False teacher, prophets and doctrines.. again.

[Brother Paul]

May I remind everyone (including myself) to try to keep with the thread as it was started? (the OP)

Thank you.

Yes! False prophets! Thanks Bear. We have many types today. Many claiming to be Christians but they do not do nor have ever done as Jesus did. Many are selling the word for huge profits and do nothing to help those in their pews, and then there are those who are children of Belial (a liar and murderer from the beginning) getting angry and wanting in their hearts to kill everyone that disagrees. Outwardly they appear to be squeaky clean, but their fruit is against that which Jesus preached and represented. IMHO all we can do is live the life (be as Christ) before them, and do as He would do, and those that will, will come around. Hate the sin, not the sinners! While we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly.

 

[Rhema]

but the whole woke controversy is very recent

It may seem that way, but such teaching has been building within the liberal arts colleges and universities for decades until it now can finally and openly assert it's views in the broad light of day.

I recall such views starting to find a footing when I was back in college circa the mid 70's. Since it had no direct impact on my life for many years, I (like most the rest here?) just ignored it and moved on.

The true klaxon warning (believe it or not) was given by George Carlin (of all people) when he was censored from saying certain jokes on the woke liberal campuses in the early 2000s. I recall an interview where he said he was shaken to the core at being censored (on liberal campuses !!) and realized then that we were in trouble. ( I heard it on radio, so don't really have a supporting link to post.)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The kingdoms of this world are run by Belial.

Why do people not actually believe this verse?

(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

That always just blows my mind.

Rhema
(PS, please, oh please realize that this was not meant as an accusation. I think we've just really lost both understanding and faith in that verse.)

 

[Rhema]

May I remind everyone (including myself) to try to keep with the thread as it was started? (the OP)

Thank you.

And the sign said the Words of the Prophets are written on the subway walls
(and tenement halls)
... and whispered in the sounds

of silence...



( I know the group is controversial, but give the following video a chance... it unearths the core essence of this song.)

And if I need to explain why I believe this fits with the OP, I will....)

 

[Brother Paul]

It may seem that way, but such teaching has been building within the liberal arts colleges and universities for decades until it now can finally and openly assert it's views in the broad light of day.

I recall such views starting to find a footing when I was back in college circa the mid 70's. Since it had no direct impact on my life for many years, I (like most the rest here?) just ignored it and moved on.

The true klaxon warning (believe it or not) was given by George Carlin (of all people) when he was censored from saying certain jokes on the woke liberal campuses in the early 2000s. I recall an interview where he said he was shaken to the core at being censored (on liberal campuses !!) and realized then that we were in trouble. ( I heard it on radio, so don't really have a supporting link to post.)

Rhema

Right! WOKE was not here until recently (a term man made up) but ultra-liberal post Darwinian persuasion was already in play decades ago. Good points Rhema

 

[Brother Paul]

Why do people not actually believe this verse?

(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

That always just blows my mind.

Rhema
(PS, please, oh please realize that this was not meant as an accusation. I think we've just really lost both understanding and faith in that verse.)

i believe it but I also believe Luke 4:6.. So is this a contradiction? No! A human who was given dominion and a free will gave over their dominion to Belial (the Serpent). and Jesus accomplished relinquishing his power and authority (Genesis 3:15) and took over but He will not fully make it our reality until the Parousia (second coming)

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Why do people not actually believe this verse?

Ephesians 2:2-4, Satan is the ruler of the world. He got to tempt Yeshua by offering all the nations to him because he had those nations. Yeshua came to RECLAIM these lost nations from Satan by the authority that was given to Him, but this mission is not accomplished yet until the gospel is preached to all nations, and all the lost sheep of Israel are found. When it's accomplished, He will return.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

It may seem that way, but such teaching has been building within the liberal arts colleges and universities for decades until it now can finally and openly assert it's views in the broad light of day.

I recall such views starting to find a footing when I was back in college circa the mid 70's. Since it had no direct impact on my life for many years, I (like most the rest here?) just ignored it and moved on.

The true klaxon warning (believe it or not) was given by George Carlin (of all people) when he was censored from saying certain jokes on the woke liberal campuses in the early 2000s. I recall an interview where he said he was shaken to the core at being censored (on liberal campuses !!) and realized then that we were in trouble. ( I heard it on radio, so don't really have a supporting link to post.)

Rhema

Yes, commies have been cultivating evil in these colleges for decades, "wokeness"is but the fruit of that. Those millennials have guaduated from these colleges and entered into workforce, meanwhile the boomers and Gen Xers are retiring. When Obama took over the white house, he brought a lot of them into Washington, and over the past one and a half decade they slowly but surely occupied all kinds of institutions, including many churches. There have been a lot of concerns raised on this shift, but these voices were ignored and dismissed. The conventional wisdom was, once they get a taste of real life, they'll get rid of their wokeness and come to senses, after all, that was the experience of a lot of hippie boomers, and that includes a lot of faithful parishioners from the church. But obviously that is proven to be terribly wrong, isn't it. Satan is like a lion seeking to devour, we simply can't afford to have this attitude of complacency any more.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes! False prophets! Thanks Bear. We have many types today. Many claiming to be Christians but they do not do nor have ever done as Jesus did. Many are selling the word for huge profits and do nothing to help those in their pews, and then there are those who are children of Belial (a liar and murderer from the beginning) getting angry and wanting in their hearts to kill everyone that disagrees. Outwardly they appear to be squeaky clean, but their fruit is against that which Jesus preached and represented. IMHO all we can do is live the life (be as Christ) before them, and do as He would do, and those that will, will come around. Hate the sin, not the sinners! While we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly.

My point is, this is like cancer that has been lurking and developing mainly in the academia, but now it has metastasized to all facets of life, it's a whole new ballgame, and there's no turning back to the good ole days as many Laodiceans thought it would be. False teachers and prophets are rising, and the internet just gives them a platform to reach more audience then ever before.

 

[Brother Paul]

Ephesians 2:2-4, Satan is the ruler of the world. He got to tempt Yeshua by offering all the nations to him because he had those nations. Yeshua came to RECLAIM these lost nations from Satan by the authority that was given to Him, but this mission is not accomplished yet until the gospel is preached to all nations, and all the lost sheep of Israel are found. When it's accomplished, He will return.

Amen

 

[Rhema]

i believe it but I also believe Luke 4:6.. So is this a contradiction? No!

I never said it was. Luke 4:6 is before the Resurrection. Matthew is after.

A human who was given dominion and a free will gave over their dominion to Belial (the Serpent).

I've heard that said before, but nobody was ever able to provide scriptural support. (Maybe you could start a thread. Thanks.)

but He will not fully make it our reality until the Parousia (second coming)

I've likely heard something similar, but again, what scriptural support do you have that Matthew 28:18 is "not reality until..."?

The text is not written in the future tense, and the import of Jesus words is NOW... not later.

παρουσία (parousia) just means presence, but you changed the definition to "second coming." (Curious.)

I provide a link to the Liddell Scott Lexicon.

Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, παρουσ-ία

www.perseus.tufts.edu

Is Jesus not present in those believers who have been truly baptized in the Holy Spirit?

There have been many teachers who have created all sorts of "second coming" scenarios without really understanding the context of Jesus' teachings.

This is likely something Jesus had warned about.

Thank you,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Ephesians 2:2-4, Satan is the ruler of the world.

Not according to the Gospel named Matthew.

But let's review the scripture you think nullifies the words of Jesus.

(Ephesians 2:2 KJV) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:​

Indeed, there are children of disobedience, but why do you let that happen? Jesus has power/authority over all the earth, and that would include this "prince" you seem to think is more powerful. (I'm speechless.)

In addition, the author of Ephesians was speaking about IN TIME PAST.... so what happened?

He got to tempt Yeshua by offering all the nations to him because he had those nations.

(Sigh.)

That was BEFORE the Resurrection. That was BEFORE Mat. 28:18. Why do I constantly run into Christians who think that the early encounter Jesus had with Satan trumps the very words of Christ?

Like I said... I'm puzzled.

Rhema

 

[Brother Paul]

My point is, this is like cancer that has been lurking and developing mainly in the academia, but now it has metastasized to all facets of life, it's a whole new ballgame, and there's no turning back to the good ole days as many Laodiceans thought it would be. False teachers and prophets are rising, and the internet just gives them a platform to reach more audience then ever before.

I agree!

I never said it was. Luke 4:6 is before the Resurrection. Matthew is after.


I've heard that said before, but nobody was ever able to provide scriptural support. (Maybe you could start a thread. Thanks.)


I've likely heard something similar, but again, what scriptural support do you have that Matthew 28:18 is "not reality until..."?

The text is not written in the future tense, and the import of Jesus words is NOW... not later.

παρουσία (parousia) just means presence, but you changed the definition to "second coming." (Curious.)

I provide a link to the Liddell Scott Lexicon.

Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, παρουσ-ία

www.perseus.tufts.edu

Is Jesus not present in those believers who have been truly baptized in the Holy Spirit?

There have been many teachers who have created all sorts of "second coming" scenarios without really understanding the context of Jesus' teachings.

This is likely something Jesus had warned about.

Thank you,
Rhema

Well let me more clear. I only used "second coming" because that is what most refer to it as. In the Scriptures most translators use the term "coming" when this is inferred.

Now having said that, He is my King and Yours and we respond to and respect His authority, but most (even now, after the resurrection) do not, and He is NOT Lord for them (Belial is). He sits on the throne for you and I, but like Satan "Self" is on the throne of theirs. It is written that when He returns (when He comes and every eye shall see it) He will set up His Kingdom. So right now, the god of this world blinds the minds of those who will not believe. So technically He has overcome sin, sickness, and death, but tho light has come into the world, humans in general still prefer the darkness.

So all power and authority has been given Him and He has chosen to make it undeniable to all at the Parousia when He comes to rule as King over all the earth. Why has He chosen this timing? I know not but it is as He describes and I trust His judgment.

 

[Rhema]

Yes, commies have been cultivating evil in these colleges for decades,

"commies" ???

Interesting.

I'm tempted to ask if you've ever actually read the Communist Manifesto. (I have a copy on my shelf, ... next to the US Constitution of course.)

hippie boomers

"hippie boomers" ???

What an amazing selection of rhetoric. Do you know who wrote the "Pledge of Allegiance" (to the flag) and why?

You might find the facts very interesting (including the fact that until WWII the Boy Scouts of America used the "Nazi" salute arm gesture when reciting the pledge).

we simply can't afford to have this attitude of complacency any more.

So get yer Jesus guns and shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out ???

I jest, of course, but you haven't really been specific in what actions you deem necessary to take.

Maybe we should start stoning these false prophets.
(Where would you start?)

Maybe a thread... Start a thread?

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

It is written that when He returns He will set up His Kingdom

You didn't say where. Where is it written?

Thanks,
(More later.)
Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I've likely heard something similar, but again, what scriptural support do you have that Matthew 28:18 is "not reality until..."?

The text is not written in the future tense, and the import of Jesus words is NOW... not later.

παρουσία (parousia) just means presence, but you changed the definition to "second coming." (Curious.)

I provide a link to the Liddell Scott Lexicon.
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, παρουσ-ία
Is Jesus not present in those believers who have been truly baptized in the Holy Spirit?

There have been many teachers who have created all sorts of "second coming" scenarios without really understanding the context of Jesus' teachings.

This is likely something Jesus had warned about.

Thank you,
Rhema

You do realize that the CONTEXT of that verse is known as the GREAT COMMISSION, right? You're right that Yeshua's words is NOW because that was the start. His work was finished on the cross, His disciples' work had just started. However, this Great Commission is definitely close to the end. We're living in the end times.

 

[Rhema]

at the Parousia when He comes to rule as King over all the earth.

I'm not sure you understand the word "parousia." (It does not mean "second coming.")

You hadn't looked at the entry in the Lexicon, had you.

Your quick reply certainly indicates that no in depth thought was made.

But thanks anyway,
Rhema

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
(Matthew 10:8 KJV)

But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
(Matthew 12:28 KJV)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mark 16:15-18 KJV)

But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
(Luke 11:20 KJV)

(The Kingdom is here now, Brother Paul..... ALL the Earth.)

 

[Rhema]

You do realize that the CONTEXT of that verse is known as the GREAT COMMISSION, right?

Technically, that's a misuse of the word "context," although I am aware that said passage is labeled "The Great Commission."

His disciples' work had just started.

And yet it will get nowhere unless one has a deep faith that indeed ALL power / authority had been (in the past) given to Jesus.

The best way to nullify that power is to get "believers" to think it speaks about the future.

I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
(Luke 18:8 KJV)

Where is the believer that has faith in Matthew 28:18 ?
If the world fails, it ain't Satan's fault.

We're living in the end times.

As every generation since the time of Christ has believed.

Where are these "end times" prophets now? Where is Harold Camping, and his ilk?

To be truthful, I've not met anyone, no pastor, no prophet, no evangelist who truly understand what will trigger the Second Coming.

So ... how do YOU know?

God bless,
Rhema

(I mean you seem so sure... yes?)

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Not according to the Gospel named Matthew.

But let's review the scripture you think nullifies the words of Jesus.

(Ephesians 2:2 KJV) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Indeed, there are children of disobedience, but why do you let that happen? Jesus has power/authority over all the earth, and that would include this "prince" you seem to think is more powerful. (I'm speechless.)

In addition, the author of Ephesians was speaking about IN TIME PAST.... so what happened?

This is a letter written to the Ephesian Church, it might be "in times past" to them, Satan might no longer have dominion over them, but what about the rest of the world? Again, this goes back to the Great Commission, it was NOT automatically accomplished when Yeshua declared that all authority was given to him. We the church are commissioned to reclaim the lost nations which are STILL under Satan's dominion - by the authority given to Yeshua, and He will return to collect these nations when the job is done.

Oh, and by the way, you wanna know what happened to the Ephesian Church in particular? Go read Acts 18:18-28 and Rev. 2:1-7.I'm speechless that this church has lost its first love for Christ, why is that?

(Sigh.)

That was BEFORE the Resurrection. That was BEFORE Mat. 28:18. Why do I constantly run into Christians who think that the early encounter Jesus had with Satan trumps the very words of Christ?

Like I said... I'm puzzled.

Rhema

I'm pretty sure that this letter to the Ephesian Church was written AFTER Matthew 28:18, is it not? Yes, the word of God trumps Satan, but not until you bring the word into Satan's domain and trump him with the word. This is the attitude of complacency I'm talking about, pretending that all is fine and dandy while there's work still to be done.

 

[PloughBoy]

This is a letter written to the Ephesian Church, it might be "in times past" to them, Satan might no longer have dominion over them, but what about the rest of the world? Again, this goes back to the Great Commission, it was NOT automatically accomplished when Yeshua declared that all authority was given to him. We the church are commissioned to reclaim the lost nations which are STILL under Satan's dominion - by the authority given to Yeshua, and He will return to collect these nations when the job is done.

Oh, and by the way, you wanna know what happened to the Ephesian Church in particular? Go read Acts 18:18-28 and Rev. 2:1-7.I'm speechless that this church has lost its first love for Christ, why is that?



I'm pretty sure that this letter to the Ephesian Church was written AFTER Matthew 28:18, is it not? Yes, the word of God trumps Satan, but not until you bring the word into Satan's domain and trump him with the word. This is the attitude of complacency I'm talking about, pretending that all is fine and dandy while there's work still to be done.

Just a little note of Questions: Who created Satan and all of the angels? Who is SATAN's "LORD"? Who have given Satan His powers? And Who will Bound Satan and will lock him up for a thousand years? And who do Satan obey's,? "according to the Bible"? No explanations, just a plain ordinary answer. If not, I can.

5 questions:
1. Who created Satan and all the angels?
2. Who is Satan's "LORD"?
3. Who have given SATAN's POWER TO HIM"?
4. Who Will Bound Satan And Lock Him Up For A Thousand Years.?
5. And who do Satan obey's?