Does Jesus love satan?

[B-A-C]

Rom 2:2; And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.
Rom 2:3; But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4; Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
Rom 2:5; But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
Rom 2:6; who will render to each person according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7; to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
Rom 2:8; but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
Rom 2:9; There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Gentile.

Rom 2:12; For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
Rom 2:13; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

 

[Christ4Ever]

There are thousands and thousands of books like that out into the world, let alone, Scripture, "Scripture and "Holy Scripture" are to different things, We use to use those terms to Identify but the "world has change rapidly" especially since "Billy Sundays" introduction", But here is the warning "Stay away from "Pseudographical" Books and those who relate to them, and all non-canonical books, and those who related to them, and all deuterocanonical books,! God has given us "the canon of Scripture" the "Word of God" and The Word of God needs No help from outsiders, just know it well! and everything is it, and Remember This Is 'The Adversary"s Kingdom, I would not waste my time on that trash. I would eat and sleep "ASV", vines, and a SET of "ISBE" and a NEW SCOFIELD REfERENCE BIBLE KJV copyright 1967 0r 1999 ONLY!!!!!!!!!! if you can find one! and kiss all of that other stuff goodby!!!!! and get you a Greek lexicon! and learn how to use it! To late in the day to be wasting time on junk! Don't waste your time, God sees what you are doing, do it right and HE will open the Gates! Take that book apart like the people who wrote the Geneva Bible 1590, And compare it to KJV New Scofield Reference copyright 1967 or 1999 ONLY!!!!! it is a OXFORD edition. You will Be a Biblical Scholar in no time, and if Jesus get back first, do not worry, You will be like 'God" and sat down at the REAL KINGDOM of GOD! and not this junkie place called earth, where the Devil Rules! and then you can tell him to take it and put where the sun do not shine I'M Gone and "BYE"! Tell him to keep it and the horse he rode in on!!!! I'M gone!

This only advice.. Most Christians would faint if they knew how many different kinds of "Scripture that is in this world counted as "Authoritative" and is nothing but a bunch of junk! and the writer who wrote it.

Dear Brother,
The harshness of your criticism, belies your lack of knowledge on who the man was whose writing I was quoting. He has gone to be with the Lord in 2006. His son died on a missionary mission (shows strong family guidance in the word). He attempted in his life to bring the Bible to the darkness of the Scientific community. Trying to teach and show that Scripture was inerrant, and that it was in many areas Science that was corrupted and wrong.

Keep in mind what Paul said "For though I am free from all [men], I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those [who are] under the law, as under the law, that I might win those [who are] under the law; to those [who are] without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those [who are] without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some. Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with [you]. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

Be patient and thoughtful before critiquing what you believe on face value is not worthy of "anyone's" consideration. It's reason or purpose might not be known to you, but might be to another.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[Curtis]

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Rom 3:7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
Rom 3:8 And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok My crime is cast all books written by men, even "John Calvin" and be well acquainted With "The Word of God" and dictionaries and biblical lexicons that is use to translate "the Original copied Text" that has Saved "millions upon Millions of Christian throughout this whole word! And now I am a hostile enemy for promoting the unadulterated "Word of GOD" over any book that has ever been made and proclaim them futile in compared to the "Canon of Holy Scripture"! I would never present "pseudographical books, or any kind of Non - canonical books before or recommend to a "Child of The Living GOD! And don't care what type a man the person is or how many honors, that person may have or what pedestal he took them from, I take no bribes ! "And men do not express me, what's so ever. " There is no respect of person with "The Lord God Almighty"! And the "word of God" supersedes all "speculations" and has no place with God!

6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. 10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

1st. I am going to be kind, Before I answer any kinda long serious replies, I always spend at least 2 hours, on it. I devour the post, which most of the time , sometimes, there errors built upon errors upon errors of some Christians understanding the text they are building upon. Given to them by some unlearn biblical teacher and hear say, they have know and thought it was truth! Most of their lives. "I cannot give them a direct answers to a pile of errors! And most Christians are so obstinate and never hardly ever use a good unabridged Dictionary [etymology] or a good Biblical encyclopedia never in their life of biblical studying, and only ate the food the minster have regurgitated and they found a taste for it. And when the Truth of the Gospel is finally presented, "it makes them sick as can be". I am speaking about true born again Christian and not non Christians.
2. I have a "Spiritual Gift of Discernment" and I will not address this gift no more!

3. I am replying to this post of yours, because your understanding of the "Holy Scripture is all messed-up" so I know, what I say, is hill of nonsense to you! In this case, I will be the one that "remains ignorant still"! I do bend the knee.

PS. If you bring Dr. Henry M. Morris up before " The Sons of The Living GOD" again, I will tear him apart. And leave him bear! By the power of the Living God!!

 

[Curtis]

God created Satan,

God did not "create" Satan, he created "Lucifer" who later became Satan by his own actions.

 

[Curtis]

We must know what evil is and
have the strength to overcome it with love and forgiveness in order to actually accomplish the end goal. Truly be a son of God that knows how to control evil.
Jesus is primary and only example. But unless you have experienced it you could never control it for you would not know it exists. And it wouldn't unless God had a purpose for it.

If God wanted Adam and Eve to experience "death" which is evil he would have created them dead!

 

[B-A-C]

God did not "create" Satan, he created "Lucifer" who later became Satan by his own actions.

Ezek 28:
13; “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14; “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15; “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16; “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.

Satan wasn't created as an evil being. Also Satan mean "adversary". He wasn't always the adversary.

 

[Curtis]

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

 

[Samson2020]

Romans 8:20 "For the creation was subjected to vanity (excessive pride in or adoration of ones own appearance or achievements), not of its own will, but by reason of
him who subjected it, in hope 21-That the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

 

[PloughBoy]

Let me say something, right now, And many Christians don't know this; it was declared a very long time ago! And proven: That the "Queen of All the Sciences is "Theology" and Her Handmaiden is "Philososphy". For when all of the other sciences get there, "Theology has been there and gone". Let the Lord give you understanding!


I like your post#50. SamSon2020

 

[Samson2020]

If God wanted Adam and Eve to experience "death" which is evil he would have created them dead!

Would have created them dead?
How could they experience death or fear death if they were created dead? And for what purpose would that serve?
They have to experience life in order to understand death. They are opposites like night and day, good and evil. One defines the other.
What is dead if there was never life?

Psa 8:4-5 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned
him with glory and honor."
Heb 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should
taste death for every man."
Hos 13:14 " I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance
shall be hid from mine eyes."
Heb 2:14-15 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him
that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."
Heb 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, then after this the judgement."

 

[Curtis]

Would have created them dead?
How could they experience death or fear death if they were created dead? And for what purpose would that serve?
They have to experience life in order to understand death. They are opposites like night and day, good and evil. One defines the other.
What is dead if there was never life?

Dead meaning spiritual death. Nobody needs to experience death before they know it is not good! Nobody needs to experience life before they know it is good!

Why do you think God told Adam, and Eve NOT to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Did he want them to die so they would know what death was?

 

[B-A-C]

Mark 3:24; If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mark 3:25; If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.

Jesus said a house divided against itself cannot stand. God and Satan are not on the same team.

1 Jn 3:8; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
1 Jn 3:9; No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot practice sin, because he is born of God.

James 1:13; Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.

God doesn't cause anyone to sin.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Ok My crime is cast all books written by men, even "John Calvin" and be well acquainted With "The Word of God" and dictionaries and biblical lexicons that is use to translate "the Original copied Text" that has Saved "millions upon Millions of Christian throughout this whole word! And now I am a hostile enemy for promoting the unadulterated "Word of GOD" over any book that has ever been made and proclaim them futile in compared to the "Canon of Holy Scripture"! I would never present "pseudographical books, or any kind of Non - canonical books before or recommend to a "Child of The Living GOD! And don't care what type a man the person is or how many honors, that person may have or what pedestal he took them from, I take no bribes ! "And men do not express me, what's so ever. " There is no respect of person with "The Lord God Almighty"! And the "word of God" supersedes all "speculations" and has no place with God!

6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. 10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

1st. I am going to be kind, Before I answer any kinda long serious replies, I always spend at least 2 hours, on it. I devour the post, which most of the time , sometimes, there errors built upon errors upon errors of some Christians understanding the text they are building upon. Given to them by some unlearn biblical teacher and hear say, they have know and thought it was truth! Most of their lives. "I cannot give them a direct answers to a pile of errors! And most Christians are so obstinate and never hardly ever use a good unabridged Dictionary [etymology] or a good Biblical encyclopedia never in their life of biblical studying, and only ate the food the minster have regurgitated and they found a taste for it. And when the Truth of the Gospel is finally presented, "it makes them sick as can be". I am speaking about true born again Christian and not non Christians.
2. I have a "Spiritual Gift of Discernment" and I will not address this gift no more!

3. I am replying to this post of yours, because your understanding of the "Holy Scripture is all messed-up" so I know, what I say, is hill of nonsense to you! In this case, I will be the one that "remains ignorant still"! I do bend the knee.

PS. If you bring Dr. Henry M. Morris up before " The Sons of The Living GOD" again, I will tear him apart. And leave him bear! By the power of the Living God!!

Dear Brother,
You are exhibiting the same pride that caused the fall of Lucifer. Take care.
The Word is Jesus Christ, and that is who saves by the Power of God, the Holy Spirit. They hear the written word, but it does not save, and is why the original autographs were not saved from destruction, for the very things that you have shown in this post. They would have been venerated above the contents which are only understood spiritually, and clearly with less comprehension by many, then and today. It would have been idolatry and worship at its worst had they survived.

Also, please do not attribute to me what you believe in your own mind to be fact, because my sharing of a writing done by a man of God, doesn't fit into what you believe is the only method of communicating the Word of God. You yourself took umbrage for the lack of understanding from your thread that was meant as Evangelism in its initial post. One would think that you would have understood this usage/purpose done by others, and would not have been so quick to cast it aside. For I do love you brother, and admire the zeal you have, though at times exhibited with little patience, and at times lacking complete understanding. You might do well to read and understand these verses from God's Word I share from my heart with you.

Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us." But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. "For he who is not against us is on our side. "For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. Mark 9:38-41

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[Curtis]

If God wanted everyone to die and become sinners, and then Jesus came along to save sinners and give them life that would mean that Jesus came to destroyed the works of God His Father!

 

[Samson2020]

Why do you think God told Adam, and Eve NOT to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Did he want them to die so they would know what death was?

Yes. As their disobedience brought condemnation and death for everyone that followed, even though not even one person sinned the same way that Adam and Eve had done.
It must have been the plan from the very beginning as Jesus was foreordained(appoint or decree something beforehand) to be the sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world, therefore God knew what would happen if Satan (more subtle that any beast of the field that God had made), was allowed to be alone with Eve while Adam was dispatched elsewhere in the garden.
Did God know it would happen? Sure. But he didn't stop it. Why? Because it was necessary.
We all see God as omnipresent and Omniscient and he is. So why when there were only 2 humans on the face of the earth could God not know nor stop it from happening?
Seeing he controls the lives of nearly 7 BILLION people alive today. Not to mention the multitudes of angelic beings. You were born with a carnal mind by the design of God
and it is not subject to the law of God for it believes it is God, thus you sin. Destroying it is your warfare to the point that the mind of Christ resides in you.
Could it be that it was Gods design that all things be reconciled back to him through the blood of his Son? And in being the sacrifice for sin, the Son (Jesus), became the
head of all creation which is what Col 1:19 tells us. This is what he Jesus was foreordained to become. This would not be possible without the fall. Besides God did not
have to condemn the entirety of mankind for what those 2 did, he could have decreed a lesser punishment, but that would not have accomplished his goal.

If God wanted everyone to die and become sinners, and then Jesus came along to save sinners and give them life that would mean that Jesus came to destroyed the works of God His Father!

No because God gave that assignment to Satan, therefore the works that were destroyed were those of Satan the serpent. Who was a liar from the beginning of his
introduction into the lives of Adam and Eve.
"....I have created the waster to destroy." And he has done so for 6000 yrs
" For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief, that he might have mercy on ALL."

Before we move on any further I would like to know if any of the things that were told in Mark 16:17-18 apply to you? Do you pray in the spirit? Have you ever cast out
an unclean spirit? Have you ever laid your hands on the sick and they have recovered? Has the Lord ever told you to go do anything? Do you have a testimony that
shows you are one of the sheep? As I feel I am stuck playing biblical ping pong with theologians, and am wasting time in doing so.

 

[B-A-C]

You were born with a carnal mind by the design of God
and it is not subject to the law of God for it believes it is God

Rom 8:9; However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Besides God did not
have to condemn the entirety of mankind for what those 2 did, he could have decreed a lesser punishment

You aren't condemned by Adam's sin. You are condemned by yours.

Rom 3:23; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

 

[Curtis]

if Satan (more subtle that any beast of the field that God had made), was allowed to be alone with Eve while Adam was dispatched elsewhere in the garden.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

 

[Curtis]

Did God know it would happen? Sure. But he didn't stop it. Why?

Allowing something to happen and commissioning it is not the same thing.
Adam was given the authority over everything which is why the Lord God did nothing to stop it.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it [using all its vast resources in the service of God and man]; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and over every living creature that moves upon the earth. (AMP)

 

[Curtis]

Seeing he controls the lives of nearly 7 BILLION people alive today.

(1 John 5:19) We know [positively] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one. (AMP)

(1 John 5:19) We know that we are children of God. We know that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (NiRV)