Give Me an Answer - In the Beginning God, or In the Beginning Hydrogen.

[Admon Mikha'el]

Th ere are a number of Catholic prophets, many well before Luther ever came along. The spoke of the anti christ and his false prophet

Bill While I don't put any stock in Catholic prophets, we do share basically the same bible. The Catholic bible has more books in it but the rest is the same...That's what I believe...The Bible....So you and I agree on all the important stuff...except for Maryolitry I guess. I addressed my comment to Johnathan Gale because what he said was not biblical at all....

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

He is filled with hate. And that comes from you know who.

We need to pray for him

We agree again! LOL

 

[Bill]

Bill While I don't put any stock in Catholic prophets, we do share basically the same bible. The Catholic bible has more books in it but the rest is the same...That's what I believe...The Bible....So you and I agree on all the important stuff...except for Maryolitry I guess. I addressed my comment to Johnathan Gale because what he said was not biblical at all....

It was not John i worry about, unless the other ones name is John as well

I know you ment our friend.

I have known Jonathon a long time. He has a good mind, and his heart is with the Lord.

As for the 6 days. It is almost a useless arguement. No one will know the answer unless God reveals it. And i think His responce would be, " does it matter".

When we get to heaven, i won't even be thinking of that

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

It was not John i worry about, unless the other ones name is John as well

I know you ment our friend.

I have known Jonathon a long time. He has a good mind, and his heart is with the Lord.

As for the 6 days. It is almost a useless arguement. No one will know the answer unless God reveals it. And i think His responce would be, " does it matter".

When we get to heaven, i won't even be thinking of that

Ya I like Johnathan too. He's a good man

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

It is why i believe the earth is billions of years old.

Don't be duped by EVILution, the very same lie told by satan that man shall be like God. You do realize that "billion of years" is an inconceivable length of time, right? When you say, “the earth is billions of years old", that's as same as thinking that the earth is eternal, you're effectively worshiping the creation rather than the creator.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

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I don't know where you would get that idea...except from a fertile imagination?

What's the point, man? What are we even arguing about?

 

[Bill]

Don't be duped by EVILution, the very same lie told by satan that man shall be like God. You do realize that "billion of years" is an inconceivable length of time, right? When you say, “the earth is billions of years old", that's as same as thinking that the earth is eternal, you're effectively worshiping the creation rather than the creator.

The devil only seeks to corrupt everything of God.

I don't have a problem with natural evolution of the solar system, the earth, plants and animals. I also believe God created mankind at some point giving us a consence mind and reason. ( not found in animals ).

I believe God gave mankind intellegence and wisdom to understand and learn. And it is in learning about the world and all life in it, i can understand the Scriptures better

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The devil only seeks to corrupt everything of God.

I don't have a problem with natural evolution of the solar system, the earth, plants and animals. I also believe God created mankind at some point giving us a consence mind and reason. ( not found in animals ).

I believe God gave mankind intellegence and wisdom to understand and learn. And it is in learning about the world and all life in it, i can understand the Scriptures better

"Evolution" is a social concept which cannot be applied on nature. Societies evolve, animals don't. Every animal is created according to its KIND. All the sub species are the result of adaptation and variation, not "evolution". Dogs and wolves may share a same canine ancestor, cats and lions may share a same feline ancestor, but cats and dogs do NOT share a same ancestor. This stuff has been proven by DNA evidence, and it should've debunked EVILution - by no means can such complex information system naturally occurs; and yet it didn't only because the intelligence and wisdom given by God have puffed up mankind's pride rather than to understand and learn.

 

[Bill]

"Evolution" is a social concept which cannot be applied on nature. Societies evolve, animals don't. Every animal is created according to its KIND. All the sub species are the result of adaptation and variation, not "evolution". Dogs and wolves may share a same canine ancestor, cats and lions may share a same feline ancestor, but cats and dogs do NOT share a same ancestor. This stuff has been proven by DNA evidence, and it should've debunked EVILution - by no means can such complex information system naturally occurs; and yet it didn't only because the intelligence and wisdom given by God have puffed up mankind's pride rather than to understand and learn.

Why bother study scripture.? Why bother read it at all?

If as you say, our intellegence has puffed up mankinds pride. Then there would be 0 point to use our intellegence.

Sorry my friend, even all philosophy, these debats we have, would all be useless. And i know my God. He revels in mans achievements. He is happy for us, when we discover new things that build up the body of Christ.

 

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Subject Heading:- 'Give Me and Answer- In the Beginning God, or in the Beginning Hydrogen?'

Answer:-

'In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth.'
(Gen 1:1)

'In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made
that was made.'
(John 1:1-3)

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Why bother study scripture.? Why bother read it at all?

If as you say, our intellegence has puffed up mankinds pride. Then there would be 0 point to use our intellegence.

Sorry my friend, even all philosophy, these debats we have, would all be useless. And i know my God. He revels in mans achievements. He is happy for us, when we discover new things that build up the body of Christ.

Useless or not depends on how you use it and what you use it for. It's a double edged sword, only a skilled and mature person could wield it. I believe that's why the Tree of Knowledge was kept from Adam and Eve. Not because the tree itself was evil, but he couldn't handle it at that point, he needed to grow up first and finish what God told him to do. God definitely planned to give him the knowledge of good and evil - when he was ready. However he took it prematurely, and disasters followed.

 

[Bill]

Useless or not depends on how you use it and what you use it for. It's a double edged sword, only a skilled and mature person could wield it. I believe that's why the Tree of Knowledge was kept from Adam and Eve. Not because the tree itself was evil, but he couldn't handle it at that point, he needed to grow up first and finish what God told him to do. God definitely planned to give him the knowledge of good and evil - when he was ready. However he took it prematurely, and disasters followed.

You know I'm sort of teasing you on this. But you did say that our intellect and our wisdom was for nothing. And if it is for nothing except to build up our pride then why do we bother studying anything at all.

You see it doesn't work both ways you can't have it both ways you can't say that the wisdom and intellect is only for this and not for that. Let's put it this way even if everyone in the world went back to the lifestyle of the 1950s for the 9th or the 1850s we would still have the knowledge now of nuclear fission. We can't take that away from us but we can do is a harness for good and not for evil purposes.

The same thing is true about science science is not an enemy of God. Science actually proves the existence of God. There is way too much order in the universe for God not to exist. Because the Devil's view of evolution is chaos. Yet science proves that it is not chaos that it has an order to it. Evolution is not evil just like a gun is not evil. Yet evil acts can come from the ideas or the physical use. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

You are right that I probably should not have used animals when I was trying to explain that evolution. Earth and plants yes.

Animals no. As the dna will not change.

It is the same reason, if you cut your arm, the tissue heals . It is because of God's order. But if we had the devil's view which is chaos, out of your arm could grow a thumb.

 

[Bill]

Subject Heading:- 'Give Me and Answer- In the Beginning God, or in the Beginning Hydrogen?'

Answer:-

'In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth.'
(Gen 1:1)

'In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made
that was made.'
(John 1:1-3)

People forget, God created time.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You know I'm sort of teasing you on this. But you did say that our intellect and our wisdom was for nothing. And if it is for nothing except to build up our pride then why do we bother studying anything at all.

You see it doesn't work both ways you can't have it both ways you can't say that the wisdom and intellect is only for this and not for that. Let's put it this way even if everyone in the world went back to the lifestyle of the 1950s for the 9th or the 1850s we would still have the knowledge now of nuclear fission. We can't take that away from us but we can do is a harness for good and not for evil purposes.

The same thing is true about science science is not an enemy of God. Science actually proves the existence of God. There is way too much order in the universe for God not to exist. Because the Devil's view of evolution is chaos. Yet science proves that it is not chaos that it has an order to it. Evolution is not evil just like a gun is not evil. Yet evil acts can come from the ideas or the physical use. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

You are right that I probably should not have used animals when I was trying to explain that evolution. Earth and plants yes.

Animals no. As the dna will not change.

It is the same reason, if you cut your arm, the tissue heals . It is because of God's order. But if we had the devil's view which is chaos, out of your arm could grow a thumb.

What intellect and wisdom are you speaking of? These days the education system is in shambles, it's totally doomed beyond repiar. There's neither true intellect nor true wisdom to be gained in school. It feels like we're living in a new dark age, we're overwhelmed with loads and loads of junk information, intellect and wisdom are rare. The algorithm keeps you trapped in a bubble you've blown for yourself, and the censorship ensures that you only see what is allowed for you to see.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

What's the point, man? What are we even arguing about?

Well, simply put...You say that the so called Old Earth theory is a part of evolution teaching...But Genesis 1:1 is a stand alone verse, a statement of fact if you will...as is vs 2 In vs 3 God starts to restore what was before vs 2 Vs 3 and onward is all linked into one factual story.

What are we even arguing about? Well it seems you do not want to believe the Word as its written. You shared your opinion as is your right....Just remember though....Opinion does not trump fact.

 

[Bill]

Well, simply put...You say that the so called Old Earth theory is a part of evolution teaching...But Genesis 1:1 is a stand alone verse, a statement of fact if you will...as is vs 2 In vs 3 God starts to restore what was before vs 2 Vs 3 and onward is all linked into one factual story.

What are we even arguing about? Well it seems you do not want to believe the Word as its written. You shared your opinion as is your right....Just remember though....Opinion does not trump fact.

I dont know if i would argue it quite that way. ( opinion does not trump fact).

I am not trying to sit on the fence here. Just thinking out loud.

God does like to throw a monkey wrench into the mix. Then all the facts go out the window, as does science.

When the Witnesses ( the Two Anointed Ones) come, they will surely throw many monkey wrenches into everything.

Pure Love can change things.

 

[Bill]

What intellect and wisdom are you speaking of? These days the education system is in shambles, it's totally doomed beyond repiar. There's neither true intellect nor true wisdom to be gained in school. It feels like we're living in a new dark age, we're overwhelmed with loads and loads of junk information, intellect and wisdom are rare. The algorithm keeps you trapped in a bubble you've blown for yourself, and the censorship ensures that you only see what is allowed for you to see.

John, even though all seems bleak, do not fall into the devils trap by despairing. Put your Heart and Faith in God.

There is no doubt we are quickly approaching the time of the anitiChrist.

But soon now, we will also experience the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Like nothing you have ever seen brother. Hope! Faith and Love. And the Greatest of these is Love

 

[Bill]

Bill While I don't put any stock in Catholic prophets, we do share basically the same bible. The Catholic bible has more books in it but the rest is the same...That's what I believe...The Bible....So you and I agree on all the important stuff...except for Maryolitry I guess. I addressed my comment to Johnathan Gale because what he said was not biblical at all....

Just something to think about.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is the Ark of the Covenant.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Just something to think about.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is the Ark of the Covenant.

I'll bypass this one...since the ark was around long before Mary came on the scene

 

[Dave M]

But soon now, we will also experience the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Like nothing you have ever seen brother. Hope! Faith and Love. And the Greatest of these is Love

praise Jesus my Lord and savior !!