason not to.

 

[MedicBravo]

Dear Sister,
First thanks for your words of comfort.

I will warn you however, to not attribute too much to being with the majority!
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide [is] the gate and broad [is] the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. "Because narrow [is] the gate and difficult [is] the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV
In this instance, it's better to be with the few, then the many!

Also, remember that many in the medical profession make their decisions based on keeping their jobs! To many the choice between keeping their jobs, verses losing it while taking the chance that they'll not have any adverse effects, is reasonable enough one to take. It doesn't make it right or wrong!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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She has no way to prove her opinion.
We know Christians aren't in the majority in this world. Jesus wasn't nor were the Disciples. I prefer to stand up and stand out than fit in with the cloned masses.