future vaccine becoming the Mark of the Beast foretold of in the Book of Revelation

[Brother-Paul]

Here again are the two options...

First, The blessed state of all true Christians: He that believes on the Son hath everlasting life. Note,
1. It is the character of every true Christian that he believes on the Son of God; not only believes him, that what he saith is true, but believes on him, consents to him, and confides in him. The benefit of true Christianity is no less than everlasting life; this is what Christ came to purchase for us and confer upon us; it can be no less than the happiness of an immortal soul in an immortal God.

2. True believers, even now, have everlasting life; not only they shall have it hereafter, but they have it now. For,
(1.) They have very good security for it. The deed by which it passeth is sealed and delivered to them, and so they have it; it is put into the hands of their guardian for them, and so they have it, though the use be not yet transferred into possession. They have the Son of God, and in him they have life; and the Spirit of God, the earnest of this life.
(2.) They have the comfortable foretastes of it, in present communion with God and the tokens of his love. Grace is glory begun.

Secondly, The wretched and miserable condition of unbelievers: He that believeth not the Son is undone, ho apeithōn. The word includes both incredulity and disobedience. An unbeliever is one that gives not credit to the doctrine of Christ, nor is in subjection to the government of Christ. Now those that will neither be taught nor ruled by Christ,

1. They cannot be happy in this world, nor that to come: He shall not see life, that life which Christ came to bestow. He shall not enjoy it, he shall not have any comfortable prospect of it, shall never come within ken of it, except to aggravate his loss of it.

2. They cannot but be miserable: The wrath of God abides upon an unbeliever. He is not only under the wrath of God, which is as surely the soul's death as his favour is its life, but it abides upon him. All the wrath he has made himself liable to by the violation of the law, if not removed by the grace of the gospel, is bound upon him. God's wrath for his daily actual transgressions lights and lies upon him. Old scores lie undischarged, and new ones are added: something is done every day to fill the measure, and nothing to empty it. Thus the wrath of God abides, for it is treasured up against the day of wrath.
Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible.

He that believeth and He that believeth not.

We all have the same choice.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Here again are the two options...

• The categories of men.
"He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).

We put men into many categories. But the Gospel puts men into only two categories.

First, the determiner of categories. "Believeth... believeth not." Faith in Jesus Christ or lack of it determines in which category you are.

Second, the nature of the categories. "Not condemned... condemned already." The two categories have to do with our eternal standing before God. Those who do not believe in Jesus Christ will be condemned. Those who believe in Christ will not be condemned.


• The condemnation of mankind.
"This is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil" (John 3:19).

Mankind is severely condemned in this text. Three significant reasons are given for this condemnation.

First, the favor for men. "Light is come into the world." This speaks of Jesus Christ coming into the world. No greater favor was ever given mankind than Jesus coming into the world to save sinners. Therefore, great is the condemnation of mankind, for it despises the greatest Divine favor ever given man.

Second, the fondness of men. "Men loved darkness rather than light." Men love sin more than righteousness. The laws being made in our land reveal this preference of man. This fondness of evil is "because their deeds were evil" Sin begets sin. When you do evil you will love evil not righteousness. But this fondness for evil greatly condemns mankind.

Third, the foulness of men. "Their deeds were evil." Man has lived a foul life because he has not lived according to God's standards. This condemns man, too.


• The character of the wicked.
This text exposes evil.

First, the animosity to the light. "Every one that doeth evil hateth the light" (John 3:20). Evil men are not in love with Jesus Christ. Some boast of their love for Christ but their evil life betrays their claim as false. This animosity is related to the previous verse in the fact that "men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil." Those who love darkness certainly do not love the light.

Second, the avoidance of the light. "Neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved" (John 3:20). This explains a lot of absenteeism at church.

• The contrast to righteousness.

Wicked people are a contrast to the righteous.

First, the conduct in the contrast. The righteous "doeth truth" (John 3:21), but the wicked "doeth evil" (John 3:20). Those who follow Christ act better than those who don't.

Second, the crowd in the contrast. "He" (John 3:21). "He" is only one compared to "everyone" of John 3:20 that "doeth evil." This reflects the fact that the righteous are greatly outnumbered by the unrighteous. The righteous' crowd is small.

Third, the compassion in the contrast. The righteous "cometh to the light" (John 3:21). The wicked "neither cometh to the light" (John 3:20). Where one goes shows one's affection. Christ receivers love the light. So they love the Word, church, and holy things.

Fourth, the confirmation in the contrast. Righteous people come to the light that their "deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:21). Evil men avoid the light lest their "deeds should be reproved" (John 3:20). but good people seek the light for vindication of their character. The righteous do not come to the light to have an ego trip and secure praise for themselves—that is not what this verse means—rather, they come to the light that they may be approved of God.
Analytical Bible Expositor - John.

 

[Reba1]

God doesn't give some the Free Gift of salvation and not others, we are all born in sin, we are all in need of a saviour, he doesn't want any to be lost, but we remain lost souls until we accept Jesus, repent and be born again. All those not born again are condemned already, 'for everyone practicing evil [sin] hates the light [Jesus] and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.'

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


" God doesn't give everyone the Free Gift of salvation but he does call and he does offer it to the lost in this world. The choice is ours, life or death. " Man is not on equal or above God . We disagree on the choice. When was your name written in the Lamb's book of Life?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


" God doesn't give everyone the Free Gift of salvation but he does call and he does offer it to the lost in this world. The choice is ours, life or death. " Man is not on equal or above God . We disagree on the choice. When was your name written in the Lamb's book of Life?

Please explain what you are thinking here Reba.

Using scripture but commenting in your own words what you believe from the scriptures mentioned.

 

[Sue D.]

Sounds like you are more into debating a point than understanding Scripture.

As has been commented on previously -- salvation is the Most important decision a person can make. There is a tendency to want Scripture to agree with Us, Rather than 'us' agreeing with Scripture.

 

[Reba1]

Please explain what you are thinking here Reba.

Using scripture but commenting in your own words what you believe from the scriptures mentioned.

I am not good with words but i will try ... We know Jesus is an equal part of the God Head we agree on that point . He says He will loose nothing so He means He will loose nothing . We know He is speaking of us , His followers, Christians how ever we wish to phrase it.. because He then says He will raise us up. To me it is as simple as when Mom said "Because I said so " to me this quote of Jesus is clear. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: IF God dont draw ya ,you are condemned . According to scripture we are dead in sin .. we do not make oursleves alive we cant He does...
Like i said i do not write well ..

 

[Brother-Paul]

As has been commented on previously -- salvation is the Most important decision a person can make. There is a tendency to want Scripture to agree with Us, Rather than 'us' agreeing with Scripture.

So true Sue

Your statement covers it well... salvation is the Most important decision a person can make

Shalom

 

[Reba1]

Sounds like you are more into debating a point than understanding Scripture.

As has been commented on previously -- salvation is the Most important decision a person can make. There is a tendency to want Scripture to agree with Us, Rather than 'us' agreeing with Scripture.

The same could be said about most everyone.. Asking for the 5th time where does the resurrection fit into your understanding of 'end times'

 

[Samson2020]

The choice is ours, life or death.

Eph 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will."

The one question that seems to be missing here is why are people that are sinners destined to sin or be disobedient? The Mystery of Iniquity?
1 Peter 2:8 " And a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being DISOBEDIENT: WHEREUNTO THEY ALSO
WERE APPOINTED."

Now if the master potter appointed them to be disobedient then how can he punish them for what they were appointed by him to do?
And if appointed then how can they change their situation unless God show mercy to them?

Romans 9:16 " So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that showeth mercy."
Romans 9:18 " Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens."

I don't really see anywhere that either the sinner or the saved have a choice in this matter as he decides according to His will who will be called. Thus His elect.

1 Co 15:21 "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead."
22 "For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE."
23 "But EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER..........................."

The simplicity of the gospel is that Jesus died for the sin of the world, but that God matures those whom he calls with sin against them in order to perfect them.
Just as Jesus was perfected by the things that he suffered, so are we.
This means that he appoints most to disobedience that our faith should be tested and perfected in a dark world of sin and unbelief.
This does not qualify anyone to an eternal torment because of his choice, rather it was the sacrifice of Jesus that guaranteed that ALL men
would come to resurrected life as 1 Co 15:22 states.
Adam brought death and condemnation into the world, and Jesus brought resurrected life into the world.
As in Adam all die. In the flesh because of sin they die, but because of the righteousness of Jesus' act of sacrifice they will eventually receive life and be made alive
in Christ when God shows those whom he appointed to be disobedient,and unbelievers, MERCY. Just as he has all whom he has called so far.

Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy on all."
Gal 3:22 "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise BY FAITH of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe."
Eph 2:8 " For by grace are ye saved through FAITH, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

We conclude then that God must have mercy on those he appointed to disobedience whether it be you or me or any one in order to change them into believers.
And as he hath sent ALL into condemnation and unbelief he also will have mercy on ALL 1 Co 15:23 states, EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER.

 

[Reba1]

To my understanding mankind thinking he has Salvation on his lips does a disservice to the Word. We will simply repeat and repeat our points. Some folks believe salvation is in their words i do not. Yet as double talk as it may sound i was just as saved when i believed as you do.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I am not good with words but i will try ... We know Jesus is an equal part of the God Head we agree on that point . He says He will loose nothing so He means He will loose nothing . We know He is speaking of us , His followers, Christians how ever we wish to phrase it.. because He then says He will raise us up. To me it is as simple as when Mom said "Because I said so " to me this quote of Jesus is clear. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: IF God dont draw ya ,you are condemned . According to scripture we are dead in sin .. we do not make oursleves alive we cant He does...
Like i said i do not write well ..

Thank you for your comments Reba, this helps us together to seek to find where the difference in views lays.

Can I discuss this first, you said... IF God dont draw ya ,you are condemned .

But God doesn't want to lose any souls, true. So if he doesn't want to lose any soul, so why would he not call and draw all to Him.

The clue I feel Reba, I welcome comments from others also is in the word 'draw'. Two small words, 'call' and 'draw'

God calls all, because he doesn't want any to be lost.

God does not claim a soul, he draws the lost soul to Him.

Then as I listed, then followed on with a number of commentaries, good commentaries, we see two camps. The saved soul and the unsaved souls.

But as stated, God DOES NOT WANT ANY TO BE LOST, he calls all and with the Holy Spirit he draws us to Christ, to The Word, to the Free Gift of salvation. We say gift because that is what it is, not a physical gift, it is a spiritual gift, but because God CALLS and DRAWS the lost souls, he doesn't make us believe, that would not be very loving of Him, so we have a choice.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts Reba, we are brothers and sisters in Christ, we share and encourage one another.

Regarding your second comment, we are dead in sin, only if we are not alive in Christ. The unsaved are dead in sin, unless they repent and accept Jesus, they remain lost souls. God can draw them but in His Love and Mercy he will not make them accept Jesus.

Bless you

 

[Brother-Paul]

To my understanding mankind thinking he has Salvation on his lips does a disservice to the Word. We will simply repeat and repeat our points. Some folks believe salvation is in their words i do not. Yet as double talk as it may sound i was just as saved when i believed as you do.

Hi Reba

I was saved the moment I accepted Jesus into my heart, I repented of all my sins, confirmed my faith in Him, with my lips and from my heart. It took a long time to get to that point, God had called me, I rejected His call, God was drawing me by His Holy Spirit until eventually I gave in, I gave my all to my creator, my God, my Lord and Saviour.

The moment I repented and accept Jesus into my heart, was the moment I accepted the gift God had for me, salvation through Jesus Christ, who died for my sins, who shed his blood for my sins.

It is the same gift offered to all, we either repent and accept the Spirit of Christ into our hearts and be born again, or we choose not to and pay the price for our sins.

Sue put it well sister when she said... 'salvation is the Most important decision a person can make.'

Bless you

 

[Reba1]

But God doesn't want to lose any souls, true. So if he doesn't want to lose any soul, so why would he not call and draw all to Him.

 

[Sue D.]

The same could be said about most everyone.. Asking for the 5th time where does the resurrection fit into your understanding of 'end times'

And I've shared to the best of my knowledge -- Believers are in a different catagory than non-believers. As a believer, when I die my physical body will be buried or cremated, then when Christ returns for His Church -- If I'm dead, my body will be 'resurrected' from the grave and I'll be with Christ forever. If I'm Alive -- I'll be following the dead who've just Been resurrected -- and , so, all believers dead or live, will meet Jesus in the sky.

Beyond 'this' -- it doesn't really bother me one way or the other.

Unless you're talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ which took place a long time ago.

So -- what exactly are you wanting as a response?

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- God Won't loose any souls. He DOES want All to come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ -- He simply Does know who will and who won't. He alone has the All Knowledge, that we don't. Once a person Does accept Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit Will indwell and Won't leave us until we Are with Jesus Christ. It's eternal security.

 

[Brother-Paul]

1 Co 15:21 "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead."
22 "For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE."
23 "But EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER..........................."

1 Corinthians 15:12-23 (NKJV)
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.

In verses 12-19 Paul considered the consequences if Christ was not risen, but now he reasserts that Christ has indeed risen and is the firstfruits for believers who have fallen asleep (verse 20)

Death came into the world through Adam, but new life and resurrection come in Jesus Christ (verse 21 & 22).

There is a temporal gap between Christ’s resurrection and the resurrection of believers (verse 23) The resurrection of believers will become a reality at the end, when the kingdom is handed over to the Father (verse 24) God puts everything under Christ’s feet, but God himself is not subject to Christ’s rule (verses 25-27). After everything has been subjected to Christ, Christ will subject himself to the Father, and the Father will be all in all (verse 28)

We are not Christ's if we are not born again from above. So it is referring here to the resurrection of believers. Those who have been called, drawn, and who have repented and accepted Jesus as their saviour and Lord. If you reject the call and the drawing by the Holy Spirit you are condemned, no, you have condemned yourself. Scripture clearly states...

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

Let us not forget before this Jesus said, 3 times.

John 3:3-7 (NKJV)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

 

[Samson2020]

You should really read Romans 5 especially vs 18. As this chapter concurs with All be made alive in Christ. 1 Co 15.
As Paul tells us that one offence brought condemnation to all, but that Jesus' act brought justification to the same all no matter how much sin was committed
as his sacrifice covered every sin that was or ever will be committed.
We know that sin has a purpose or it wouldn't exist. This is the part you seem to not understand.
God, in his efforts to have children matured into his likeness requires the experience in good and evil and the knowledge thereof and this is what the condemnation
brought into every persons life.

When He decides to call you out from being an unbeliever, and give you the FAITH necessary to believe then you begin the maturation process.
All things are done according to His timeline and His will. No man, nor angel, or any other being will change what he has already determined.

The sacrifice of the Son of God justified ALL men in the sight of God, that is what Jesus bought for us. You and many others just simply do not understand the
magnitude of the sacrifice and what it purchased for all men.

He is to reconcile ALL things unto himself before he hands over the kingdom to the Father. And ALL things include ALL men.
Death is the last enemy to be destroyed and the only way that happens is when the last man is made alive,(born again) in Christ through the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

God did not start this to fail in any way shape or form, His will is that none should perish and that Jesus should raise them all up at the last day.
When you understand that there are at least 2 dispensations of time then maybe you will be able to see the final picture of ALL alive in Christ.
Until then, from what I see of your writings there is a blinder on called self righteousness and this is what prevents all who claim as you to have accepted
therefore deserve to have the hidden manna hidden from them.
Rev 2:12-17 speaks to this very problem. As does Rev 3:18

 

[Reba1]

@Samson2020 universal salvation is not Scriptural.

 

[Samson2020]

@Samson2020 universal salvation is not Scriptural.

Then explain away Romans 5:18 for starters.
If we can do nothing to earn it, and it has to be given to us, then who is unworthy to receive it, if the price for ALL sin has already been paid?

 

[Reba1]

And I've shared to the best of my knowledge -- Believers are in a different catagory than non-believers. As a believer, when I die my physical body will be buried or cremated, then when Christ returns for His Church -- If I'm dead, my body will be 'resurrected' from the grave and I'll be with Christ forever. If I'm Alive -- I'll be following the dead who've just Been resurrected -- and , so, all believers dead or live, will meet Jesus in the sky.

Beyond 'this' -- it doesn't really bother me one way or the other.

Unless you're talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ which took place a long time ago.

So -- what exactly are you wanting as a response?

I think i am getting what you are saying... Asking if this is correct? You believe the resurrection and rapture are about the same time?