Does God create people to go to hell

[B-A-C]

God doesn't "create" people just so they will go to hell.... hmmm... I guess He needs to keep the flames lit, what's a few more logs on the fire?

2 Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

1 Tim 2:3; This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1 Tim 2:4; who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

But even though God wants all men to be saved, not all men will be saved. This is because of free will.

Still... are there just a "few" being saved? Someone asked Jesus this very question... this was His answer.

Luke 13:22; And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem.
Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Luke 13:29; "And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God.
Luke 13:30; "And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last."

"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door," Once the door is shut, the decision is made. There are no more second chances after this.

Heb 9:27; And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

Once you die, the die is cast.

So what about people who never had a chance to hear the gospel? That's mostly our fault, not theirs. If we were really doing the great commission, there wouldn't be anyone who hasn't heard about Jesus.
But I notice the passage above isn't about people who never heard the gospel. It's about people who heard the gospel and continued doing evil.
Did God create those people to go to hell? No, they made their own choice.

Keep in mind, if we all came from Adam... and then again from Noah... both of those men knew who God was.
Why don't all their descendants know about God? Is that God's fault too?

 

[Bill]

God doesn't "create" people just so they will go to hell.... hmmm... I guess He needs to keep the flames lit, what's a few more logs on the fire?

2 Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

1 Tim 2:3; This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1 Tim 2:4; who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

But even though God wants all men to be saved, not all men will be saved. This is because of free will.

Still... are there just a "few" being saved? Someone asked Jesus this very question... this was His answer.

Luke 13:22; And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem.
Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Luke 13:29; "And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God.
Luke 13:30; "And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last."

"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door," Once the door is shut, the decision is made. There are no more second chances after this.

Heb 9:27; And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

Once you die, the die is cast.

So what about people who never had a chance to hear the gospel? That's mostly our fault, not theirs. If we were really doing the great commission, there wouldn't be anyone who hasn't heard about Jesus.
But I notice the passage above isn't about people who never heard the gospel. It's about people who heard the gospel and continued doing evil.
Did God create those people to go to hell? No, they made their own choice.

Keep in mind, if we all came from Adam... and then again from Noah... both of those men knew who God was.
Why don't all their descendants know about God? Is that God's fault too?

Well written brother

 

[StudentX354]

My friend.

You know not what you are saying. "Faith may or may not bring us to Jesus" . Faith always brings us to Jesus. But it is we who have to recieve Him. Jesus is the Living Water that we must drink to enter into the House of the Father.

What is Jesus, specifically . God, yes. And what is God. God is Love.
We must have love in our heart. True love. Deep love. So if a pagan dies with deep love for others in his heart. He already has Jesus. He may not know the Law, but the substance of the Law will be engraved on his heart.

You said friend, you know not what you speak? You Bill clearly dont know what you speak of. If a pagan dies with deep love for others in his heart, and doesnt know Jesus, he still has Jesus? Let me give you this wisdom friend with respect.

Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Deuteronomy 7:9
"Know therefore that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments"

Your absurd statement that you say
"So if a pagan dies with deep love for others in his heart. He already has Jesus"
This isnt biblical so please think before you lead people down the wrong path good sir.

I will clear this up for everybody
Bill your statement is false and this is why. Just because you 'Love' someone or a group or have love for others DOESNT mean you know Jesus. If what you said is true? Why does Jesus tell us differently?

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Do you clearly see now? Just because you have deep love for others in your heart DOES NOT mean you already have Jesus and DEFINITLY DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE SALVATION.
Jesus is way and the truth. The life.

Btw if a Pagan deeply LOVES to practice Witch craft or occult things, orgies, lust, and gaining money OR anything else that is sin. Is God still the source of that 'love'?

I have proven my point. Please think before you say "it is scripture" with your own words in context. What you said is NOT biblical. But of your own devices.
This however is biblical:

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

I mean this with respect but your statement is not the gospel of what me and alot of others on this forum know to be true.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Not through deeply loveing others.
Truely loving others is something we should strive for.

Peace and blessings be too you.
-StudentX354
-Gage

 

[Bill]

You said friend, you know not what you speak? You Bill clearly dont know what you speak of. If a pagan dies with deep love for others in his heart, and doesnt know Jesus, he still has Jesus? Let me give you this wisdom friend with respect.

Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Deuteronomy 7:9
"Know therefore that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments"

Your absurd statement that you say
"So if a pagan dies with deep love for others in his heart. He already has Jesus"
This isnt biblical so please think before you lead people down the wrong path good sir.

I will clear this up for everybody
Bill your statement is false and this is why. Just because you 'Love' someone or a group or have love for others DOESNT mean you know Jesus. If what you said is true? Why does Jesus tell us differently?

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Do you clearly see now? Just because you have deep love for others in your heart DOES NOT mean you already have Jesus and DEFINITLY DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE SALVATION.
Jesus is way and the truth. The life.

Btw if a Pagan deeply LOVES to practice Witch craft or occult things, orgies, lust, and gaining money OR anything else that is sin. Is God still the source of that 'love'?

I have proven my point. Please think before you say "it is scripture" with your own words in context. What you said is NOT biblical. But of your own devices.
This however is biblical:

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

I mean this with respect but your statement is not the gospel of what me and alot of others on this forum know to be true.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Not through deeply loveing others.
Truely loving others is something we should strive for.

Peace and blessings be too you.
-StudentX354
-Gage

Sir, before quoting just one of my statements. Might i suggest going back and reading more.

Everything i have written is from scripture.

I have explained it a number of times as well.

Some of the scripture you have Quoted like Matthew 7.3 does not even apply here

That scripture is talking about being a hypocrite.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Everything i have written is from scripture.

I have explained it a number of times as well.

Some of the scripture you have Quoted like Matthew 7.3 does not even apply here

Might be from scripture but you are creating ideas that hold no value.

You asked me why you can not use Enoch.
Because you are applying bits of the old done away with Contract and trying to slip them into the New and Only Contract on the table.

Before the Cross and After the Cross are two different contracts in which God Deals with man.

No one who does not know Jesus is saved after the Cross.

Blessings

 

[Dave M]

@Bill

Just Curios of a real world example do you believe Gandhi went to heaven???

 

[StudentX354]

Sir, before quoting just one of my statements. Might i suggest going back and reading more.

Everything i have written is from scripture.

I have explained it a number of times as well.

Some of the scripture you have Quoted like Matthew 7.3 does not even apply here

That scripture is talking about being a hypocrite.

I read the whole forum of what you put before I posted and yet my opinion still stands with me. And Matthew 7:3 is about being a hypocrite yes, and it applies to you, would say too another man 'you know not what you speak' yet you posted what you posted? My valid point(of which you are avoiding) was clearly laid out in plain english and scripture too back up what I know to be true. A pagan who deeply loves others, though he doesnt know Jesus, already has Jesus in His heart isnt scripture. Some of the obvious statments you said are true, such as love being God and Jesus being God. The only post I didnt see to be true was what I said on the post. Again. Please reread what I put. Im not here to classify your whole saying as not true. But the point about the pagan deeply loving isnt gospel. Im entitled to my opinion just as everyman on this forum. And i back up what I said. Agreed? Jesus is the only way brother. The only way.
Peace and blessings be with you.
God isnt the author of confusion.
-StudentX354
-Gage

 

[Bill]

Might be from scripture but you are creating ideas that hold no value.

You asked me why you can not use Enoch.
Because you are applying bits of the old done away with Contract and trying to slip them into the New and Only Contract on the table.

Before the Cross and After the Cross are two different contracts in which God Deals with man.

No one who does not know Jesus is saved after the Cross.

Blessings

You havent listened to anything ive said. Nor are you paying attention to scripture.

Knowing Jesus in your head will never save you. It is only when you recieve him into your heart that you can be saved.

Tell me, Jesus states, No One can go to the Father but through me. NO ONE. How was it possible for the ppl of the Old Testiment to talk to God.

It was because Jesus was already there. Scripture states, they didnt recognize him.

 

[Bill]

@Bill

Just Curios of a real world example do you believe Gandhi went to heaven???

Yes

 

[StudentX354]

You havent listened to anything ive said. Nor are you paying attention to scripture.

Knowing Jesus in your head will never save you. It is only when you recieve him into your heart that you can be saved.

Tell me, Jesus states, No One can go to the Father but through me. NO ONE. How was it possible for the ppl of the Old Testiment to talk to God.

It was because Jesus was already there. Scripture states, they didnt recognize him.

'Facepalm'

 

[Bill]

I read the whole forum of what you put before I posted and yet my opinion still stands with me. And Matthew 7:3 is about being a hypocrite yes, and it applies to you, would say too another man 'you know not what you speak' yet you posted what you posted? My valid point(of which you are avoiding) was clearly laid out in plain english and scripture too back up what I know to be true. A pagan who deeply loves others, though he doesnt know Jesus, already has Jesus in His heart isnt scripture. Some of the obvious statments you said are true, such as love being God and Jesus being God. The only post I didnt see to be true was what I said on the post. Again. Please reread what I put. Im not here to classify your whole saying as not true. But the point about the pagan deeply loving isnt gospel. Im entitled to my opinion just as everyman on this forum. And i back up what I said. Agreed? Jesus is the only way brother. The only way.
Peace and blessings be with you.
God isnt the author of confusion.
-StudentX354
-Gage

'Facepalm'

What is "face palm"

 

[Bill]

'Facepalm'

See im not a big fan of quoting where every scripture verse comes from. If you know the scripture than you know it.

But you come barging in here not knowing and accusing me of falsehood. You should be careful of that.

Pauls letter to the Romans talks about the salvation of Pagans. For those who do not know the Law. The Law is the Word of God.

God never made mankind to be stupid. He expects us to grow up. This so includes growing up in knowledge of scripture.

When you were a child you thought as a child, you acted as a child. Now you are growing up. And im not talking human age, but the age of your spirit.

Some poeple feel when you read about bowls and plates, that the scripture is only talking about bowls and plates. And those ppl will believe without a doubt, that is what the scripture is all about.

It will not occur to them, that scripture is talking about ppl.

And this is simple txt.

Let us look at following the Word of God.

Jesus tells us, in the breaking of the Bread. Do This In Rememberance Of Me.

Was this just a request.? Was it a passive statement? Absolutely not. It was instruction from Jesus Himself.

Do you know how many times ive had pastors tell me they wont do it because it is a catholic tradition.

That excuse is malarky . Hocky pucks

Catholic church didnt come into existance for at least 200 yrs.

The breaking of the Bread is mentioned in a few passages as well . After the Resurrection. The Apostles with Jesus, didnt recognize him. Not even when He spoke the scriptures. But they did recognize Him in the Breaking of the Bread

So it is important to understand, in study of scripture all of scripture has to agree with itself. Not just a few pieces. But all of it. Old and New Testiments.

 

[StudentX354]

What is "face palm"

Face palm is a term of today(2019) when someone misses the whole point. How does Matthew 7:3 not apply to you again? You keep saying that people are not paying attention to scripture but YOU are not paying attention to scripture. Wired4Fishen does pay attention to scripture.

 

[StudentX354]

See im not a big fan of quoting where every scripture verse comes from. If you know the scripture than you know it.

But you come barging in here not knowing and accusing me of falsehood. You should be careful of that.

Pauls letter to the Romans talks about the salvation of Pagans. For those who do not know the Law. The Law is the Word of God.

God never made mankind to be stupid. He expects us to grow up. This so includes growing up in knowledge of scripture.

When you were a child you thought as a child, you acted as a child. Now you are growing up. And im not talking human age, but the age of your spirit.

Some poeple feel when you read about bowls and plates, that the scripture is only talking about bowls and plates. And those ppl will believe without a doubt, that is what the scripture is all about.

It will not occur to them, that scripture is talking about ppl.

And this is simple txt.

Let us look at following the Word of God.

Jesus tells us, in the breaking of the Bread. Do This In Rememberance Of Me.

Was this just a request.? Was it a passive statement? Absolutely not. It was instruction from Jesus Himself.

Do you know how many times ive had pastors tell me they wont do it because it is a catholic tradition.

That excuse is malarky . Hocky pucks

Catholic church didnt come into existance for at least 200 yrs.

The breaking of the Bread is mentioned in a few passages as well . After the Resurrection. The Apostles with Jesus, didnt recognize him. Not even when He spoke the scriptures. But they did recognize Him in the Breaking of the Bread

Because your statements of what
you said is falsehood. Im not going to make a whole new post explaining after I have already proven my point.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You havent listened to anything ive said. Nor are you paying attention to scripture.

Knowing Jesus in your head will never save you. It is only when you recieve him into your heart that you can be saved.

Tell me, Jesus states, No One can go to the Father but through me. NO ONE. How was it possible for the ppl of the Old Testiment to talk to God.

It was because Jesus was already there. Scripture states, they didnt recognize him.

Bill,
Slow down and please stay on one point.
All you do is add confusion to the thread when you take a quote on one thing and reply with it on something else.

Now lets stick to one point.
You claim if a pagan has love in his heart they are already saved even if they have not heard the Gospel or Know Jesus.

That is nothing but confusion and false truth.

Blessings

 

[StudentX354]

Because your statements of what
you said is falsehood. Im not going to make a whole new post explaining after I have already proven my point.

@Bill
Im done. What I said is valid and true. Peace be too you brother. I pray the Lord shows you understanding.

 

[StudentX354]

Bill,
Slow down and please stay on one point.
All you do is add confusion to the thread when you take a quote on one thing and reply with it on something else.

Now lets stick to one point.
You claim if a pagan has love in his heart they are already saved even if they have not heard the Gospel or Know Jesus.

That is nothing but confusion and false truth.

Blessings

THANK YOU! Finally!! Indeed it is false truth.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@StudentX354 and @Bill
Lets all ( the three of us) not allow our enemy to sow frustration within this confusion.

That causes strife and where there is strife there is found all sorts of evil.
That is what he wants then the truth becomes hidden as the Holy Spirit can not flow in that kind of atmosphere.

Blessings and Love in Christ

 

[StudentX354]

@StudentX354 and @Bill
Lets all ( the three of us) not allow our enemy to sow frustration within this confusion.

That causes strife and where there is strife there is found all sorts of evil.
That is what he wants then the truth becomes hidden as the Holy Spirit can not flow in that kind of atmosphere.

Blessings and Love in Christ

Agreed. Thank you for that post. I needed that.

 

[Dave M]

@StudentX354 and @Bill
Lets all ( the three of us) not allow our enemy to sow frustration within this confusion.

That causes strife and where there is strife there is found all sorts of evil.
That is what he wants then the truth becomes hidden as the Holy Spirit can not flow in that kind of atmosphere.

Blessings and Love in Christ

post of the week love ya brother