Exposing!! The Corrupt Counterfeit (NIV) Bible, Verses That Have Been Tampered With!!

[Sue D.]

The RCC did have control over the people Until the people could start reading the Scripture for themselves. The People saw problems within the RCC. The RCC was teaching non-Biblical doctrine. The rebellion started Within the RCC but was Not appreciated.

John 17 :20 - 23 "that they may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one i Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me."

There Is unity through Jesus Christ -- shed His blood for us on the cross. Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior.

We need to be 'restored' to the Word of God -- Scripture plus nothing. Romans 2: 8 - 9. The blood of Christ is sufficient.

 

[PloughBoy]

Love of many will grow cold, The great falling away, As we look at everything that is happening in the world as a whole we can see the chaos, others will be eating and drinking and making merry. But we know our redemption draws near. All these things have been predicted. Even “John Calvin” would turn over in his grave, to even thing there such a thing as “Calvinism”. Sue and Acts 2:38. You are not alone

 

[Sue D.]

Yes, there is definitely chaos in this world. And at some point in the future -- Jesus Christ will come in the sky and draw all born-again believers up to Him,.

 

[PloughBoy]

And do you know how long we are going to be together?

 

[Sue D.]

Do you mean here on earth? No one knows when the Rapture of the Church will take place. Only that it will.

Or after the rapture. There will be 7 yrs. of tribulation -- after that will be the 2nd coming of the Lord here to earth for His 1,000 yr reign of Jesus Christ.

 

[PloughBoy]

Yes beginning at the time of The Rapture.

 

[PloughBoy]

Answer: through out eternity, as long as God , Exists we will exists, we all, will be together and know one another. That is amazing. Eternal life has no end!

 

[Sue D.]

God's Word tells us that no one except the Father in heaven knows the timing of the rapture - of the Church. And no one is to try to predict that timing of.

People are to live as though the rapture could happen 'tomorrow' or 'today'.

As to your next post that just now got posted.

Upon the rapture taking place Or a born-again believer dies physically -- The believer will be with jesus Christ -- there will be 7 yrs. of tribulation here on earth -- during That time beleivers will be in heaven -- marriage super of the lamb -- and then 1,000 yr earthly reign of jesus Christ - during which time satan will be bound. And then loosed again for a while -- another war and then will come the end of time here on earth as it's known. The Great white throne judgement -- eternity in either the New Jerusalem being brought down from heaven by God. OR the non-believers will all be put into the lake of fire and brimstone for all eternity.

And I also know that lots of people don't agree with all of that. But it's very Scriptural.

And, ye, that Is amazing -- eternity has no end for either destination.

 

[Ezra Allen]

(AMP) But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.
(CAB) However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."
(CJB) Some manuscripts include verse 21: But this kind does not go out except through prayer and fasting."
(HNV) But this kind doesn't go out except by prayer and fasting."
(KJV) Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
(KJV+) HowbeitG1161 thisG5124 kindG1085 goeth not outG1607 G3756 butG1508 byG1722 prayerG4335 andG2532 fasting.G3521
(LONT) This kind, however, is not dispossessed, unless by prayer and fasting.
(MSG) (OMITTED TEXT)
(NASB) ["But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."]
(NKJV) "However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."
(TCNT) OMITTED TEXT
(Translit+) . toutoG5124 GenesisosG1085 ekporeuomaiG1607 . . . . proseucheG4335 . nesteiaG3521
(VW) However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

 

[Mayflower]

This is why I like to use multiple translations. NASB is my favorite, but I am glad to have finally given translations like The Message a chance. I have gotten revelation from scriptures between comparing translations and learning how to look at Hebrew/Greek roots. Have to do the best we can.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Missing books of the Bible

Joshua 10:13 NIV So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
2 Samuel 1:18 NIV and he ordered that the people of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar):

1) Book of Jashar: missing

Numbers 21:14 NIV That is why the Book of the Wars of the LORD says: "... Zahab in Suphah and the ravines, the Arnon

2) Book of the Wars of the LORD: missing

1 Kings 11:41 NIV As for the other events of Solomon's reign--all he did and the wisdom he displayed--are they not written in the book of the annals of Solomon?

3) Book of the annals of Solomon: missing

1 Chronicles 29:29 NIV As for the events of King David's reign, from beginning to end, they are written in the records of Samuel the seer, the records of Nathan the prophet and the records of Gad the seer

2 Chronicles 9:29 NIV As for the other events of Solomon's reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam son of Nebat?

2 Chronicles 9:29 NIV As for the other events of Solomon's reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam son of Nebat?

2 Chronicles 12:15 NIV As for the events of Rehoboam's reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Shemaiah the prophet and of Iddo the seer that deal with genealogies? There was continual warfare between Rehoboam and Jeroboam.

2 Chronicles 13:22 NIV The other events of Abijah's reign, what he did and what he said, are written in the annotations of the prophet Iddo

2 Chronicles 20:34 NIV The other events of Jehoshaphat's reign, from beginning to end, are written in the annals of Jehu son of Hanani, which are recorded in the book of the kings of Israel.

2 Chronicles 24:27 NIV The account of his sons, the many prophecies about him, and the record of the restoration of the temple of God are written in the annotations on the book of the kings. And Amaziah his son succeeded him as king.

4) Records of Samuel the seer: missing

5) Records of Nathan the prophet: missing

6) Records of Gad the seer: missing

7) Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite: missing

8) Visions of Iddo the seer: missing

9&10) Records of Shemaiah the prophet and Iddo the seer: missing

11) Annotations of the prophet Iddo: missing

12) Annals of Jehu: missing

13) Annotations on the book of the kings: missing

List continued next post

Hmmm The book of Jasher is not missing at all...I have it in my library....The other books do not belong in the bible....Not missing either

 

[Sue D.]

The books that were taken out of the Bible -- the Canon -- were taken out because they did not meet the criteria that the others Did meet. So, yes, a person Can read any of those books if they want to.

 

[tv1984]

I threw my copy of the NIV in the dumpster the minute I compared it to the AV. Turns out its a counter-reformation v2.0, or ecumenical, gimmick. Can anyone say PCPCU?

 

[Rhema]

I threw my copy of the NIV in the dumpster

Biblical scholar Bruce M. Metzger criticized the NIV 1984 edition for the addition of the word "just" into Jeremiah 7:22 so the verse becomes "For when I brought your forefathers/ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.​

Metzger also criticized the addition of the word your into Matthew 13:32, so it becomes "Though it (the mustard seed) is the smallest of all your seeds." The usage of your was removed in the 2011 revision.​

- Metzger, Bruce M. (2001). The Bible in Translation : Ancient and English Versions. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic. p. 140.​

The NIV was written by lying scribes who added words.

Rhema

 

[tv1984]

Biblical scholar Bruce M. Metzger criticized the NIV 1984 edition for the addition of the word "just" into Jeremiah 7:22 so the verse becomes "For when I brought your forefathers/ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.​

Metzger also criticized the addition of the word your into Matthew 13:32, so it becomes "Though it (the mustard seed) is the smallest of all your seeds." The usage of your was removed in the 2011 revision.​

- Metzger, Bruce M. (2001). The Bible in Translation : Ancient and English Versions. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic. p. 140.​

The NIV was written by lying scribes who added words.

Rhema

The AV is what disclosed that for me at a time I could only read English (and Spanish). Since then I have learned the Greek and Latin, and comprehend the transmission and histories of the texts, as well as the mission of the PCPCU (unfortunately).

I don't read Metzger, nor care for him, nevertheless it doesn't surprise me that many people have found that copyright versions are at minimum 15% intellectual property claimed by some publisher somewhere...and when publishers are employing texts which have only been approved by Rome, can anyone truly wonder why it is *the* page that everyone is on, and the wrong one at that?

 

[Rhema]

..and when publishers are employing texts which have only been approved by Rome,

Well, Metzger is considered to have been the world's foremost scholar in Greek manuscripts (and to some extent still is), and I was fortunate enough to have been a student. But as a professor at Princeton, approval by Rome ?? Seriously ??

And Zondervan ... approved by Rome ??

Where. (Such an assertion sounds more like polemic than fact.)

The AV is what disclosed that for me at a time I could only read English (and Spanish).

The irony for me is that Zondervan (who publishes the NIV) also published a Greek interlinear side by side with the KJV and the NIV. In reading the gloss by Alfred Marshall, one could see the cultic warp and woof of the NIV exposed, along with dubious phrasings of the KJV. I've had this Bible since I was 14 (nearly fifty years ago):

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There are maybe only three or four passages about which Marshall and I would have a lively discussion.

Rhema

I don't read Metzger,

Is that also your position with Ehrman? Truly, every Christian should read this book, if only to understand the facts and where Bart makes mistakes in his conclusions -

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why: Ehrman, Bart D.: 9780060859510: Amazon.com: Books

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why [Ehrman, Bart D.] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

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[B-A-C]

The irony for me is that Zondervan (who publishes the NIV) also published a Greek interlinear side by side with the KJV and the NIV.

True enough, one difference however is that HarperCollins/Zondervan own the copyright to the NIV Bible.
No one owns the copyright for King James, it is public Domain.

 

[Rhema]

True enough, one difference however is that HarperCollins/Zondervan own the copyright to the NIV Bible.
No one owns the copyright for King James, it is public Domain.

Obviously...

But it's not just about money... it's about ideology.

Zondervan also published the same NIV interlinear with the NASB (owned by the Lockman foundation) replacing the KJV.

Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, The: Marshall, Alfred: 9780310401704: Amazon.com: Books

Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, The [Marshall, Alfred] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, The

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Rhema



There's also an NRSV -

Amazon.com

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[tv1984]

Well, Metzger is considered to have been the world's foremost scholar in Greek manuscripts (and to some extent still is), and I was fortunate enough to have been a student. But as a professor at Princeton, approval by Rome ?? Seriously ??

And Zondervan ... approved by Rome ??

Where. (Such an assertion sounds more like polemic than fact.)


The irony for me is that Zondervan (who publishes the NIV) also published a Greek interlinear side by side with the KJV and the NIV. In reading the gloss by Alfred Marshall, one could see the cultic warp and woof of the NIV exposed, along with dubious phrasings of the KJV. I've had this Bible since I was 14 (nearly fifty years ago):

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

There are maybe only three or four passages about which Marshall and I would have a lively discussion.

Rhema


Is that also your position with Ehrman? Truly, every Christian should read this book, if only to understand the facts and where Bart makes mistakes in his conclusions -

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why: Ehrman, Bart D.: 9780060859510: Amazon.com: Books

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why [Ehrman, Bart D.] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

www.amazon.com

I think you might be complicating what I wrote. Never claimed a thing regarding Metzger, perhaps you are confusing my post with someone else's? I, still, do not care for him; Ehrman neither.

Let me say once more, I read the Greek and Latin. The benefit of that is that I do not need to consult with any opinions, for I can go directly to the texts and sources themselves. The Zondervan corporation is not an authority, not in any wise. Copyright law is copyright law. Whether they circulated a "dynamic translation" consulted from eclectic texts, of which may well have been from a text or two approved by the PCPCU, or not, makes no difference to me; that copy I had once entertained must by now have decayed in a pile of rubbish, and long since forgotten by me. Copyrights are found also in editions of the church fathers, historical accounts, profane authors -- not only the bible, as well.

You mentioned Marshall's critique of "dubious phrasings". I am not familiar with him, nor what text he prefers wherewith he makes his assertion. For it is plain that if a person holds to one text, and a departure occurs thence, he might have cause to protest. Yet this seems to be an opportunity, which one might employ, to attack a reading which he does not favor. This sort of methodology have many a man employed in effort to bend the readings to suit their end. And once I had compared the copyright edition of their 'bible', against the AV, I immediately perceived their attack upon the deity of Christ, among many other particulars. The chief end of these copyright editions are to rewrite history, to pervert truth, to withhold information, to blind the recipient, etc.

Yet men long before copyright have been editing documents to suit their ends. Somehow this is overlooked by 'biblical scholars' today. Therefore is the value of learning the Greek and Latin inestimable. Each man is endowed with reason, but not every man is honest.

 

[Shutterbug]

Having the spent the past few weeks listening to Islamic apologists both quote and rip apart the Bible, it can be discouraging to learn that discrepencies do exist. Please don't misunderstand my intentions as I believe the Bible to be true overall meaning it isn't false in any way.

Here is an example of what can be problematic:

2Sa 6:23
Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2Sa 21:8
But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

The King James and the American Standard say Michal while the others say Merab.

1Sa 18:19
But it came to pass at the time when Merab Saul's daughter should have been given to David, that she was given unto Adriel the Meholathite to wife.

It's unfortunate that a disciple of Jesus will be on the defensive if such accusations are made. The only defense is to understand the message without getting caught up in nit picking details which can derail one's faith and witness pretty quick. Jesus never abandons his own, so don't be discouraged. For the record, many Muslims have little understanding of the Quran which had undergone revisions in its early days with much of Surah 33 eaten by a goat and forever lost. So much for a book that Allah has forever preserved. True story.