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Does Jesus love satan?

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Interpret this verse for me according to your understanding if you will.

Col 1:20 ".. and through him God reconciled everything unto himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christs blood on the cross." NLT

KJV "And, having made peace by the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things in heaven."

I'm just curious how you see this.
 
The weapons of the enemy are violence hatred malice etc.. with these weapons, they control those they see as weak. Our weapons are peace, love kindness patience etc.. Our weapons defuse the weapons of the enemy, as soon as we use the weapons of the enemy, such as hatred, (if we hate Satan) we then lose the battle. The question to ask, is, would we feed Satan if he turned up at our house hungry?
I thought "Satan's weapon" is "Deception" according to the Word of God. And I thought "hatred, and all kinds of wickedness comes out of "humans" according to the Word of God. Mummmmm now let me think.:neutral::neutral:

Would we feed Satan , if he was hungry? Depends on what he wanted to eat:p
 
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The “all things” that can be reconciled are limited to only those “things in Heaven and or in earth

Satan and his fallen angels have already been judged by God to spend eternity in the “lake of fire” There is no lets wait and see what happens to him!

John 16:11 About judgment, because the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world [Satan] is judged and condemned and sentence already is passed upon him. (AMP)

The “lake of fire” is not in Heaven nor is it in earth as it falls outside of those things that can be reconciled!

The last great white throne judgment.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

At the last judgment “Heaven and earth fled away”, yet the lake of fire still exists proofing the that LOF is NOT in Heaven or earth!

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
I've made up my mind. I'm going back to the scriptures I first believed, that speak of satan going to hell. There's no salvation for him in my humble opinion now.
I have realised that this has all been part of satans deception tactics. Thank you so much for your direction guys.
Peace be with you all. :love:
 
Yeah. It's called babylon.

Are you sure, that is a awfully small "Kingdom" you have a view of, To me concerning What the n"Bible says" What "God Gave Him!"
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7If you worship me, it will all be yours.


New International Version
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

New Living Translation
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. My

And Jesus said:

English Standard Version
I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

Berean Study Bible
I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming, and he has no claim on Me

Satan will not be taken out of this World, not until A Angel cast him into a pit, bound by a chain!


1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.



Why do I have to post, replies like this:pensive:. And these things are supposed to be "common Christian knownledge"And it sometimes becomes, so weary. 7"Who the war is with, and not with".The OT, is a "biblical motif" parallel. Then when you mention "OT" ,Christians Brains-go into "Pop Ads" mode! Their minds go straight to "Law"! And There are 39 books in the OT, full of Stories and "Characters" and God's Strategies of Warfare" and "Battles" even accounts in decisions in "Heaven of the " Straegies of Deception" and God asking the Angels for suggestions of implementations. I am Speaking Concerning "The Canon of Scripture" of The Protestant Faith. And I am not Referring to "Pseudographical Books" and Non-canonical books. Were some are beginning to quote on "TalkJesus" as biblical doctrine and express as if they found something new, for this is sad:relieved:
 
Psalms 55:11
“Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.”
 
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7If you worship me, it will all be yours.

Of course this was before....

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Satan no longer has claim to the Earth. He was defeated.

Rev 1:18; and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and

Why do I have to post, replies like this:pensive:. And these things are supposed to be "common Christian knownledge"A

It is amazing what some don't know.
 
Satan only has control over his own children, he has no control over God's children.

1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
 
Of course this was before....

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Satan no longer has claim to the Earth. He was defeated.

Rev 1:18; and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and



It is amazing what some don't know.
Ok , here we go ago. Where did you find those words in the Bible. this statement : "Satan no longer has a claim to the Earth. he was Defeated" are those your words. And you assumed Matt. 28:18 said that?

Ok people are saying I am to harsh with words, so I am going to speak soft and gentle, kind Feminne words to you, with no repetition.
Matthew 28:18, this language is what we call, concerning the "Greek Language Syntax in which it was written,, Jesus is speaking in A "Future Indicative"! A Greek verb . Like many times He has Spoken! In other words it is not actually happening at that very moment! You are reading a Translation. And if you are familiar with English Syntax and knowing you are reading a translation of another Languageand closely related to the The Bible of other episodes there of course withe help of The "Holy Ghost". Oh yes, the Holy Spirit do teaches "Language Syntax":cool:

the Word of God, never lost his power over Satan, He Created Him! The Demons obeyed Him, Satan in the Temptation obeyed Him! And He Told Satan, that He was to bow down to Him, and not Him to him, The Word of God is Satan's God for He Created Him and commanded him after the conversation to Leave and Satan obeyed Him. You have ran into a simple Complex Paradox it may seems. And I don't know how many years you have view that portion of Scripture like that! God has never lost Power, God and the Son has always been "Sovereign"!
Now that last sentence, you wrote: " it is amazing what some don't know". I do not know what that meant! I do not know if you were referring to me or what! Since I am the one that is on the verge of getting excommunicated from "TalkJesus" Maybe. I will not address that last sentence in your Post #31. "but will turn the cheek" or if you prefer " I will Bend the Knee"
 
Here's an excerpt from a book that I've read a few years ago, called the Long War Against God, by Dr. Henry Morris. It's an interesting perspective that I've never heard before reading this book. It looks in the part below at the why of Satan believing he could overcome God.

Start of Excerpt
"The Bible teaches that the reason why he wants to do this is simply pride. Lucifer/Satan was created as the highest of all angels, the "covering cherub" (Ezek28:16) - "full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty" and "perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast, created" (vv. 12, 15). Except for God himself, no being in all the universe was wiser, more powerful, more exalted, and more beautiful than Lucifer. But that was not enough!
Pride is defined in the New testament as "the condemnation of the devil" (1 Tim 3:6), for he was the first sinner and his sin was pride. God said to him: "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (same word as "earth")..." (Ezek 28:17).
One element of that satanic pride may have been resentment against God's plan for men and women. They had been created in God's own image (Gen 1:26-28). On the other hand, the angels were created specifically to be "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation" (Heb 1:14). In any case, Lucifer's pride led to his fall, and has served as a warning ever since: "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall" (Prov 16:18).
The more difficult "why" deals not with Lucifer's motive but with his rationale. Why and how could he possibly think that he, as one of God's created beings could ever manage to vanquish his Creator? He was "full of wisdom." so surely he was intelligent enough to realize he could not possibly defeat his Creator.
Unless, that is, he did not believe that God really was his Creator! After all, the only evidence he had was God's word, and he evidently chose not to believe what God had told him. There seems no other possible way to rationalize what seems otherwise to have been an incredibly foolish decision on Satan's part.
But if God had not create him, then who did? And who made God? what could Lucifer have been thinking?
It would seem that the only possible alternate solution that Lucifer could imagine would be evolution! Perhaps-just perhaps-both he and God had somehow evolved out of the primeval chaos, with God just happening to precede him chronologically. If so, they were both really the same kind of being, as were the other angels. Therefore, a well-planned rebellion just might be successful!
This seems like an absurd proposition, but Lucifer was both proud and desperate and there was evidently no other possible way to account for their mutual existence.
Anyway, how can it be so "absurd," when this is essentially what all anti-creationists have always believed? The ancient pantheists believed that the gods created themselves out of the primeval chaos, and modern scientific evolutionists believe that human beings have evolved out of the chaos of the primeval Big Bang. So far as Lucifer knew, all the angels could have evolved along with himself and God, either slowly over long ages or very rapidly. Since they were not able to observe the process, who could know?
Lucifer's first moment of awareness (and the same would apply to all the angels) after God created him was one of waters all around him. The angels were probably created on the first day of creation week, immediately after the creation of the space/matter/time cosmos itself. This is the implication of the remarkable introduction to Psalm 104.
Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverst thyself with light as with a garment; who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the cluds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever (Psalm 104:1-5).
That is, God made his angels immediately after he had stretched out the vast space of the heavens and established his own presence in the primeval created waters. This correlates with the revelation at the very earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" (Gen 1:1-2).
Without embarking on an exposition of this passage, it is clear that the first experience of God's newly created angels would be one of vast watery, cloudy expanses everywhere. The earth itself was still "without form;" its "foundations" were not "laid" until after the angelic creation. All of this suggests that if Lucifer (soon to become Satan-"the Adversary") desired to find some explanation other than God for his existence, he would be forced to think that he was somehow derived from the vast presence (literal meaning of "on the face" in Gen 1:2) of waters, which he encountered with his first awakening.
This explains the fact that no only the Sumerian cosmogony (the Enuma Elish), but also that of the Egyptians and most of the others that have been handed down b y the various tribes and nations, all began with an eternal watery chaos from which the gods eventually evolved by some unknown process. This was Lucifer's best guess as to his own origin, and so this is what he would have to use to persuade men to join with him in opposing the God of creation.
Since much of this scenario is inferential, it is not presented dogmatically. If there is some better and more realistic way of accounting for Satan's long war with his Creator, we should be open to it, but something like the above is surely strongly implied.
This means, finally, that the very first evolutionist was not Charles Darwin or Lucretius or Thales or Nimrod, but Satan himelf1 He has not only deceived the whole world with the monstrous lie of evolution but has deceived himself most of all. He still thinks he can defeat God because, like modern "scientific" evolutionists, he refuses to believe that God is really God."
End of Excerpt

I took me awhile to get through the book, but it was of interest even to my Physics Professor Brother in Law, who kept talking about marbles (shrug). Some of the science I in truth had to skip, because some of the theories being reviewed in the book were beyond me! :) Still, I figured I'd share the above excerpt, because many including myself until I read this, really couldn't imagine what would the Adversary think in trying to over throw his Creator. This is as good explanation as any, and shows the possibility of why Evolution came about.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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There are thousands and thousands of books like that out into the world, let alone, Scripture, "Scripture and "Holy Scripture" are to different things, We use to use those terms to Identify but the "world has change rapidly" especially since "Billy Sundays" introduction", But here is the warning "Stay away from "Pseudographical" Books and those who relate to them, and all non-canonical books, and those who related to them, and all deuterocanonical books,! God has given us "the canon of Scripture" the "Word of God" and The Word of God needs No help from outsiders, just know it well! and everything is it, and Remember This Is 'The Adversary"s Kingdom, I would not waste my time on that trash. I would eat and sleep "ASV", vines, and a SET of "ISBE" and a NEW SCOFIELD REfERENCE BIBLE KJV copyright 1967 0r 1999 ONLY!!!!!!!!!! if you can find one! and kiss all of that other stuff goodby!!!!! and get you a Greek lexicon! and learn how to use it! To late in the day to be wasting time on junk! Don't waste your time, God sees what you are doing, do it right and HE will open the Gates! Take that book apart like the people who wrote the Geneva Bible 1590, And compare it to KJV New Scofield Reference copyright 1967 or 1999 ONLY!!!!! it is a OXFORD edition. You will Be a Biblical Scholar in no time, and if Jesus get back first, do not worry, You will be like 'God" and sat down at the REAL KINGDOM of GOD! and not this junkie place called earth, where the Devil Rules! and then you can tell him to take it and put where the sun do not shine:p I'M Gone and "BYE"! Tell him to keep it and the horse he rode in on!!!! I'M gone!

This only advice.. Most Christians would faint if they knew how many different kinds of "Scripture that is in this world counted as "Authoritative" and is nothing but a bunch of junk! and the writer who wrote it.
 
Hi Brothers and sisters,

So here's my question; Jesus tells us to love our enemies (satan is the enemy). Does that mean we should love pagans, evildoers, the wicked and satan and his emmiseries?

Thanks guys.
Yes, Jesus loves Satan . God loves Lucifer. However God cannot reward disobedience. The Ten Commandments are not just for us. They are the Word, Jesus, who is eternal
 
There are thousands and thousands of books like that out into the world, let alone, Scripture, "Scripture and "Holy Scripture" are to different things, We use to use those terms to Identify but the "world has change rapidly" especially since "Billy Sundays" introduction", But here is the warning "Stay away from "Pseudographical" Books and those who relate to them, and all non-canonical books, and those who related to them, and all deuterocanonical books,! God has given us "the canon of Scripture" the "Word of God" and The Word of God needs No help from outsiders, just know it well! and everything is it, and Remember This Is 'The Adversary"s Kingdom, I would not waste my time on that trash. I would eat and sleep "ASV", vines, and a SET of "ISBE" and a NEW SCOFIELD REfERENCE BIBLE KJV copyright 1967 0r 1999 ONLY!!!!!!!!!! if you can find one! and kiss all of that other stuff goodby!!!!! and get you a Greek lexicon! and learn how to use it! To late in the day to be wasting time on junk! Don't waste your time, God sees what you are doing, do it right and HE will open the Gates! Take that book apart like the people who wrote the Geneva Bible 1590, And compare it to KJV New Scofield Reference copyright 1967 or 1999 ONLY!!!!! it is a OXFORD edition. You will Be a Biblical Scholar in no time, and if Jesus get back first, do not worry, You will be like 'God" and sat down at the REAL KINGDOM of GOD! and not this junkie place called earth, where the Devil Rules! and then you can tell him to take it and put where the sun do not shine:p I'M Gone and "BYE"! Tell him to keep it and the horse he rode in on!!!! I'M gone!

This only advice.. Most Christians would faint if they knew how many different kinds of "Scripture that is in this world counted as "Authoritative" and is nothing but a bunch of junk! and the writer who wrote it.
I am aware of two bibles in print that are more than 2000 words off each. One even tries to neuter God
 
Does Jesus love satan?

Psalm 5:5-6
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.


a lot of people like to seperate the sin from the person and say God hates the sin not the person, not so sure that is what the bible says. Not so sure we can separate the sin from the person,

If the lord hates all evildoers, and satin is the king of evil, not so sure how anyone can say say anything different, then what the word says "hates all evildoers"
 
If the lord hates all evildoers, and satin is the king of evil, not so sure how anyone can say say anything different, then what the word says "hates all evildoers"

If the Lord hates all evil doers then he would have to hate us all as we all were evildoers at some point. But he loved the world (us) enough to save it by sending
his Son to be a sacrifice for the sin that he hates. "..........Christ died for the ungodly." Goal accomplished.

The other problem here, God is the creator of evil, Isaiah 45:7 it just exists to accomplish his purposes. As he is Love the evil that is dispensed is in small doses to simply
accomplish whatever he dispensed it to do. Satan and Job as example, and Satan and Jesus. In both cases the evil done to them was for their greater good.
And indeed even our own suffering is for our perfecting just as Jesus' was.

God created Satan, so the iniquity that was found in him God had to put there in order for there to be a VP of Evil, a tempter if you will for God tempts no man,
but Satan on the other hand is continually at it "...........I have created the waster to destroy?"

In Genesis both Satan and God said the same thing. That is that when Adam and Eve partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they would become as
Gods knowing both good and evil. That my friend is why we are embroiled in evil, so that we can become like God by Gods design. We must know what evil is and
have the strength to overcome it with love and forgiveness in order to actually accomplish the end goal. Truly be a son of God that knows how to control evil.
Jesus is primary and only example. But unless you have experienced it you could never control it for you would not know it exists. And it wouldn't unless God had
a purpose for it. Even Jesus said his crucifixion was a thing of God and I believe we would all say it was evil but most necessary in order to fulfill the law of sacrifice
for sins, his own perfecting, and fulfillment of scripture.

When disputing over the body of Moses even Michael would not bring a railing accusation against Satan but rather said the Lord rebuke thee.
We are to simply resist him and his temptings and leave it at that for now. Someday we will judge angels, that may prove to be a very enlightening event.
 
If the Lord hates all evil doers then he would have to hate us all as we all were evildoers at some point.

We are mixing a few things here. First of all.. Love does not equal salvation. As you say, God loves even sinners. Before any of us were saved, God loved us.
So just because God may or may not love someone, has nothing to do with whether they are saved or not. A lot of people quote Romans 8.. nothing can separate us
from the love of God... that's great, what does that have to do with salvation?

Second, your sentence above says "we were all evildoers at some point". At some point. That's the key. If you're still an evildoer you're still not saved.
I'm not talking about being perfect here. I'm talking about "practicing sin" vs "practicing righteousness". Living a sinful lifestyle vs living a godly lifestyle.
But obedience to righteousness is just a small part of it. Faith is the bigger part.

Third, it doesn't matter even if you were an almost perfectly righteous person. 99.9% righteousness isn't good enough for God. You break one rule, you're just as guilty as if you broke them all. ( James 2:10; )
Faith in Jesus is absolutely required. Without this no one is saved.

Faith alone doesn't save you (even the demons believe). Righteousness alone doesn't save anyone.

Acts 4:12; And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

Allah can't save you, Buddha can't save you. Shiva can't save you. Odin or Zeus can't save you. Only Jesus can save you, and He only saved those who "believeth in Him"

John 3:16; “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18; He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

2Thes 2:10; and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
2Thes 2:11; For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12; in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
 
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