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In the Fathers eyes there are TWO Groups of People.
Saved or Lost
If they are not saved then go get them saved.

You do not need to understand any other religion BUT please understand the Good News of Jesus so you can take Jesus to them.

Blessings
 
In the Fathers eyes there are TWO Groups of People.
Saved or Lost
If they are not saved then go get them saved.

You do not need to understand any other religion BUT please understand the Good News of Jesus so you can take Jesus to them.

Blessings

The book of Hebrews in the hands of a Christin is winning Jews who just can't jump right into the gospels. Their background is OT, so the best place to start is in their territory. I have found that gentile believers come away from a study in Hebrews with profoundly enhanced their understanding of salvation, enabling them to get busy witnessing, using just Romans and Hebrews. Then folks take to John. Why not John to begin with? That book is the most spiritual of the four synoptics best followed by the life and times of Jesus in Matthew, Mark & Luke. Then Romans and Hebrews. But you won't likely get a Jew to tolerate the synoptic gospels first, as they have already been warned about those, ready to reject them. But when the connection to their background is shown, they get interested.
 
You have fallen short. You can keep trying, but apparently no reply will change you. That doesn't stop me from praying for you until God says STOP.

Fallen short? From what? As I said, I gave the Scriptures. You can address them or ignore them.

Quantrill
 
The book of Hebrews in the hands of a Christin is winning Jews who just can't jump right into the gospels. Their background is OT, so the best place to start is in their territory. I have found that gentile believers come away from a study in Hebrews with profoundly enhanced their understanding of salvation, enabling them to get busy witnessing, using just Romans and Hebrews. Then folks take to John. Why not John to begin with? That book is the most spiritual of the four synoptics best followed by the life and times of Jesus in Matthew, Mark & Luke. Then Romans and Hebrews. But you won't likely get a Jew to tolerate the synoptic gospels first, as they have already been warned about those, ready to reject them. But when the connection to their background is shown, they get interested.
Greetings Sister,
That may be all well but I am simply a simple country boy!
Don't give much thought to all that. I simply allow The Holy Spirit to lead and I follow.

He guides me into the conversation and again I follow. Nothing planned out.

Blessings
 
Greetings Sister,
That may be all well but I am simply a simple country boy!
Don't give much thought to all that. I simply allow The Holy Spirit to lead and I follow.

He guides me into the conversation and again I follow. Nothing planned out.

Blessings
Well, you must have received the third spiritual step into the very presence of God's presence of letting Jesus baptise you with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues as evidence, with prophecy. That can bypass a lot of knowledge gaps! The Spirit is quick to fit you for any challenger, making you an effective soul winner. I assume you are very active in a local church, too. That's so good.

I apologize for assuming you were female, so if not please say so. I am a 74 year old man who lives in the gender born. I am a "country boy" too, though the Lord has made me comfortable ministering in urban settings. It's just really good to get back home where more oxygen occurs naturally, and there is no chlorine in the well water.
 
Are other Christians such as Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo, Greek Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Byzantine, Roman Catholic, Messianic and Protestant ( of different sects) consider to be Christian here or other religions?
 
Though somewhat different, I would say that Jesus Christ discussed and debated with a false religion, Judaism. It was no longer a true religion of God but had become a religion of the Jews. When the truth God gave in the Old Testament became Judaism, it was just another ism. And isn't that what every cult or ism is? Straying away from the truth? Compare (Lev. 23:2,4) with (John 5:1), (John 6:4), and (John 7:2). The feasts of the LORD had become the feasts of the Jews. The synagogue was nothing but a house of satan. (Rev. 2:9) (Rev. 3:9)
That alone is a total denial of facts, truth, and history of the Jews, defying the Bible.

The religion of Judah, the monotheistic religion of Abraham, finalized with the Torah 430 years later, is the basis of "Judaism". What else would you call the ancient mostly Mosaic religion that Jesus lived in, observed, and defended with His death, among the benefits we Christians enjoy?

I think you confuse the corrupt manipulations of Judaism by the Pharisees and some corrupt priests, as being the Judaism of Jesus' day. He is the rabbi who drove the money changers away from the temple steps. None of them destroyed Judaism in their day, and neither did Jesus come to do that.

Jesus came to fulfill all that. He changed the covenant, becoming the new High Priest of priests, making believers kings and priests. Anyone disbeliving all those basics is in my opinion on very doubtful standing. If you were ignorant of all that, it's excusable. Jesus wouldn't challenge it, not change it. He added a much higher standard of living of love that didn't defy Moses.

I have begun answering post 21. I now challenge you to defend your position that Judaism in Jesus' day was a false religion. Getting that so wrong makes it too difficult to deal with that entire post. Your links to other scriptures are still non sequitur to that theory.
 
In the Fathers eyes there are TWO Groups of People.
Saved or Lost
If they are not saved then go get them saved.

You do not need to understand any other religion BUT please understand the Good News of Jesus so you can take Jesus to them.

Blessings

Don't try that while visiting Arab Middle East nations, several near East Pacific nations, and now regrettably China, where Christians came out of hiding, only to be rounded up and taken to prison camps to be tortured, pastors and their congregations. Some Christians have tried, and are making the news of their failure. Converts are not allowed. I don't have enough wealth to rescue you. If God sends you into probable imprisonment or death for preaching His gospel, I figure He would prepare you before going, like missionaries normally do. We know of several who went anyway, whose destiny is not known. At least do like Paul did, team up with other people who know their way around. Pleae, if you still think it isn't necessary to understand any religion, which translates to cultures built around religion, don't appeal to our President. Keep it between you and God, OK? I am not trying to be offensive, but at least pragmatic concerning this.
 
Well, you must have received the third spiritual step into the very presence of God's presence of letting Jesus baptise you with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues as evidence, with prophecy. That can bypass a lot of knowledge gaps! The Spirit is quick to fit you for any challenger, making you an effective soul winner. I assume you are very active in a local church, too. That's so good.

I apologize for assuming you were female, so if not please say so. I am a 74 year old man who lives in the gender born. I am a "country boy" too, though the Lord has made me comfortable ministering in urban settings. It's just really good to get back home where more oxygen occurs naturally, and there is no chlorine in the well water.

My Apologies!!
I have no idea where I got that you were a sister.
Blessings
Brother Wired!
 
No problem. It might be a good idea to label a user name blue or pink if possible, but these days that might offend someone

It is possible. In another forum before I quit staff and closed my account I got it changed to pink and blue for male and female and red for mods and green for helpers and then we just had to check male or female in the secondary user group.

Had a brother open up on some personal issues he was struggling with with another
member who he thought was a brother and after a lengthy time he found out it was a sister.

That just devastated him and he never would come back.
That's when I got things changed.

Blessings my Brother
 
That alone is a total denial of facts, truth, and history of the Jews, defying the Bible.

The religion of Judah, the monotheistic religion of Abraham, finalized with the Torah 430 years later, is the basis of "Judaism". What else would you call the ancient mostly Mosaic religion that Jesus lived in, observed, and defended with His death, among the benefits we Christians enjoy?

I think you confuse the corrupt manipulations of Judaism by the Pharisees and some corrupt priests, as being the Judaism of Jesus' day. He is the rabbi who drove the money changers away from the temple steps. None of them destroyed Judaism in their day, and neither did Jesus come to do that.

Jesus came to fulfill all that. He changed the covenant, becoming the new High Priest of priests, making believers kings and priests. Anyone disbeliving all those basics is in my opinion on very doubtful standing. If you were ignorant of all that, it's excusable. Jesus wouldn't challenge it, not change it. He added a much higher standard of living of love that didn't defy Moses.

I have begun answering post 21. I now challenge you to defend your position that Judaism in Jesus' day was a false religion. Getting that so wrong makes it too difficult to deal with that entire post. Your links to other scriptures are still non sequitur to that theory.

I stated that though somewhat different Judaism was a false religion in Jesus day.

(Lev. 23:2) "....Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts."

(Amos 5:21) "I hate, I despise your feast days,...."

(John 5:2) "After this there was a feast of the Jews...."

(Rev. 2:9) "...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

(Rev. 3:9) "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie...."

(Matt. 23:1-36)

If you find it too difficult, then don't deal with it. That which God revealed in the Old Testament to Moses and the Jews as His Truth and their duty to follow and obey, is not Judaism. Judaism as Christ says, is the house of satan.

Quantrill
 
Are other Christians such as Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo, Greek Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Byzantine, Roman Catholic, Messianic and Protestant ( of different sects) consider to be Christian here or other religions?
Well silence speaks volumes. Philadelphia( Brotherly love)??? questionable here. Perhaps more head way would be made in speaking to those other religions......no?
 
Well silence speaks volumes. Philadelphia( Brotherly love)??? questionable here. Perhaps more head way would be made in speaking to those other religions......no?

Why would more head way be speaking to those of other religions?

Quantrill
 
I stated that though somewhat different Judaism was a false religion in Jesus day.

(Lev. 23:2) "....Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts."

(Amos 5:21) "I hate, I despise your feast days,...."

(John 5:2) "After this there was a feast of the Jews...."

(Rev. 2:9) "...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

(Rev. 3:9) "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie...."

(Matt. 23:1-36)

If you find it too difficult, then don't deal with it. That which God revealed in the Old Testament to Moses and the Jews as His Truth and their duty to follow and obey, is not Judaism. Judaism as Christ says, is the house of satan.

Quantrill

I wonder what you have to say about Abraham. Jesus and the apostles thought highly of his faith, and I find he mightily influenced Christianity.

I have met people dressed like a Jew, strongly affirming they are Jewish, but don't convince anyone they ever knew God. Jewishness for them is just a peculiar way of life. History is full of those who defamed true Jews who loved God with all their might. Some Christians these days shame the Church, though claiming they are dedicated believers. Many demonstrate they have yet to know Jesus personally.

When Jesus comes back here, He will have some startling changes to make in restored Israel, Jerusalem to be capitol of the world, in religion, commerce, medicine, sheer might, under rule of Jesus the Christ, according to Zechariah 8, partially fulfilled, broken up with destruction of Jerusalem, to be resumed in the last days. God stopped the feasts and ordinances when Israel rejected Him, but has made it clear He will restore Israel to it's former glory, while the Church, including both Jews and gentiles, thrives and will populate the New Jerusalem together.

Rev 3:9 concerns the Church (at Philadelphia) and mentions those who pose as Jews will end up worshiping at their feet. That in no way condemned all Jews, of which Jesus was one all His life. The problem in Jesus' day, and during the next few centuries, were Judaizers, chiefly corrupt scribes and Pharisees. Understand that Pharisees were always known to be corrupters of Judaism, and were not official arms of Judaism. They were more of a political party, a movement of ideas, who added rules and regulations onto Judaism, which Jesus resisted.

The earliest Church population was Jewish for about the first 7 years until Cornelius was saved, birthing the Gentile Church movement. That should at least suggest all of Judaism were not of the household of Satan. They remained Jews, and were Christian too, nedding to be discipled like us all. When the Jews took the gospel to the Gentiles, that didn't stop the Christian Jews from preaching Christ. Most of the New Testament was written by Jews who knew Jesus. It's interesting that even now some "Christian" movements claim they are the true Jews, including "Replacement Theology" adherents, claiming they are the new Israel and stand to inherit the ancient blessings. It is all lies. They will worship properly some fine day.

The 144,000 virgins of Rev 7, 12,000 of each tribe of Israel, who do you say they will be? Some Gentiles falsely claim to be of each of those tribes by personal revelation by angels. It won't be God changing the religion of the Pentateuch, or renaming the descendants who longed for the Messiah to come in His glory. Yes, they missed Jesus, and have paid a huge, tragic price for that through the centuries. But the remnant will be there as prophesied. They will celebrate their feasts in view of Jesus on the throne among them, along with the redeemed Church coming with Him.
 
(Amos 5:21) "I hate, I despise your feast days,...."

and obey, is not Judaism. Judaism as Christ says, is the house of satan.

Quantrill

Rather than make your case plucking verses condemning Judaism, I recommend you study Amos. Not just read it, but understand the prophet preached in Israel's "Golden Age" in the realm of King Jeroboam II over northern tribal Israel, and Uzziah king of Judah. Israel was not yet taken captive, had tamed all their enemies, saw great prosperity, but God warned Israel to repent. He was speific about the kings tolerating hypocritical sacrifices to Molech and other gods, adulterating otherwise acceptable sacrifices and feast-keeping. God extended a hearty promise of avoidance of judgment if the people would repent. Until then God totally ignored anything hypocritical. That was not an indictment against Judaism in general, but was a chastening of those who defiled God's Law. There is no logic in saying God hated anything of Moses, regarding His word delivered to Moses as holy. He hated the perversions of the people.
 
I wonder what you have to say about Abraham. Jesus and the apostles thought highly of his faith, and I find he mightily influenced Christianity.

I have met people dressed like a Jew, strongly affirming they are Jewish, but don't convince anyone they ever knew God. Jewishness for them is just a peculiar way of life. History is full of those who defamed true Jews who loved God with all their might. Some Christians these days shame the Church, though claiming they are dedicated believers. Many demonstrate they have yet to know Jesus personally.

When Jesus comes back here, He will have some startling changes to make in restored Israel, Jerusalem to be capitol of the world, in religion, commerce, medicine, sheer might, under rule of Jesus the Christ, according to Zechariah 8, partially fulfilled, broken up with destruction of Jerusalem, to be resumed in the last days. God stopped the feasts and ordinances when Israel rejected Him, but has made it clear He will restore Israel to it's former glory, while the Church, including both Jews and gentiles, thrives and will populate the New Jerusalem together.

Rev 3:9 concerns the Church (at Philadelphia) and mentions those who pose as Jews will end up worshiping at their feet. That in no way condemned all Jews, of which Jesus was one all His life. The problem in Jesus' day, and during the next few centuries, were Judaizers, chiefly corrupt scribes and Pharisees. Understand that Pharisees were always known to be corrupters of Judaism, and were not official arms of Judaism. They were more of a political party, a movement of ideas, who added rules and regulations onto Judaism, which Jesus resisted.

The earliest Church population was Jewish for about the first 7 years until Cornelius was saved, birthing the Gentile Church movement. That should at least suggest all of Judaism were not of the household of Satan. They remained Jews, and were Christian too, nedding to be discipled like us all. When the Jews took the gospel to the Gentiles, that didn't stop the Christian Jews from preaching Christ. Most of the New Testament was written by Jews who knew Jesus. It's interesting that even now some "Christian" movements claim they are the true Jews, including "Replacement Theology" adherents, claiming they are the new Israel and stand to inherit the ancient blessings. It is all lies. They will worship properly some fine day.

The 144,000 virgins of Rev 7, 12,000 of each tribe of Israel, who do you say they will be? Some Gentiles falsely claim to be of each of those tribes by personal revelation by angels. It won't be God changing the religion of the Pentateuch, or renaming the descendants who longed for the Messiah to come in His glory. Yes, they missed Jesus, and have paid a huge, tragic price for that through the centuries. But the remnant will be there as prophesied. They will celebrate their feasts in view of Jesus on the throne among them, along with the redeemed Church coming with Him.

You're confusing many things here. It is not a question of 'will God restore Israel'. It is not a question of 'all Jews being condemned'.

It is a question of Christ in His day dealing with Judaism, which was, in all respects, a false religion. That is what I stated and that is what I have proved by the Scriptures I gave.

I sense you are creating a smoke screen now, as the Scriptures I presented speak for themselves.

Quantrill
 
Rather than make your case plucking verses condemning Judaism, I recommend you study Amos. Not just read it, but understand the prophet preached in Israel's "Golden Age" in the realm of King Jeroboam II over northern tribal Israel, and Uzziah king of Judah. Israel was not yet taken captive, had tamed all their enemies, saw great prosperity, but God warned Israel to repent. He was speific about the kings tolerating hypocritical sacrifices to Molech and other gods, adulterating otherwise acceptable sacrifices and feast-keeping. God extended a hearty promise of avoidance of judgment if the people would repent. Until then God totally ignored anything hypocritical. That was not an indictment against Judaism in general, but was a chastening of those who defiled God's Law. There is no logic in saying God hated anything of Moses, regarding His word delivered to Moses as holy. He hated the perversions of the people.

More smoke. God says distinctly that He hated the Jews feast days. (Amos 5:21) Yet you say, 'there is no logic saying God hated anything of Moses'. The feast days given to Moses were God's feast days. The feast days alluded to in Amos God hated and despised because they had been so corrupted. Just as all their sacrifices and offerings had. (Amos 5:22). It was not longer of God. It was of the Jews. It was Judaism.

Quantrill
 
More smoke. God says distinctly that He hated the Jews feast days. (Amos 5:21) Yet you say, 'there is no logic saying God hated anything of Moses'. The feast days given to Moses were God's feast days. The feast days alluded to in Amos God hated and despised because they had been so corrupted. Just as all their sacrifices and offerings had. (Amos 5:22). It was not longer of God. It was of the Jews. It was Judaism.

Quantrill
No smoke here. I have to assume then you think Jesus died to fulfill what God gave to Moses and the prophets, all a false religion, which Jesus grew up obeying and supporting, every feast, every sacrifice, keeping the whole Law perfectly. That was true Judaism in His day. I now know what and who you are of. I have written enough to get the truth out, all supported by simply reading the Bible cover to cover. Try it once a year or two. It only takes about a hundred hours of reading for the average reader, not counting the many "rabbit trails" I jump into along the way. C'mon, you can do it. :grin:
 
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