Has tongues ceased today?

[Faithful Son]

As far as I can see Woz'umoya, you can only speculate to what Paul meant by saying that which is to come is the Bible.

Take note however, that the Scriptures did exist when Jesus was alive, they were the books of Moses and some more texts by the Prophets and even Solomon. So to make that assumption seems a bit far fethced to me.

Why would Paul write the scriptures and not mention that's what he's talking about?

Speculation is not fact.

 

[spirit1st]

It has Not changed and will not change until the KINGDOM is fully upon the EARTH.Which will be after the 1000years and when our city comes down upon the NEW EARTH , from the NEW HEAVENS!

We do not see the church is its power now , because few walk in there spirit much!

 

[pixie]

Speaking in Tongues

I have heard others speak in tongue and both can speak and understand what it is I am saying to the Lord. This speaking comes from my spirit and I am very aware of it. I am sure the Holy Spirit is working within me.

What we have is an internet community, with people from all over the world. We are able to communicate with fellow Christians in a glance and reach more fellow Christians than ever. This has never been seen before in Christianity.

Perhaps the reason we are not aware of Christians speaking in tongue, was mainly do to the fact that communication was just not as accessible in earlier Christian movements.

I find many strong Christians here at TalkJesus. I don't think speaking in tongue needs much more debate, when our fellow members are stating that they have either witnessed it or spoken themselves. If you haven't heard someone speaking in tongue, it usually comes out as a tender flowing spate of words and very fluent. It doesn't seem likely that someone who didn't speak in tongues, could imitate this "gift".

I think that no one that has said they spoke in tongues, should be discredited
and I think that "blessed are those who have not seen, yet still believe", should come into reason here.

Loveixie:note::rainbow:

 

[hopeforall]

Cody2 Have you read the statement of faith: TalkJesus?

Dear Brother Cody2:

I was wondering if you have read the Statement of Faith for Talk Jesus Website? I agree with the statement of faith for this website and found it quite refreshing to see that the infilling of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues was part of that statement of faith. This is a big reason why I joined this community. Please look into it and see whether or not you agree with it because the statement of faith should be a point where we as the body of Christ in this community come into agreement. All the other peripheral topics should be topics of discussion.

Love In Christ,
Hopeforall

 

[spirit1st]

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.

 

[LikeJesus]

Ive seen people caught up/slain in the spirit speak in tongues.Even young people who had no idea about tongues.Once I even saw a young man speak in tongues and it sounded like Gods voice not a young mans voice.Then after he spoke in tongues,the holy spirit translated in english what he had said.A man in the church with heart problems was supernaturally healed.Ive heard of children speaking in tongues.One thing that concerns me though.When I hear people praying in tongues,sometimes its seems fake,but I could be wrong.Anyway,the book of Acts 2:3-4.Good scripture on tongues.And Jesus had to die first for the holy spirit to come an fill people.Then after Jesus died he could save many all over the earth at once,instead of just one place at a time where ever he happened to be at.He could heal people from a distance though like he did for the Centurian.The Roman centurian had more faith then all the jews in Israel.But now after His death he can heal multitudes at once all over the Earth.I wonder how many people all over earth just got saved while I was typing this paragraph?)

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Ive seen people caught up/slain in the spirit speak in tongues.Even young people who had no idea about tongues.Once I even saw a young man speak in tongues and it sounded like Gods voice not a young mans voice.Then after he spoke in tongues,the holy spirit translated in english what he had said.A man in the church with heart problems was supernaturally healed.Ive heard of children speaking in tongues.One thing that concerns me though.When I hear people praying in tongues,sometimes its seems fake,but I could be wrong.Anyway,the book of Acts 2:3-4.Good scripture on tongues.And Jesus had to die first for the holy spirit to come an fill people.Then after Jesus died he could save many all over the earth at once,instead of just one place at a time where ever he happened to be at.He could heal people from a distance though like he did for the Centurian.The Roman centurian had more faith then all the jews in Israel.But now after His death he can heal multitudes at once all over the Earth.I wonder how many people all over earth just got saved while I was typing this paragraph?)

You cool!
:shade::shade::shade:

 

[LikeJesus]

You cool!
:shade::shade::shade:

LOL you funny.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

LOL you funny.

Thanks, its one of the reason people laugh when I joke around

oh yea, when I laugh people laugh too, some how my laugh makes them laugh, no wonder I'm select to be in the hospitally department at church lol hahahaha my pastor said I bring joy to people I think that how he said t.. THATS ANOITTING!

 

[LikeJesus]

The joy of the Lord is our strenght.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

The joy of the Lord is our strenght.

Amen!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Cody, W here did you get the idea that Paul never spoke in tongues? In 1 Cor 14:18, Paul writes, "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you."

As to your comment wondering why anyone would pray in a language they do not understand, let me offer a couple of points: in 1st Corinthians, Paul also says: "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him, he utters mysteries with his spirit." and "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself." (1 Cor 14:2, 4a)

I am edified (built up in my relationship with God) when I pray in tongues. I pray in tongues quite often during praise and worship at our church. I don't do it in a loud and showy way, but I do it. And since tongues is a gift from God and I am edified when I do it, it follows that the "Author and Finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2) is supplying the words for the prayer. That being the case, why in the world would I worry about my not knowing the words?


SLE

 

[spirit1st]

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

This is our spirit praying for us!


Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

WE are ALL spirits first above all else!

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

 

[Cody]

SLE, I don't think I said Paul never spoke in tongues, if I did forgive me. I was talking about praying in tongues, not speaking in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:1-5
1 "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."

Notice Paul says it's better to prophesy(preach the word of God).

2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

Notice this chapter is about edifying the church, which some in the Corinth church were not doing. They were edifying their selves, how is that love? I believe Paul is teaching we need to do all things with love. I don't think Paul is encouraging this self edification. I believe he is telling them that they need to be edifying the church and what they are doing isn't helping the church at all. Also take note that he is correcting this church, not saying good job.

3 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort."

This is a true example of love. Edifying, Exhorting and comforting.

4 "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church."

How is edifying yourself love? Later on in the chapter in verse 22, we see that tongues were not for them who believe. It's not to us, it's to them that believe not. So if you're praying to yourself in tongues, why? It's not for you, it's for the people in your church that believe not and when correctly used it will be interpreted. Tongues were give to edify the church and give a sign to the Jews.

5 "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying." KJV

When they used tongues the proper way, they interpreted and it edified the church. It's obvious they were abusing the gift of tongues and not edifying the church. Tongues are not to edify the believer.

 

[Cody]

Dear Brother Cody2:

I was wondering if you have read the Statement of Faith for Talk Jesus Website? I agree with the statement of faith for this website and found it quite refreshing to see that the infilling of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues was part of that statement of faith. This is a big reason why I joined this community. Please look into it and see whether or not you agree with it because the statement of faith should be a point where we as the body of Christ in this community come into agreement. All the other peripheral topics should be topics of discussion.

Love In Christ,
Hopeforall

1 Corinthians 12:28-30
28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" KJV

This clearly tells us that not all believers had the gifts of tongues or healing or interpreting. If tongues are going on today, not everyone that believed would be speaking in them. You're probably not saying that everyone that believes has to speak in tongues, but I just wanted to point that out. When I received the Holy Spirit, I was made a new creature in Christ. Glory to God!

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." KJV

God Bless you

 

[jiggyfly]

1 Corinthians 12:28-30
28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" KJV

This clearly tells us that not all believers had the gifts of tongues or healing or interpreting. If tongues are going on today, not everyone that believed would be speaking in them. You're probably not saying that everyone that believes has to speak in tongues, but I just wanted to point that out. When I received the Holy Spirit, I was made a new creature in Christ. Glory to God!

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." KJV

God Bless you

Yes, you are correct, but being born-again is a different and seperate experience from being baptized in HolySpirit, and according to your previous posts, no one that believes, speaks in tongues inspired by HolySpirit, because they have supposedly ceased. I am trying to be patient with you but you seem to skip over or avoid answering my questions. You still have not shared your direct revelation from Father , why not?

Cody there are some issues with the "tongues have ceased" teaching and I have tried to start dealing with some of the issues but you seem to be avoiding them. Maybe this isn't the case and if not then please post your answers to all my questions along with your revelation form Father and accept my apologies.

 

[jiggyfly]

Thanks, SpiritLedEd for your comments that I am confusing the tongues of fire with speaking in tongues. I’m sorry that the point I was trying to make is not clear.

What I was trying to point out is that when the Holy Spirit (which was accompanied by the gifts of the Spirit) came upon the disciples it came in the form of tongues of fire. It was also passed on by the Apostles and it seems that others like Philip could not pass on the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:13-19) even though he himself possessed the Holy Spirit.

So since it seems the Holy Spirit with the accompanying Spirit gifts is not being passed on to believers today either in the form of tongues of fire or by the laying on of hands by the Apostles, it seems that what people say are Spirit gifts must be something else.

The Apostle Paul in his letter to the Corinthians told them the Spirit gifts (including the gift of tongues) would cease when that which is perfect (complete) is come. As far as I can understand, it seems that when the completed Scripture that enables the believer to be perfected or completed or attain maturity by giving him access to the full Gospel came, the Spirit gifts gradually ceased when the Apostles and those other disciples who possessed them died.

When the completed Scripture came, it seems there was no longer any need for the Spirit gifts because all that the believer needs to know is contained in the completed Word of God. I believe that the Word of God is the only source of Divinely inspired teaching and it is the only infallible guide we have.
We therefore must rely on it to speak to us to build up our love and give us inspiration and edification and knowledge in our search to know the Almighty God and His beloved Son our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ.
Woz’Umoya

So you believe that HolySpirit is no longer at work here on earth among believers, right? Please show me where the new testament scriptures say we are to be led by the Holy Bible. The book of Acts is a recorded testimony of believers being led by HolySpirit, b and you say that changed according to God's will sometime in the later part of the fourth century, correct? Love, I thought was a fruit of HolySpirit not HolyBible. We have already witnessed in church history the fruit of HolyBible minus HolySpirit in the murder of thousands of Protestants and Jews.

 

[Cody]

Yes, you are correct, but being born-again is a different and seperate experience from being baptized in HolySpirit, and according to your previous posts, no one that believes, speaks in tongues inspired by HolySpirit, because they have supposedly ceased. I am trying to be patient with you but you seem to skip over or avoid answering my questions. You still have not shared your direct revelation from Father , why not?

Cody there are some issues with the "tongues have ceased" teaching and I have tried to start dealing with some of the issues but you seem to be avoiding them. Maybe this isn't the case and if not then please post your answers to all my questions along with your revelation form Father and accept my apologies.

The reason I believe tongues have ceased is because it was obviously a sign for the Jews. Another reason is, I haven't see one person use tongues in the right context. So if I hear tongues being used correctly, I'll change my mind. If God chooses to reveal that to me, then I'll believe it. Thanks for being patient with me and please look at my replies on "praying" in tongues. God Bless

 

[ushalk]

tougues has been used in the wrong context, i agree with that. i myself speak in toungues but it has only been one when i was baptised two giving god thanks in private and three when i have been to weak to pray for myself. out of all of these i have never spoke in toungues with a crowd except when i got baptised.

as far as toungues actually ceasing i disagree and i believe that the verses that talk about that is actually talking about the teachings ceasing not the act itself when the holy spirit moves through people. with that the teaching has ceased quite a bit actually. many people refuse to hear it or study it and more refuse not to teach what the word of god truly states. i feel as though you have been taught what the word of gad says through a theology course or a church.

if that is the case then you have learnt from man not from the holy spirit. this is a popular teaching and people seek out the popular teaching because they figure that 10 billion people cant be wrong. but in this case they very much are wrong. this is why paul makes it very clear in galations 1 that he did not learn the word of god by man, rather he spent 3 years in the wilderness all alone and recieved the word of god from the lord and then he went and sat with the other apostles.

through out the word of god the bible states that man wisdom is not correct because lest a man be born again he is in the physical. this causing a serious issue because we think we are actually intelligent.

 

[jiggyfly]

The reason I believe tongues have ceased is because it was obviously a sign for the Jews. Another reason is, I haven't see one person use tongues in the right context. So if I hear tongues being used correctly, I'll change my mind. If God chooses to reveal that to me, then I'll believe it. Thanks for being patient with me and please look at my replies on "praying" in tongues. God Bless

So since you say that tongues are for the unbelieving Jews and tongues have ceased, can we correctly assume that you believe there are no more unbelieving Jews?

When and where and how many people have you witnessed speaking in tongues Cody?

Can I correctly assume since you still have not shared your revelation that you really don't have one yet?