Give Me an Answer - In the Beginning God, or In the Beginning Hydrogen.

[Jonathan_Gale]

Well, simply put...You say that the so called Old Earth theory is a part of evolution teaching...But Genesis 1:1 is a stand alone verse, a statement of fact if you will...as is vs 2 In vs 3 God starts to restore what was before vs 2 Vs 3 and onward is all linked into one factual story.

What are we even arguing about? Well it seems you do not want to believe the Word as its written. You shared your opinion as is your right....Just remember though....Opinion does not trump fact.

How so is Gen 1:1 a "standalone" verse? That's your opinion out of a reductionist thinking.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

John, even though all seems bleak, do not fall into the devils trap by despairing. Put your Heart and Faith in God.

There is no doubt we are quickly approaching the time of the anitiChrist.

But soon now, we will also experience the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Like nothing you have ever seen brother. Hope! Faith and Love. And the Greatest of these is Love

Then why does it say in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 that He (the Holy Spirit) who restrains (the power of the Antichrist) must be taken away?

 

[Bill]

I'll bypass this one...since the ark was around long before Mary came on the scene

May the Lord Bless us always with His Love

I dont want you to think i am harping on this subject.

We look at the Old Testiment on matters of Jesus and Revelations (which means 'to reveal').

The Ark of the Covenant, the Womb on earth that held the Word of God given to us by God.

John 1:1 (Gospel) in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word - that God spoke, and was transcribed onto the two stone tablets. The Living Word which was Jesus, and placed into the Ark of the Covenant. This all being real and yet symbolism of the future, of Jesus being in the womb of Mary.

 

[Bill]

Then why does it say in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 that He (the Holy Spirit) who restrains (the power of the Antichrist) must be taken away?

Actually i have something different for all our minds to comprehend, reguarding Gen 1:1 . Something i think you will like to ponder. Has to do with the Spirit hovering over the water.

The Spirit hovered over Mary, and she recieved Jesus in her womb.

The Spirit hovered over Jesus, as he rose out of the water before John the Baptist.

And in Genesis, in the beginning we see the Spirit hovers over the water.

Was the Spirit bringing the Word to the world as it was newly made?

The Word being Jesus

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Well, simply put...You say that the so called Old Earth theory is a part of evolution teaching...But Genesis 1:1 is a stand alone verse, a statement of fact if you will...as is vs 2 In vs 3 God starts to restore what was before vs 2 Vs 3 and onward is all linked into one factual story.

What are we even arguing about? Well it seems you do not want to believe the Word as its written. You shared your opinion as is your right....Just remember though....Opinion does not trump fact.

By the way, I never make up stuffs, it's scholars' opinion that Gen. 1:1-2 are "dependent clauses" to Gen. 1:3.

Have We Misunderstood Genesis 1:1?

The purpose of this section is to define some of the interpretive schemes that have arisen since the idea of vast ages became popular in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

answersingenesis.org

 

[Bill]

By the way, I never make up stuffs, it's scholars' opinion that Gen. 1:1-2 are "dependent clauses" to Gen. 1:3.

Have We Misunderstood Genesis 1:1?

The purpose of this section is to define some of the interpretive schemes that have arisen since the idea of vast ages became popular in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

answersingenesis.org

Just out of curiosity, is not some of those ideas that came out of the early 18th century also things like the Earth is not the center of the universe? Yet we don't seem to have problems with that one. Have we gone back to the type of religion that only accepts things that fit us.

What happens when a man from God comes and he goes Way Beyond anything that the scripture has ever talked about, do we condemn that person? Because we have to remember is that Jesus himself stated that people will come and do even greater things that he has done. And we have to also remember that the apostles stated that Jesus talked much more than what was written, and what was written was only a part of it that there were not as they put it enough books to contain all of what was said.

Jesus is only the Cornerstone of our faith and the scripture is only a guide to get us on the right track.

Jesus himself stated that the Holy Spirit would come and teach us. If Jesus said what was true, and we know he did because he's Jesus, our Lord. Then there is so much more to learn.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Just out of curiosity, is not some of those ideas that came out of the early 18th century also things like the Earth is not the center of the universe? Yet we don't seem to have problems with that one. Have we gone back to the type of religion that only accepts things that fit us.

Center of the universe or not I don’t know, neither do I care, what I’m absolutely sure is that earth is the only planet that sustains life, that’s why everything God created is “good” compared to all other planets that are nothing but floating rocks.

So does alien exist? Yes and no. Yes, they do exist - “alien” is just another name for the angels in heaven; and no, not in the way you think, like creepy ET in a flying saucer.

Back to the link I posted, it effectively sets Gen. 1:1-2 as the context and makes 1:3 the first event - light in darkness, and that perfectly aligns with John 1:1-4, don't you think? "In the beginning was the Word." What word? "Let there be light!"

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

How so is Gen 1:1 a "standalone" verse? That's your opinion out of a reductionist thinking.

You know from grade school that every sentence requires a subject (God) It requires a verb, an action (Created) There is even an object (The Heavens and the Earth. Genesis 1:1 does not require anything else to hold it up. Remove it from all the other text and it is still a valid statement, complete. Vs 2 is the same...All the other verses in Genesis 1 are tied together into a 'picture' of God restoring creation.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

May the Lord Bless us always with His Love

I dont want you to think i am harping on this subject.

We look at the Old Testiment on matters of Jesus and Revelations (which means 'to reveal').

The Ark of the Covenant, the Womb on earth that held the Word of God given to us by God.

John 1:1 (Gospel) in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word - that God spoke, and was transcribed onto the two stone tablets. The Living Word which was Jesus, and placed into the Ark of the Covenant. This all being real and yet symbolism of the future, of Jesus being in the womb of Mary.

I hear you, my friend...

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

By the way, I never make up stuffs, it's scholars' opinion that Gen. 1:1-2 are "dependent clauses" to Gen. 1:3.

Have We Misunderstood Genesis 1:1?

The purpose of this section is to define some of the interpretive schemes that have arisen since the idea of vast ages became popular in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

answersingenesis.org

That's ok...Those scholars are wrong.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You know from grade school that every sentence requires a subject (God) It requires a verb, an action (Created) There is even an object (The Heavens and the Earth. Genesis 1:1 does not require anything else to hold it up. Remove it from all the other text and it is still a valid statement, complete. Vs 2 is the same...All the other verses in Genesis 1 are tied together into a 'picture' of God restoring creation.

You do know that these verse marks were arbitrarily added by the translator, right? Reading without the verse marks, the earth “void and without form” is obviously the same earth in the previous sentence, no one would make up such a “picture”. The real restoration is the NEW heaven and the NEW earth, known as the new Jerusalem, which is in the END!

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

That's ok...Those scholars are wrong.

Lol, ok you win, Scotty. Have a good day.

 

[Bill]

Center of the universe or not I don’t know, neither do I care, what I’m absolutely sure is that earth is the only planet that sustains life, that’s why everything God created is “good” compared to all other planets that are nothing but floating rocks.

So does alien exist? Yes and no. Yes, they do exist - “alien” is just another name for the angels in heaven; and no, not in the way you think, like creepy ET in a flying saucer.

Back to the link I posted, it effectively sets Gen. 1:1-2 as the context and makes 1:3 the first event - light in darkness, and that perfectly aligns with John 1:1-4, don't you think? "In the beginning was the Word." What word? "Let there be light!"

I have never, in 40 plus years, ever heard an Angel ever refer to himself as an alien. Demons on the other hand, will reguard themselves as "outer space beings" and there is truth to that. But demons are all about deception. What they mean by "outer space beings", simple, they are not in your space. You may jump to conclusion, interdementioal, and that is what they want. Outer space, meaning, in the air, not next to you.

It is a play on words for them. But us stupid humans dont get that. We think from another world.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I have never, in 40 plus years, ever heard an Angel ever refer to himself as an alien. Demons on the other hand, will reguard themselves as "outer space beings" and there is truth to that. But demons are all about deception. What they mean by "outer space beings", simple, they are not in your space. You may jump to conclusion, interdementioal, and that is what they want. Outer space, meaning, in the air, not next to you.

It is a play on words for them. But us stupid humans dont get that. We think from another world.

No, man, you got it wrong. My point is that the Matrix is aware of these spiritual beings, and they gaslight you into believing that angels - either good or evil - are aliens in their newspeak language, so on the Day of the Lord when angels really descend from heaven, clueless, brainwashed earth dwellers would see it as alien invasion, but we know what's really going on.

 

[Bill]

Center of the universe or not I don’t know, neither do I care, what I’m absolutely sure is that earth is the only planet that sustains life, that’s why everything God created is “good” compared to all other planets that are nothing but floating rocks.

So does alien exist? Yes and no. Yes, they do exist - “alien” is just another name for the angels in heaven; and no, not in the way you think, like creepy ET in a flying saucer.

Back to the link I posted, it effectively sets Gen. 1:1-2 as the context and makes 1:3 the first event - light in darkness, and that perfectly aligns with John 1:1-4, don't you think? "In the beginning was the Word." What word? "Let there be light!"

God created everything to Glorify His Son. This planet, the only planet we know of to sustain life. I believe there are other planets out there that sustain life. Just no humans.

God Created . We do not know if there are other worlds out there. But we do know there is only One God, and he loves us

No, man, you got it wrong. My point is that the Matrix is aware of these spiritual beings, and they gaslight you into believing that angels - either good or evil - are aliens in their newspeak language, so on the Day of the Lord when angels really descend from heaven, clueless, brainwashed earth dwellers would see it as alien invasion, but we know what's really going on.

Matrix, almost sounds like a New Age group.

Never heard of them. But then i have not studied up on the New Age for a long time.

Back in the 90's the Lord did direct me to study about the New Age Movement.

I know about the deception of the demons.

 

[Bill]

Lol, ok you win, Scotty. Have a good day.

Actually, there are a lot of people that have things wrong.
It doesn't stop God from loving us. But i know God gets plenty angry over the stupid things. Example: Preachers and Priests who teach thier congregations to hate the other. Protestants hating Catholics and Catholics hating Ptotestants. Both sides are to blame, and both are being punished.

Muslims and Jews, same thing.

Everyone ( Christians ) who can not love thier brothers as themselves, there will be no place in heaven for you.

It will not matter how well you profess that Jesus is God, The Father only looks at your heart.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

God created everything to Glorify His Son. This planet, the only planet we know of to sustain life. I believe there are other planets out there that sustain life. Just no humans.

God Created . We do not know if there are other worlds out there. But we do know there is only One God, and he loves us

While I believe not, and that's a distraction, so we better just agree to to disagree. How about we focus on being good steward of this planet that God trusted us with, and leave the rest for God's angels?

Matrix, almost sounds like a New Age group.

Never heard of them. But then i have not studied up on the New Age for a long time.

Back in the 90's the Lord did direct me to study about the New Age Movement.

I know about the deception of the demons.

Are you daft? You know that's just a colloquial term for the world system, right? The only way to break out of this system and live for the Lord is to be born again in spirit, which is like, taking the red pill!

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Actually, there are a lot of people that have things wrong.
It doesn't stop God from loving us. But i know God gets plenty angry over the stupid things. Example: Preachers and Priests who teach thier congregations to hate the other. Protestants hating Catholics and Catholics hating Ptotestants. Both sides are to blame, and both are being punished.

Muslims and Jews, same thing.

Everyone ( Christians ) who can not love thier brothers as themselves, there will be no place in heaven for you.

It will not matter how well you profess that Jesus is God, The Father only looks at your heart.

No preacher or priest is so dumb to propogate such hate, we all know the principle of "love the sinner, hate the sin". And there's internal logic in it, for if you truly care and concern about the sinner, you must hate the sin which destroys them. Ignoring or encouraging them to sin is real hate, it's like you with 20/20 sight leading the blind into a ditch.

 

[Bill]

While I believe not, and that's a distraction, so we better just agree to to disagree. How about we focus on being good steward of this planet that God trusted us with, and leave the rest for God's angels?


Are you daft? You know that's just a colloquial term for the world system, right? The only way to break out of this system and live for the Lord is to be born again in spirit, which is like, taking the red pill!

May the Lord bless us always amen

Well I'm definitely a bit of a smart aleck, and I am a bit Daft up top. Thank you Lord that I am not perfect.

Some years ago when I was first into spiritual warfare the Lord had me doing his work all around the world in spiritual warfare. I got to meet such fine groups as the ones that call themselves The 666 group. I mean these guys were something else.

Unlike the typical spellcasters or even Satanist and witches who typically don't have a clue what they're doing, and still cast spells without having a clue. The 666 group knew exactly what they were doing. They knew exactly what the spell would do how it would work and including which demons were actually being sent to use the spell.

This might be a little bit above your pay grade, and I'm not saying that you're a dumb person or nothing like that. I just know that most people have no clue about anything when it comes to spiritual.

Most Christians don't even know that there are angels that are involved with every type of weather in the world. I'm not talking demons I'm talking God's angels. However sometimes the darkness will attack that angel and manipulate the storm.

So when I talk to you that the word Matrix sounds like a new age type name, I'm very serious about that. You never know in this world what people will call themselves. After all aren't there the skull and crossbones group too

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

May the Lord bless us always amen

Well I'm definitely a bit of a smart aleck, and I am a bit Daft up top. Thank you Lord that I am not perfect.

Some years ago when I was first into spiritual warfare the Lord had me doing his work all around the world in spiritual warfare. I got to meet such fine groups as the ones that call themselves The 666 group. I mean these guys were something else.

Unlike the typical spellcasters or even Satanist and witches who typically don't have a clue what they're doing, and still cast spells without having a clue. The 666 group knew exactly what they were doing. They knew exactly what the spell would do how it would work and including which demons were actually being sent to use the spell.

This might be a little bit above your pay grade, and I'm not saying that you're a dumb person or nothing like that. I just know that most people have no clue about anything when it comes to spiritual.

Most Christians don't even know that there are angels that are involved with every type of weather in the world. I'm not talking demons I'm talking God's angels. However sometimes the darkness will attack that angel and manipulate the storm.

So when I talk to you that the word Matrix sounds like a new age type name, I'm very serious about that. You never know in this world what people will call themselves. After all aren't there the skull and crossbones group too

Spiritual warfare has a modern name - psychological warfare. Demoralization. Defeating the enemy's fighting spirit without firing a bullet. Satan and his angels are behind BLM, climate change, transgenderism, etc., all of the atrocities and abominations these days are not political issues, but false religions. They are provoking Christians and any decent folks to rile up and take action, and once you do, they've got you.