Does God create people to go to hell

[Wired 4 Fishen]

if God is not in control of this world how in the world does all the prophecy foretold in the bible come true then??

You want to rethink this one?

 

[Dave M]

Brother satan is not on Gods leash nor does God give him approval to do anything.

Scripture won't back that thinking Dave.
That thinking was sowed into the church long ago by the devil.

brother I love you but you got to stop listening to those tv preachers who say things like this.

Job is proof enough satin has to ask God permission and there are other scriptures also that support it. NO job did not bring those torments on himself as the tv preachers would lead you to believe, God allowed those things to happen, why we dont know. Just like in the Gopel when Jesus said Satin has asked Permission to sift all of you, Brother if Satan was not on a leash this world would be in Tribulation like in the book of revelations when he is going to be off the leash.

We dont have to agree I know you love Jesus and and that is what is important, but I promise you God is sovereign nothing happens with out him knowing it and allowing it. The problem with mankind is we like to put everything in a box and think God acts like man does his ways are not our ways.

Love ya man not trying to argue with have a blessed night

 

[StudentX354]

That would be false.
God is not in full control of this world and all that happens in it.

Blessings

Greetings

I mean this with complete respect but do you realize what you just put??

Isaiah 45:6-7
"That people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things."

and

Proverb 16:4
"The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble."

 

[StudentX354]

That would be false.
God is not in full control of this world and all that happens in it.

Blessings

What you said is false. Please pray and look over your view on this. I mean this with respect because I care.

-StudentX354
-Gage

 

[StudentX354]

• "The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it; for he founded it on the seas and established it on the waters" (Psalm 24:1-2).

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

brother I love you but you got to stop listening to those tv preachers who say things like this.

Actually Scripture Teaches this.

Job is proof enough satin has to ask God permission and there are other scriptures also that support it.

Or rather your understanding.
Dave get out of the old before the cross and understand the difference in how satan legally under kingdom law operates.

but I promise you God is sovereign nothing happens with out him knowing it and allowing it. The problem with mankind is we like to put everything in a box and think God acts like man does his ways are not our ways.

Dave look up the word sovereign and realise that it is only in the newer versions including the KJV because it is man made word and is added to newer versions by man.

ALSO..Sure God sees what goes on and yes He permits things but BECAUSE at this time under the NT Covenant He can not get involved unless His people Ask, give Him permission to do so.

In the Book of Revelation you can see where this covenant expires and He is in full control in this world again.

Not arguing with you
Just going to expose some deception Christians have bought and taught.
Love you to Brother

 

[StudentX354]

You said and I quote:
"ALSO..Sure God sees what goes on and yes He permits things but BECAUSE at this time under the NT Covenant He can not get involved unless His people Ask, give Him permission to do so."

@Wired 4 Fishen
Nobody gives God permission to do anything. He will do AS HE PLEASES. HE IS GOD!!! Does the clay pot give the Maker permission to do with him what he will?
Think about it

 

[Dave M]

He can not get involved unless His people Ask, give Him permission to do so.

man that is insane look at all the people that get healed that did not even ask to get healed, Brother I love ya, but we are going to have to disagree and probably best not continue . GOD CAN DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS WHEN EVER HE WANTS, ANYONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENT PLEASE PRAY ON IT what do you think Grace is

Psalm 115:3
Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.

Matthew 20:15
Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’

Proverbs 16:9
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.


Romans 9:20
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

Psalm 135:6
Whatever the Lord pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps.

Psalm 103:19
The Lord has established his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom rules over all.


please show me scripture supporting your post I quoted,

 

[StudentX354]

ALSO..Sure God sees what goes on and yes He permits things but BECAUSE at this time under the NT Covenant He can not get involved unless His people Ask, give Him permission to do so.

I need some scripture @Wired 4 Fishen
in order for me to honestly believe God cant get involved unless we give Him permission. That is absurd

 

[StudentX354]

man that is insane look at all the people that get healed that did not even ask to get healed, Brother I love ya, but we are going to have to disagree and probably best not continue . GOD CAN DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS WHEN EVER HE WANTS, ANYONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENT PLEASE PRAY ON IT what do you think Grace is

Psalm 115:3
Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.

Matthew 20:15
Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’

Proverbs 16:9
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.


Romans 9:20
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

Psalm 135:6
Whatever the Lord pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps.

Psalm 103:19
The Lord has established his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom rules over all.


please show me scripture supporting your post I quoted,

I dont think there is ANY scripture that says "We have to give God permission or He cannot intervene" this statement is absurd. All the bible verses you put are what I was scrambling to find in my bible.
The Lord will do as He pleases. AMEN

 

[Dave M]

We have to give God permission or He cannot intervene

This is from the tv preachers, they deceive a lot of people we need to pray for them.

 

[StudentX354]

This is from the tv preachers, they deceive a lot of people we need to pray for them.

Yes we do indeed. It makes me upset that anybody could think God needs permission to do anything...

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

brother I love you but you got to stop listening to those tv preachers who

Brother Dave if you were walking in Love then you would not have even written this.

You have Judged who I sit under ( which you have no knowledge of)

You have judged me as being so stupid that I can not Hear God for myself or discern false from right.

Now I forgive you and hold no aught against you because I do walk in Love and I have learned to guard my mouth more so.

How about let's leave the sharp tongue to those forum guru's who always have a sharp quick retort.

Blessings and Love in Christ
Your BROTHER Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Brother I love ya, but we are going to have to disagree and probably best not continue .

Dave this is not acceptable at all.
You bust my chops, pick a hand full of scriptures and make statements in which you simply have lack of understanding in and then say its best we don't continue.

What kind of Spirit is that Dave?

When I have my quiet time around 3am my time, I will present scripture to show you truth in this manner.

Thank you for your honest and loving fellowship
Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Yes we do indeed. It makes me upset that anybody could think God needs permission to do anything...

Well you better get over that. When God makes a Covenant Agreement with man it is binding until His set time.

Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

This is from the tv preachers, they deceive a lot of people we need to pray for them.

Be careful Dave what you allow in your heart. You don't want to judge God's servants because you will experience judgment in this life.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Nobody gives God permission to do anything. He will do AS HE PLEASES. HE IS GOD!!! Does the clay pot give the Maker permission to do with him what he will?
Think about it

You are confusing scripture together which does not work here.

That's the problem and why we have so many Christians in lack and defeat. They simply do not understand their part in the new Covenant made between God and Jesus. This covenant is not between God and man. Man becomes the BENEFICIARY once he becomes born again.

I and others will show you.
Blessings and thank you for your loving fellowship.
Jim

 

[Bendito]

brother I love you but you got to stop listening to those tv preachers who say things like this.

Job is proof enough satin has to ask God permission and there are other scriptures also that support it. NO job did not bring those torments on himself as the tv preachers would lead you to believe, God allowed those things to happen, why we dont know. Just like in the Gopel when Jesus said Satin has asked Permission to sift all of you, Brother if Satan was not on a leash this world would be in Tribulation like in the book of revelations when he is going to be off the leash.

We dont have to agree I know you love Jesus and and that is what is important, but I promise you God is sovereign nothing happens with out him knowing it and allowing it. The problem with mankind is we like to put everything in a box and think God acts like man does his ways are not our ways.

Love ya man not trying to argue with have a blessed night

Job is proof enough satin has to ask God permission and there are other scriptures also that support it. Hmmm One needs to understand what is going on before one makes blanket statements like this. For one thing, God is not in control in the Earth...At the time of Job, Satan is in control. Satan is the master of the Earth...Adam gave him dominion. That means that Satan did NOT need permission. Job allowed his fear for his kids rule him...That is a sin. Sin opens the doors to Satan's attacks. Job did bring it on himself....rather he opened the doors for the attack. Get used to it. Job WAS a good man, but he was only a man. He put his pants on one at a time just like we do....

Luke 22:31
“Shim‘on, Shim‘on, listen! The Adversary demanded to have you people for himself, to sift you like wheat! Demanding is hardly asking permission...You need a more accurate translation of the Bible maybe..
At that time Satan had dominion in the Earth...Adam gave it to him remember? :smile: Now platitudes don't cut it either..Only the truth does. Speaking for my friend W4F....

 

[StudentX354]

Brother Dave if you were walking in Love then you would not have even written this.

You have Judged who I sit under ( which you have no knowledge of)

You have judged me as being so stupid that I can not Hear God for myself or discern false from right.

Now I forgive you and hold no aught against you because I do walk in Love and I have learned to guard my mouth more so.

How about let's leave the sharp tongue to those forum guru's who always have a sharp quick retort.

Blessings and Love in Christ
Your BROTHER Jim

How could you possibly say that too some one you consider a brother of Christ? He was defending the One we all sit under by using scripture to show you what he meant. Take your own advice, since you want to rebuke him with a sharp tongue and say you ,"You have Judged who I sit under ( which you have no knowledge of) " How many times have you @Wired 4 Fishen said, " That is false or that is wrong too another person on this site "?
That is hypocritical and YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
He is trying to help you. He never one time said your were stupid. How many times have you @Wired 4 Fishen said in your heart this man is stupid?? Are you perfect?? He was defending the Lord by showing scripture and saying God doesnt need permission from man. Which is true, and if you think it is not, you are wrong and in error of your ways. If YOU HONESTLY THINK GOD NEEDS PERMISSION FROM YOU @Wired 4 Fishen you are sadly mistaken.


Matthew 7:15:20
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

He brought scripture up too you. And you denied that of God. Dont dare tell him he judged the One you sit under when you think the One you sit under needs YOUR permission to make an act upon you.
You are in the wrong and your pride will keep you from saying it.

Did God ask Pauls permission to knock him off the horse and be blinded and be appointed one of Gods chosen? Did God ask Johns permission for Jesus to show him revelation? Did God ask Marys permission to bless her with the Holy Ghost?

Roman 9:20
"But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

No, God does what He pleases in His time and manner. Like you said in a past post on my prayer request, not trying to come down on you hard but if it is Gods will it is Gods will!!! Open your eyes and dont sit there and try and make him feel like he cant speak what is truth too you.

John 15:16
"You didn't choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name."

Nobody tells God what He can and cant do, nobody says to the Lord, Lord you have my permission to do this. and YOU are not speaking with the Holy spirit. You are speaking because your pride has overcome you.
It wont hurt my feelings for you too say "I am judging you"
So take this wisdom and READ IT CAREFULLY!

Proverbs 12:1
"Any who love knowledge want to be told when they are wrong. It is stupid to hate being corrected."

Blessings be too you.
I wont sit idle by while you blast a man with good intentions. You were too worried about "getting your chops busted" instead of learning from what he said. You know how much I have learned already on this site from you guys?? A bunch. Praise Jesus.

 

[Bendito]

Greetings

I mean this with complete respect but do you realize what you just put??

Isaiah 45:6-7
"That people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things."

and

Proverb 16:4
"The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble."

Again I'll answer for my friend W4F God is not in control in the Earth...That's a Churchianity cop out. Man has been given dominion in the Earth....
Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

CJB God blessed them: God said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air and every living creature that crawls on the earth.”


AMP
And God blessed them [granting them certain authority] and said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth, and subjugate it [putting it under your power]; and rule over (dominate) the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and every living thing that moves upon the earth.”


Psalm 115:16 (CJB)
16 Heaven belongs to Adonai,
but the earth he has given to humankind.

These two verses alone blow away Churchianity doctrines.