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FBI raid Trumps Mar-a-lago home

Trump Lawyer: Garland's Depiction of Mar-a-Lago Events Inaccurate​

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“Attorney General Merrick Garland's claims that former President Donald Trump's attorneys were provided with copies of the search warrant and property receipt and that the attorneys were on-site during the FBI search are untrue, Trump lawyer Alina Habba told Newsmax.

When Trump's legal team in Florida first came on the premises of Mar-a-Lago on Monday during the surprise raid, they were not given the warrants, Habba told "Rob Schmitt Tonight" guest host Carl Higbie.

"They asked for a copy. They wouldn't hand it to them," she said. "And if anything was given to them, it was not until after the search.

Habba said she's never heard of such a scenario during a search, and certainly not of attorneys being told to leave the premises and not being permitted to watch the search to ensure everything was handled appropriately.”
 

Donald Trump: All Documents Seized by FBI Were ‘Declassified’ and ‘All They Had to Do Was Ask’​

Thanks for sharing that sister,

What do you make of this?



And this,





My understanding is that they are saying that Trump signed an act making it a felony to not return documents regardless of classification.


It states:

"Trump signed the bill, which made changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, into law in January 2018.

It upgraded the seriousness of wrongly moving classified material, turning it from a misdemeanor into a felony —

and increasing the maximum sentence to five years, up from one.

Moss noted that it was passed after Trump's relentless attacks during the 2016 presidential campaign on Hillary Clinton,

who was being investigated over whether she mishandled classified information.

Clinton was never charged in that case, but it is now Trump who is under pressure. "
 
The law that Trump signed reads

"Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing,
willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined"
$2,000, up to three years in prison or "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."


He signed it in hopes that if Hillary was charged, she would get a stiff penalty for her crimes.
Now it looks like that might be used against him.
 
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Just to add my two cents to this.
One has to remember that the President has the authority to declassify documents that he has in his possession.
So, though they might believe he is in possession of classified material, it might not be so if he had declassified the documents in question. That is if there are documents in question that were found and not planted.

I question this because not allowing the Former President's lawyers to be present when they were gathering and boxing materials they removed, much less to see what they were bringing in with them (back packs) leaves many questions as to authenticity of the FBI's actions in executing the warrant in question which more than likely was legal, if not necessarily ethical considering that it has never been done with any other president in history.

Do I trust the Government to be above board in their actions towards anything that has to do with the Former President? Nope. History shows that even before 2016 when Former President Trump was elected, they were doing whatever possible to discredit him. That of course includes not just the Democratic party/operatives, but also the FBI. This is not conjecture, but has been shown from the Steel Dosier, to just about everything else under the sun that they could come up with to impeach him during his presidency.

We shall see, but I honestly believe that the Democrats have overplayed their hand with this action. I believe their numbers for the November Election were improving due to the Abortion issue, but now you have this which has pushed that subject out of the news and into the back pages if that. Adding to the interest is that President Biden, and Congresswoman Pelosi are out of town so that they won't have to answer questions on the subject, which will only prolong it, because the questions aren't going away and will be waiting for them when they get back. I would say that it's pretty convenient of them, and by the way where is the VP??? :cool:

Come Lord Jesus, Come!!!
Though that means it will be getting worse, much worse!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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This seems serious, they are going full force,


"Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for potential violations of the Espionage Act and additional statutes relating to obstruction of justice and destroying federal government records, according to the search warrant"
 
He knew this could happen, with those in power looking to make him unable to be re-elected, it might work. Doesnt matter if its lies or not, and any supposed evidence may have been planted. Its in the Lords Hands.
 
He knew this could happen, with those in power looking to make him unable to be re-elected, it might work. Doesnt matter if its lies or not, and any supposed evidence may have been planted. Its in the Lords Hands.

It always was in God's hands.

God has never stopped being sovereign and never will.

We can always rejoice with Jesus on the throne. No matter what life throws our way.


As Christians we are suppose to be a people of Joy and a people of hope, although sometimes

in this world when I think of somethings happening I get sad, like the LGBT+ agenda, etc, etc, etc,

but I'm reminded that I need to stay joyful because if I represent Christ, I want to world to see the joy

we have in Christ so that the world will want that joy too.
 
Clinton was never charged in that case, but it is now Trump who is under pressure. "
And do you think these liberal Democrats will let Trump slide on the same charges? I think not. They will try to destroy the man, as they have been trying to destroy the man ever since Trump got elected; as they also fear he might get re-elected.

When you have a clear bias in judgment, it is called using different weights and measures in judgment, which is an ABOMINATION to God.

Leviticus 19:35
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.

Deuteronomy 25:15
But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Proverbs 20:10
Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the Lord.
 
I see this as a politically motivated move, by a corrupt government trying to destroy it’s political opponents by weaponizing certain branches of government in order to destroy all those that oppose them.

What do you think?

I see it as Criminally motivated (and I am not a Democrat). He took documents from the White House and the National Archives that contained a lot of sensitive data. Without proper authorization he took them home. Witnesses he hired saw hom destroying documents and flush some down the toilet, He was issued a Subpoena 3 months ago to return all these documents and had he complied (which was his legal obligation and part of his Constitutional Oath to obey this process). Had he done so this would not even be an issue.

However, because he is as Lindsay Graham originally stated, a malignant Narcissist who believes (as they do) that they should have absolute authority, former President Trump refused and sent them SOME, from which the Trump appointed Head of the FBI found sufficient evidence to convince a Trump Appointed Judge to issue a warrant and they have found 11 additional packets of sensitive material (illegal for him to possess).

So now hoovered people, who have become what Psychology calls Flying Monkeys (a condition similar to Stockholm Sydrome), want us to believe this continuous adulterer, fraudulent, party buddy of Jeff Epstein for 20 years guy, who even NOW, against the Constitution wants all U.S. generals to be so loyal to only him that he compares what he wants to the Nazi generals of WWII.

Now this is not "political" it is actual. He is NOT "the chosen one" even though they cast a golden image of him. He is NOT sent by God and by definition in the Bible he is a Goat. So No...it is Criminally motivated not politically and just as if you or I were to have dome this, he MUST be charged, arrested, and tried, however being rich and connected, he will probably never see a day in jail (that is the way the mammon system works).
 
Judge Who OKd FBI Raid Had Links to Jeffrey Epstein

This judge sounds like a real winner. (Not)

Stew...you have been duped AGAIN. No he did not. The FOX anchor intentionally photoshopped this picture and got BUSTED again *he has done this more than once) Sean Hannity even called him out on it. No this Judge (appointed by Trump) was never a party buddy of Jeff Epstein, however the adulterous Trump was for nearly 20 years (along with Leon Black, Bill Clinton, Roger Stone, Woody Allen, and others). You have been lied to and deceived, and I am not a democrat.

Now if in fact I misunderstood this and you actually were saying "It's a Fake" then I apologize, but it is another FOX fake.
 
Honest question,

If they had sufficient evidence that he took classified materials from the White house (which is a crime)

(This article was posted in February)

then what is the problem with the law enforcement (FBI), enforcing the law?

Obviously it is a politically high official, but no one should be above the law, yes?

Absolutely! The law should apply equally to all.
 
Considering this search is like 6 months after he may have taken something, seems like a slow process to me.

They issued a subpoena for him to return the docs over 3 months ago and had he complied as was his legal obligation for a crime that was against his Constitutional Oath we would not even be having these discussions. Now he did return some but these were incriminating.

But, after witness (people he hired) keeping with their legal obligations, reported having seen him destroying documents (a felony) and flushing others down the toilet, the Trump appointed Director of the FBI saw sufficient evidence to go to a Judge (that is a serious matter) so he chose a Trump appointed Judge (who was photoshopped by Fox as Sean Hannity has pointed out) who agreed that there was sufficient evidence, and that even a President (especially a President) cannot do this, so he issued a Warrant (a no-knock warrant so ex-President Trump could not destroy more or hide them)

When he originally refused to comply, if it was political, he would have been arrested for obstruction, but he was not because he committed a Federal Crime and violated his Constitutional Oath (not that he supported the Constitution wanting absolute authority and recently calling the U.S. Generals to show the same kind of loyalty to him as the Nazi generals of WWII). This continuously adulterous, financially fraudulent, 20 year party buddy of Sex-trafficker Jeff Epstein only cares about himself. This self glorifying rich man does not care about the Lazarus's all around him. He is NOT a good Samaritan and NOT the chosen one, he is a goat. Now know this, I am not a Democrat so do not go there. Truth is truth not what someone tells you it is (Dem or Repub)
 
Why put on fake news channel? Are they starting to speak the truth?

And FOX is better? Ah ha ha ha...Ah ha ha ha! They just got busted for lying again, not by CNN or MSNBC but the lying photoshopping anchor got busted by Sean Hannity, it was like when Laura Ingrahm busted Sean lying about the numbers of votes (Sean twice claimed more people voted than were registered and so many morons and the gullible fell for it (ah ha ha ha). Laura one night unwittingly pointed out that there were over 200 million registered voters and only around 154 million voted (Ah ha ha ha).
 
Greetings all,

may I ask what all this has to do with TalkJesus and the forums?

I understand that we can get caught up in the worldly politics as they come and go and change year after year but we are here to discuss Jesus and the Bible, not media coverage of politics, surely?

[please do not reply to this - but do please think about it]


Bless you ....><>
 
And do you think these liberal Democrats will let Trump slide on the same charges? I think not. They will try to destroy the man, as they have been trying to destroy the man ever since Trump got elected; as they also fear he might get re-elected.

When you have a clear bias in judgment, it is called using different weights and measures in judgment, which is an ABOMINATION to God.

Leviticus 19:35
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.

Deuteronomy 25:15
But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Proverbs 20:10
Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the Lord.
totally not the same charges, and not even comparable, she was tried in Republican court during Trumps Presidency and they did not find sufficient evidence (and she actually fully cooperated, and I know she got rid of evidence but we could not prove it) I am no fan of Hillary (would not vote for her) but truth is truth not what someone says it is (Dem or Repuib)
 
totally not the same charges, and not even comparable, she was tried in Republican court during Trumps Presidency and they did not find sufficient evidence (and she actually fully cooperated, and I know she got rid of evidence but we could not prove it) I am no fan of Hillary (would not vote for her) but truth is truth not what someone says it is (Dem or Repuib)
It is the same scenario, and Clinton was never tried in court because the corrupt FBI and the corrupt James Comey would not bring charges.
 
It is the same scenario, and Clinton was never tried in court because the corrupt FBI and the corrupt James Comey would not bring charges.
I stand corrected, the word "tried" was incorrect, it should have been "investigated" and yes she was (and again I would still not vote for her).
 
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