future vaccine becoming the Mark of the Beast foretold of in the Book of Revelation

[Samson2020]

As often as i at one said the same as you i now see how the view i once held put man in control of his ow Salvation .. God is the potter...

It was called self righteousness, the old way you saw it. But once that is overcome the eyes of your understanding see much better. And the view is quite exquisite.

 

[Brother-Paul]

God created the clay.

God created Adam and then we have the fall.

We are all born to sin and need salvation.

The clay is fallen clay Reba, it needs restoring and the restoring of the soul is the free gift from God in Christ Jesus.

The question remains then, dies the clay want restoring or not?

God in His Love and Great Mercy, allowed His one and only son, to suffer death on the cross, shed his blood for our sins.

God gives the gift of salvation to a lost world, we have a choice accept it of pay the consequences

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

God wants every lost soul to be saved, he calls them, they have a choice, the choice determines their destiny, heaven or hell.

God gift is free to all who are willing to take it, the choice is ours, everything else is in God's hands.

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- Guess I missed this post -- am remembering that 'those who's names Are written in the Lamb's book of life' but don't remember the context. And not looking that up at this moment. It Might be that upon a person's salvation that their name is written down in the Lamb's book of life.

And apparently I missed the the 2nd and 3rd times about the resurrection. Well -- at the time of the rapture of the church up and out. Those who are Dead , in Christ at that time, will be resurrected first.

And I think that the dead Without Christ are in Hades or Gehenna or whatever a person chooses to call the 'holding' place for them until the final judgement. At That time, everyone will be facing God -- acknowledging Him. And be sent to their final destination.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Act_15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

In short the verses here are referring back to the incident of Cornelius’s conversion some years previously (Acts10-11). God had shown his acceptance of the Gentiles by giving the same gift of the Spirit to them as he had given to the Jewish believers.

In the end, however, it was the opinion of Peter and James that mattered most. Peter referred to God as the One who knows the heart of all men, and he drew the conclusion that in thus pouring out the Spirit on the Gentiles God was cleansing their hearts from sin in just the same way as he cleansed the hearts of Jews. What mattered in God’s sight was the cleansing of the heart, outward legal observances, such as circumcision, did not matter.

The aim of the legalists was trying to place the yoke of the law on the Gentiles, a yoke which the Jews themselves had never been able to bear.

So yes we are saved by Grace, and it is a gift from God, but the point here was the clarification of what matters to God is the cleansing of hearts, which happens after receiving God's gift, and not circumcision which was a legal obligation in the OT Law.

Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:1-10 (NKJV)
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Lets look in more detail Reba.

Now the statement made parenthetically in verse 5 is repeated, expanded and expounded. Why can the life of heaven be possessed here and now? How is there such an exhibition of the love of God from which the whole creation of God can learn and wonder? Because by grace you have been saved. This salvation is God’s work entirely, the bestowal of his infinite love. The human part in receiving it can be described simply by the words through faith

Romans 3:21-26 (NKJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. [who are Born Again which comes when we accept God's Gift] For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [ to all who believe, who are Born again from above, who have received God's gift ]
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, [We cannot be saved through faith if we do not have faith and have not accepted the gift off God, also the spirit cannot be in us if we are still in sin]
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[One has to have faith in Jesus, if we belong to sin, the world and the devil we do not have faith in Jesus, The Word is folly to those who are perishing]

This follows on from what I included above...

Galatians 2:15-17 (NKJV)
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!

Our sins have to be forgiven, wiped clean, remembered no more, that can only happen after receiving God's Free Gift of Salvation. God does everything, except the choice, the choice is ours, accept and be born again from above, reject and live in sin, pay the price for sin, come up agaist Christ in the Great White Throne Judgement and receive the just penalty for sin, eternal death.

1 more verse on the subject...

1 Peter 1:3-7 (NKJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

The gift from God, requires faith, to have faith in Jesus we have to accept him, repent of our sins, and be born anew, God provides the gift, we have a choice accept it, or reject it.

Faith is defined best as a turning to God with a sense of need and weakness and emptiness and a willingness to receive 'the gift' he offers, to receive the Lord himself.

John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
12 But as many as received Him, [received God's gift], to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [Born Again from above]

2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

First we see a double assertion about God’s relation to us. God has saved us and called us. with a Holy calling. His saving activity is prominent in the Pastorals, especially in the sixfold use of the title ‘Saviour’, and although this designation occurs only twice elsewhere in Pauline writings, the idea of divine agency in human salvation is more prominent in Paul than in any other New Testament writer

1 - God CALLS us
2 - He offers us a Free Gift of Love, Salvation through Jesus Christ

3 - We have a choice, accept it and be saved all sins forgiven and wiped away, or reject the free gift and pay the price for our own sins and receive the just penalty for doing so.

Shalom

 

[Reba1]

God wants every lost soul to be saved, he calls them, they have a choice, the choice determines their destiny, heaven or hell.

Placing God subject to mankind, Jesus said this Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Yet the above view or understanding places the ALL POWERFUL God subject to mans choice

 

[Brother-Paul]

Placing God subject to mankind, Jesus said this Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Yet the above view or understanding places the ALL POWERFUL God subject to mans choice

Not so at all,

God is all powerful, everything is under His control. But he loves mankind, and doesn't want any to be lost, though he knows many will be.

Because of His amazing love, he Calls people, he offers the free gift of salvation through Jesus, but then lets us choose whether to accept the free gift or not. That is love Raba. If God controlled everything we do, as you seem to suggest, why would we have the following?

John 3:1-21 (NKJV)
PART 1 - We must be Born again
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, "How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?
11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

PART 2 - God shows His love for mankind
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Part 3 - Man is given a choice and God provides the outcome of the two options
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

If God, the all powerful God we worship, controlled everything, we would be as robots, but in His Love and tender Mercy He gives us a choice, He has prepared and done everything, we have just one thing to consider, life or death, eternal life or eternal damnation, that is all we have to do, choose wisely.

1 - God CALLS us
2 - He offers us a Free Gift of Love, Salvation through Jesus Christ

3 - We have a choice, accept it and be saved all sins forgiven and wiped away, or reject the free gift and pay the price for our own sins and receive the just penalty for doing so.

It is important to read scripture in context, we agree; it is always better to include sections of scripture not single verses, as single verses can easily be mis understood or mis represented, I hope you agree sister.

Shalom

 

[Reba1]

It is important to read scripture in context, we agree; it is always better to include sections of scripture not single verses, as single verses can easily be mis understood or mis represented, I hope you agree sister.

Shalom

I totally agree that is why i post reference numbers ( book chapter and verse) when i quote Scripture ..

 

[Samson2020]

But he loves mankind, and doesn't want any to be lost, though he knows many will be.

This would require God to fail with his love for mankind if even one were lost. And it seems a bit pointless to bring anything into the world only to torment it
eternally because it doesn't love you, and to know in advance? You being carnal wouldn't do that, so why in the world do you attribute God with this quality?
But yet we know that the only reason we love God is because he loved us first and made it manifest to a few what he was doing for us all.
God is love, and love does not exist in a state of unforgiveness, thus all sin was and will be forgiven, period. For his own sake. Isaiah 43:25

I see lots of scripture but little understanding.
Brings this verse to mind.
2 Tim 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

 

[Brother-Paul]

I totally agree that is why i post reference numbers ( book chapter and verse) when i quote Scripture ..

That is good, I noticed that you had done so, but adding single verses can cause a verse to appear to say something that when read in context with the section of chapter is actually saying something else.

We all do it at times Reba, but if we are sharing a point, more scripture verses in the chapter help to keep the context right. I appreciate at times we may think, all this to read, but it is clearer to all when more complete.

Bless you sister

 

[Reba1]

That is good, I noticed that you had done so, but adding single verses can cause a verse to appear to say something that when read in context with the section of chapter is actually saying something else.

We all do it at times Reba, but if we are sharing a point, more scripture verses in the chapter help to keep the context right. I appreciate at times we may think, all this to read, but it is clearer to all when more complete.

Bless you sister

tell me Paul are you going to read this .
oh 6:1 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
Joh 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
Joh 6:3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
Joh 6:5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
Joh 6:6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
Joh 6:7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
Joh 6:8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
Joh 6:9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
Joh 6:10 And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
Joh 6:11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
Joh 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
Joh 6:13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Jesus Walks on Water
Joh 6:16 And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,
Joh 6:17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.
Joh 6:18 And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew.
Joh 6:19 So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
Joh 6:20 But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.
Joh 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
I Am the Bread of Life
Joh 6:22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;
Joh 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks
Joh 6:24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
Joh 6:25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
The Words of Eternal Life
Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Joh 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

In a form post? I will give it a try

 

[Brother-Paul]

tell me Paul are you going to read this .
oh 6:1 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
Joh 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
Joh 6:3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
Joh 6:5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
Joh 6:6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
Joh 6:7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
Joh 6:8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
Joh 6:9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
Joh 6:10 And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
Joh 6:11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
Joh 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
Joh 6:13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Jesus Walks on Water
Joh 6:16 And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,
Joh 6:17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.
Joh 6:18 And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew.
Joh 6:19 So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
Joh 6:20 But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.
Joh 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
I Am the Bread of Life
Joh 6:22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;
Joh 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks
Joh 6:24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
Joh 6:25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
The Words of Eternal Life
Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Joh 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

In a form post? I will give it a try

You have included a full chapter with no comments as to the point of your post.

From one extreme to another.

If you are not willing to discuss scripture then I'm dropping out for now.

 

[Reba1]

You have included a full chapter with no comments as to the point of your post.

From one extreme to another.

If you are not willing to discuss scripture then I'm dropping out for now.

You have shown exactly why i post the Scripture with the references . What part of John 6 is it you do not wish to discuss? It is not extreme when the references are posted.. Most often they go along the conversation. About 30 years of posting i have been hassled for posting my thoughts hassled for posting Scripture. Finding the balance doesn't work cause what is okay with 'Joe', does not suit 'Sally .
In your quote of John 3 you stopped short of posting
oh 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
Joh 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Joh 3:24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
Joh 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
Joh 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Joh 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
Joh 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Joh 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
Joh 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Why? maybe John 3 27

 

[Reba1]

We should also remember Scripture was not written in Chapter and verse .

 

[Sue D.]

Scripture was also given in Greek / Hebrew and some Armaic -- are we going to back to the originals -- we can't -- We separate into chapters, verses for clarity in sharing with others. And in learning various passages.

And that's why context is so important -- but sharing an entire chapter is hard to read, a paragraph is usually enough. And Lots of times a verse by itself speaks for itself. The verses I was sharing earlier about 'how to be saved'.

So -- Reba1 what Is this conversation about.

 

[Reba1]

@Sue D. totally agree Sorta the same subject as your post ... What your sister and brother in law do is awesome ..

 

[Brother-Paul]

tell me Paul are you going to read this .
oh 6:1 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
Joh 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
Joh 6:3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
Joh 6:5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
Joh 6:6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
Joh 6:7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
Joh 6:8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
Joh 6:9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
Joh 6:10 And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
Joh 6:11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
Joh 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
Joh 6:13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Jesus Walks on Water
Joh 6:16 And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,
Joh 6:17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.
Joh 6:18 And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew.
Joh 6:19 So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
Joh 6:20 But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.
Joh 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
I Am the Bread of Life
Joh 6:22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;
Joh 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks
Joh 6:24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
Joh 6:25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
The Words of Eternal Life
Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Joh 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

In a form post? I will give it a try

What is your point here Reba?

John 6:1-15 - Jesus feeds the 5000
John 6:16-24 - Jesus Walks on water
John 6:25-59 - Jesus is the Bread of Life
John 6:60-71 - Many disciples desert Jesus

There are 4 topics here.

 

[Brother-Paul]

We should also remember Scripture was not written in Chapter and verse .

That is so true, that was why I wondered why you submitted all 71 verses in John 6

What you say here goes against what you posted in Post #90 above.

Quoting single verses is also not always a good idea. We all do it Reba, but when doing so we must be careful and ensure the context is right with what we are trying to say. Context within the passage, context within the chapter, context within the Book.

Example:

Acts 2:21 (NKJV)
And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.'

Romans 10:13 (NKJV)
For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

So is a person, a lost soul, calls on the name of Jesus, says they believe on the Lord Jesus. Are they saved? No!

Because...

John 3:3-8 (NKJV)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Anyone can say they believe or have called on the Lord, if it is not from the heart, the person remains spiritually dead!

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

Romans 10:1-13 (NKJV)
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved.
2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them."
6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 or, " 'Who will descend into the abyss?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

Providing they are Born Again from above

John 3:3-8 (NKJV)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

God calls us, He doesn't want any to be lost, but many will be.

When He calls us He offers us a gift, that Gift is Jesus, we can do nothing without Jesus, we cannot be saved, we cannot have our sins forgiven, we cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, we cannot be born again, we will not see Heaven and eternal life.

We have a choice, accept the gift or reject it.
- Accept the Gift of Love - John 3:3,5,7; Romans 10:5-6 plus more
- Reject the Gift of Love - John 3:18-21

 

[Reba1]

We have a choice, accept the gift or reject it.
- Accept the Gift of Love - John 3:3,5,7; Romans 10:5-6 plus more

Those verses say nothing about accepting the gift.

- Reject the Gift of Love - John 3:18-21 tells us the state of mankind

We understand Scripture differently. I do not say YOU ARE WRONG i say we see them differently. 35 years ago i would be posting the same as you. As for post #90 that was an example of over reach that is why i opened it asking if you would read it.. Sadly we live in a world of headlines snippets . Makes me wonder what Matt Henry would think/say .

I do not see man accepting the Gift of Salvation in the passages you posted i see the God telling us this is the way it is...I do not see God as failing to do anything ... your quote "God calls us, He doesn't want any to be lost, but many will be. " Reads to me as if God is not the All Mighty but a beggar... When comparing your quote to
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Most likely you are praying Lord open her eyes ...

 

[Brother-Paul]

You have shown exactly why i post the Scripture with the references . What part of John 6 is it you do not wish to discuss? It is not extreme when the references are posted.. Most often they go along the conversation. About 30 years of posting i have been hassled for posting my thoughts hassled for posting Scripture. Finding the balance doesn't work cause what is okay with 'Joe', does not suit 'Sally .
In your quote of John 3 you stopped short of posting
oh 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
Joh 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Joh 3:24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
Joh 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
Joh 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Joh 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
Joh 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Joh 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
Joh 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Why? maybe John 3 27

Here we have the ministries of John the Baptist and the Ministry of Jesus.

There were two concerns in this passage. John 3:22-36

After John's comments following the account of the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus, the need to be born again from above, the evangelist tells us about the overlapping ministries of Jesus and John. This overlap gave rise to a debate between the disciples of John the Baptist and a certain Jew concerning ceremonial washing.

It also aroused concern on the part of John’s disciples that his ministry was being eclipsed by Jesus’ ministry, and this in turn prompted the explanation of the relationship between himself and Jesus.

It appears that John’s disciples started the argument, but the evangelist does not tell us why they were arguing only that it was about ceremonial washing. In the following verse John’s disciples tell him that Jesus was baptizing more disciples than he was, to say this they must have watched both groups or they would not know there was a difference. The ceremonial washing we put to one side here as the topic turns more to the difference in the two ministries.

While the evangelist says in verse 26 that Jesus baptized, elsewhere he explains that Jesus himself did not do the actual baptizing; it was carried out for him by his disciples (John 4:1-2) Only in John's Gospel does it say that Jesus baptized.

Jealousy had built up n the camp, John’s disciples were concerned Jesus was now also baptizing, and ‘everyone’ was going after him.

Then we move to v27.

John responded by saying, ‘A man can receive only what is given him from heaven.’ which as we know means ‘given by God’.

That all things derive ultimately from God is a principle found in the OT (Daniel 4:17,25,32) and reiterated in the NT...

1 Corinthians 4:7 (NKJV)
For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

Who makes you differ, it is Jesus, it is the Holy Spirit in the born again believer. When the Holy Spirit enters the heart of a repentant sinner who submits to Him, the person becomes an alien to the world, they no longer belong to sin, the world and the devil, they become children of God.

Coming back to what we were discussing...

- God Calls us
- He offers us the Gift of salvation, He offers us Jesus Christ.

We have two options
- repent and accept His Free Gift of Love through Jesus
- reject the offer and continue in the world, where the devil is your father

Now the final verse in this section of scripture you kindly quoted sister.

John 3:36 (NKJV)
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

Which confirms exactly what was referred to here

Accepting God's Gift of Love

John 3:3-7 (NKJV)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

And if we reject the Gift of Lord, salvation and forgiveness of sins in Jesus Name

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

God is in control of all things, but in His Mercy and Love He did not create us as robots, we have just one choice, accept God at His Word and the Free Gift He offers, or reject it.

One leads to life, eternal. The other leads to eternal damnation.

We do nothing more than choose, life or death, it is that simple, God does not make things hard, man does that, God's plan of salvation is very simple.

1 John 5:11-13 (NKJV)
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Shalom

 

[Brother-Paul]

Those verses say nothing about accepting the gift.

- Reject the Gift of Love - John 3:18-21 tells us the state of mankind

We understand Scripture differently. I do not say YOU ARE WRONG i say we see them differently. 35 years ago i would be posting the same as you. As for post #90 that was an example of over reach that is why i opened it asking if you would read it.. Sadly we live in a world of headlines snippets . Makes me wonder what Matt Henry would think/say .

I do not see man accepting the Gift of Salvation in the passages you posted i see the God telling us this is the way it is...I do not see God as failing to do anything ... your quote "God calls us, He doesn't want any to be lost, but many will be. " Reads to me as if God is not the All Mighty but a beggar... When comparing your quote to
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Most likely you are praying Lord open her eyes ...

1 John 5:11-13 (NKJV)
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us [born again from above believers] eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son [is born again] has life; he who does not have the Son of God [is spiritually dead] does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

We have the spirit or we don't, one is life the other is dead.

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In these verses Jesus connects the eternal security of those who believe in him with his own mission: For [because] I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. The reason why none who come to him will be cast out is because Jesus came to do his Father’s will, and, he said, this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. The ‘all’ (pan) whom the Father has given are once again depicted as a collective entity (John 6:37). Their eternal security is tied to the Son’s obedience to the Father, on the one hand, and to the will of the Father, on the other. For any of those whom the Father has given to his Son to be lost would mean that Jesus failed to carry out his Father’s will, and that the will of the Father had been thwarted. Both of these things are unthinkable. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. Those whom the Father has given him will receive eternal life in the here and now and be raised up on the last day. The ‘last day’ is the day of resurrection for those who believe in Jesus (John 5:28-29; John 6:39; John 6:40; John 6:44; John 6:54; John 11:24), but a day of judgment for those who reject him (John 5:28-29; John 12:28).
Tyndale Commentaries - John.

There are two groups of people in the world, the saved, who as stated are the ones who are born again from above. The other group are the unsaved, who belong to sin the world and the devil.

God doesn't give some the Free Gift of salvation and not others, we are all born in sin, we are all in need of a saviour, he doesn't want any to be lost, but we remain lost souls until we accept Jesus, repent and be born again. All those not born again are condemned already, 'for everyone practicing evil [sin] hates the light [Jesus] and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.'

God doesn't give everyone the Free Gift of salvation but he does call and he does offer it to the lost in this world. The choice is ours, life or death.