Going from the Nursery to the Garden of Faith

[Bill]

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By the word of God,, scripture we can see that it is clear the word of God is compared to seed. NOT DIRT (soil) as the op suggested. Friends this is a prime example of not knowing the word of God and beleiveing every thought in our head is from God. I pray that the OP sees the light in the word of God and turns from the darkness.

Just see how terrible it is to suggest the living word of God is dirt, Nothing living about dirt.

Luke 8:11​

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.d

1 Peter 1:23 ​

Since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

with the love of Jesus !

Isn't it funny, when I ask a question no one ever wants to answer those questions. What scripture did Peter go to to know it was okay to get off the boat? Because at the time Jesus wasn't revealed to them as the Messiah

 

[Dave M]

2 John 1:10-11​

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

 

[B-A-C]

Isn't it funny, when I ask a question no one ever wants to answer those questions. What scripture did Peter go to to know it was okay to get off the boat? Because at the time Jesus wasn't revealed to them as the Messiah

How did Noah know to build the ark? How did David be brave enough to fight Goliath? How did the Jews know it OK to step between the waves of the Red Sea. ( Moses was never revealed as a Messiah ).

 

[Bill]

How did Noah know to build the ark? How did David be brave enough to fight Goliath? How did the Jews know it OK to step between the waves of the Red Sea. ( Moses was never revealed as a Messiah ).

If we feel that the ONLY way we can accept the movement of the Spirit in our lives, is to find a confirmation in Scripture for it, then we have failed to understand what True Faith is.

Scripture states, it was Faith that caused Noah to build the Ark

And i say it was Faith that caused Peter to know it was ok to step out of the boat.

Where is that kind of faith these days??? No one has it, because we have forgotten what True Faith is.

 

[Brother Paul]

Over the years i have been here at Talk Jesus i often hear this phrase, "where is that in the scripture", and i will commenly respond, the Scripture is not the "end all".

Unfortunatey, the churches have been teaching this for a very long time, but it is not the way Jesus wants us to grow in faith. As growing in faith requires trust in things that do not have an answer.

If the Teaching that is presented today was taught when the apostles were alive, where in scripture would Peter have gone to trust Jesus enough to walk on the water. Remember, at this time, Jesus was not revealed to them as the Messiah.

I was talking to the Lord a few days ago on this subject, as this came up in another thread.

This is what came to my mind.
'Once a person recieves Jesus as Lord, you become like seeds, and God sets you in a pot with potting soil. The potting soil is the scripture. You feed on this until you are mature enough to be planted into the garden of the Holy Spirit.'

I have been thinking about this at length, and the more i did the more perfect it fit.

A gardener would have his plants in a nursery. And as the Lord said, once mature enough, the gardener would gently talk the plant from the pot, and include all the old soil into the hole dug for it into the garden.

In the scripture the Gospel of John 16:7 Jesus states " still, I must tell you the truth it is for your own good that I am going because unless I go The Advocate will not come to you but if I go I will send him to you."

And again in the Gospel of John 16:12 Jesus says " I still have many things to say to you but they would be too much for you now. But when the spirit of truth comes he will lead you to complete truth"

So we can see clearly that Jesus himself tells us that not everything is in the scripture, and that the scripture itself is the potting soil to get us going on the right Road. As Jesus states he is the "Cornerstone." And all the scripture is the foundation. But we are the ones who have to grow in the Lord, and to strive to be the best that we can be in the Lord.

Yes! Ans...at the time of Jesus and when the Apostles themselves began tp preach (post Acts 2), the only scriptures they had were the Hebrew Tanakh (the Old Testament) and has to preach and teach all they claimed from these. How many here are so equipped? When the these moderns make their understanding known, are they including the New Covenant writings? If the Apostles preached and taught such doctrine without these (for they had not yet been written) does that mean they were all wrong?

 

[Brad Huber]

If we feel that the ONLY way we can accept the movement of the Spirit in our lives, is to find a confirmation in Scripture for it, then we have failed to understand what True Faith is.

Scripture states, it was Faith that caused Noah to build the Ark

And i say it was Faith that caused Peter to know it was ok to step out of the boat.

Where is that kind of faith these days??? No one has it, because we have forgotten what True Faith is.

I make it a tag line for all my emails sent out, to listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit, before your heart hardens beyond the ability to even recognize it.

 

[Dave M]

'Once a person recieves Jesus as Lord, you become like seeds, and God sets you in a pot with potting soil.

the big question of this thread,, is Can the OP see how this is in direct conflict with the word of God?

 

[lentz]

I believe God spoke directly to people in old testament times.
And I believe Christ spoke to the Apostles in the New Testament.
But today we are led by the Holy Spirit.
When someone today says “I had a vision “,or,”God told me “,I just assumed he is a liar,or mentally unstable.
There will be no new prophecy to come forward,the book of revelation tells all that will take place,so no visions needed or given.
The just shall live by faith

 

[Dave M]

I believe God spoke directly to people in old testament times.
And I believe Christ spoke to the Apostles in the New Testament.
But today we are led by the Holy Spirit.
When someone today says “I had a vision “,or,”God told me “,I just assumed he is a liar,or mentally unstable.
There will be no new prophecy to come forward,the book of revelation tells all that will take place,so no visions needed or given.
The just shall live by faith

Yes the word of God says the

Luke 16:16​

“The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.

Faith has always been built on the word of God, when Peter walked on water he had faith in Jesus the word of God, and when he started to sink because he was loosing faith,, the word of God (Jesus) saved him and stretched out his arms. The word of God has always been with man, Abram had the word of God tell him directly to sacrifice his son, and on faith in the word of God he was willing to obey. Noah had faith in when he listened to the Word of God and had faith even when It made no sense to build an ark.. Yes the word of God has always been with man, and today we live by the word of God,,, Faith only comes from the word of God, and today that word is in the Holy scripture, and taught to us by the Holy spirit, leading and guiding us.

The word of God is perfect and Holy and complete in all we need for spiritual matters, Can you imagine someone calling GODS perfect word incomplete, but yet that is what the OP has done far to many people get confuse in there own heads because they do not feed on the word of God like God tells us to, The word of God is living, it is NOT like any regular book. We must feed on it every day to be spiritually strong. Yet people fall away from the word and go by there own thought and imagination

And any time I see someone discounting the word of God it makes me sad and angry, sad because they do not see the light, and angry because Gods word is perfect and Holy, these same people will most likely claim they do not fear God, and we know what this word says about that

People start having faith in their own thoughts and beliefs instead of faith the way God intended. And we see threads like this pop up, possibly fooling on lookers who do not know the word of God, because false faith usually comes with some truth attached to the lie that it is based on.

Romans 10:17​

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

 

[Bill]

I believe God spoke directly to people in old testament times.
And I believe Christ spoke to the Apostles in the New Testament.
But today we are led by the Holy Spirit.
When someone today says “I had a vision “,or,”God told me “,I just assumed he is a liar,or mentally unstable.
There will be no new prophecy to come forward,the book of revelation tells all that will take place,so no visions needed or given.
The just shall live by faith

But what does it mean to live by faith? If God is still alive you should be able to talk with him just like I'm talking with you

 

[Bill]

the big question of this thread,, is Can the OP see how this is in direct conflict with the word of God?

Doesn't Jesus say that he had more to tell us? And don't the apostles say that there was much more but they would only wrote down what was necessary? If these two statements are true then how can you possibly say it that all what was in scripture is all that ever was?

 

[Dave M]

But what does it mean to live by faith? If God is still alive you should be able to talk with him just like I'm talking with you

please see the question and stop avoiding it

the big question of this thread,, is Can the OP see how this is in direct conflict with the word of God?

 

[Bill]

the big question of this thread,, is Can the OP see how this is in direct conflict with the word of God?

And how do you explain the two Prophets of Revelations, are they not called Prophets? If they are called prophets in the New Testament and they have not yet come then obviously the time of the prophets has not ended

 

[Bill]

the big question of this thread,, is Can the OP see how this is in direct conflict with the word of God?

I have answered it, repeatedly

 

[Dave M]

But today we are led by the Holy Spirit.

yes Praise the Lord you gave a perfect example of this, thank you for sharing brother

The best way to explain it so you can understand…….
He would tell me personally perhaps what church to attend.
He may place in on my heart to give to a certain cause.

I never said God no longer speaks.
However,are there any new prophecy other than recorded in Revelation? No.
Is there any circumstance pertaining to life that is not covered in scripture? No.
Yes God speaks to us today,BUT,it cannot be contrary to scripture.
If it is, then it’s not God speaking. Therefore,the scriptures are the end all.
And thanks for the compliment

 

[lentz]

But what does it mean to live by faith? If God is still alive you should be able to talk with him just like I'm talking with you

Yes bill. It’s called prayer.
“What does it mean to live by
faith”….. to take God at his word

 

[Bill]

Yes bill. It’s called prayer.
“What does it mean to live by
faith”….. to take God at his word

Exactly that's why I do the out of the body experiences, doing spiritual warfare. That's why I do so many things spiritually, because I take it on faith as to what God has told me to do

 

[lentz]

Exactly that's why I do the out of the body experiences, doing spiritual warfare. That's why I do so many things spiritually, because I take it on faith as to what God has told me to do

There is no such thing as out of body experiences. Except for satanic rituals.
Where do you go when having one? How about flying over my house.

 

[Bill]

There is no such thing as out of body experiences. Except for satanic rituals.
Where do you go when having one? How about flying over my house.

And where do you get your information from, have you talked to God about it lately?

There are a few cases in the scripture where Peter and where Paul both went from one place to another place. I'm sure there's all sorts of names for it, but there's no denying scripture, correct!

 

[Dave M]

Exactly that's why I do the out of the body experiences, doing spiritual warfare. That's why I do so many things spiritually, because I take it on faith as to what God has told me to do

I have no doubt that you are having out of body experiences but what makes you think they are from GOd, the demons disguise themselves as angels of light and fool people who do not have the gift of discrment because they do not know the word of GOd,,, and anyone who calls the word of GOd dirt is a fool and can be fooled,,, you have been warned,, time to repent before its to late,,, your case is a very sad one indeed, you are in my prayers hopefully the Lord will allow the blinders to be pulled off your eyes,, can you imagine a child of God calling his word dirt and saying it came from God NO NO I do not think so

2 Corinthians 11:14​

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.