Has tongues ceased today?

[Stylez4Christ]

Cody I pray in tongues when I do not know what to pray in my language. I pray in tongues as it builds me up. It is my spirit talking to God's spirit. I was told to keep praying that way when I attended a church that do not do it.

I think there have been plenty of scriptures showing the praying in tongues.

God bless

LLJ :rainbow: :rose:

I agree that there is enough scripture about praying in tongues because te word pray means talking to God just simple as that!

"And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests." (Ephesians 6:18)
"But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit." (Jude 1:20)


"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." (Mark 16:17-18)

Who were the 120 believers talking to when they spoke in tongues? Notice that they were all together in one place, then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and they all began speaking in tongues. Since they were all speaking at the same time and they were all speaking in foreign languages, they could not have understood each other. So they were not talking to one another, but notice that there was no-one else around for them to be talking to. We will see in a moment that they were talking to God and praising Him in tongues in the Holy Spirit, which is one of the primary purposes for tongues, as in the following passage:

"If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying?" (1 Corinthians 14:16)


At Pentecost the disciples were talking to God in the Holy Spirit. They were praying in the Spirit.

Now let's take a close look at the crowd which had gathered in the passage above. These were Jews from other nations who were staying in Jerusalem. The Amplified Version says that they were residing there. The King James Version says that they were dwelling there. The New American Standard Version says that they were living there. These were Jews who were living in Jerusalem for some period of time (probably because of the festival of Pentecost), and they were able to speak to one another in a common language because they said to each other, "how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?" Many commentaries suggest that these Jews all spoke Greek (the common language of the time), although Hebrew is another strong possibility. These Jews were living in Jerusalem for some period of time and they all knew a common language, and they were able to speak to each other and understand each other. These people did not need to be told the Gospel in their own native languages, and that was not the purpose for speaking in tongues at Pentecost.

 

[Cody]

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." KJV

Right here in verse 14, Paul is saying if he prays in a unknown language, God knows what he is praying because God has given him that gift, but he doesn't understand what he is praying. Why would God want us to pray without understanding? Also notice the "if" in verse 14, he says if, he doesn't say he does pray in unknown tongue.

Then in verse 15, he says he will pray in the spirit and with understanding also. Praying in tongues is not praying in the spirit. Praying in the spirit is when the Holy Spirit is leading you and you pray by God's will. This verse clearly tells us we need to understand what we are praying.

 

[Chad]

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." KJV

Right here in verse 14, Paul is saying if he prays in a unknown language, God knows what he is praying because God has given him that gift, but he doesn't understand what he is praying. Why would God want us to pray without understanding? Also notice the "if" in verse 14, he says if, he doesn't say he does pray in unknown tongue.

Then in verse 15, he says he will pray in the spirit and with understanding also. Praying in tongues is not praying in the spirit. Praying in the spirit is when the Holy Spirit is leading you and you pray by God's will. This verse clearly tells us we need to understand what we are praying.

Brother, if praying in tongues is not praying in spirit, then what is it?
This makes no sense when the Holy Spirit is the one who gives the gift and GOD "understands" just like you even said. GOD is Spirit, therefore prayer is in spirit. Otherwise, what else is it?

 

[Cody]

Praying in the spirit is praying with the help of the Holy Spirit and by God's will.

You can read more about this here:
What is praying in the Spirit?

 

[Chad]

Brother Cody, you've posted numerous links to other sites many times you've been asked to explain something with Scripture. Why?

Explain this to me:

- praying in tongues is praying in what? Spirit? Something else?
- the people that pray in tongues today, are they wrong? Are they deceived?

If tongues in not in spirit, then that contradicts against Scripture you even posted that clearly states, the Holy Spirit gives the gift of speaking/praying in tongues.

 

[Cody]

Sorry brother, that link gives Greek references which I do not know Greek so I don't have any right talking about Greek references. lol So that is why I posted it, so you can look into it yourself, but if you don't want to, that is ok also.

When I read where people are speaking in tongues, it is used to edify the church and that's what Paul was so strongly telling the church of Corinth(edify the church). I don't see it being used as a personal prayer language in the Bible.

There are three ways I know of that we can be deceived. By self, by others and by other spirits. I'm not saying everyone that speaks in tongues is being led by a different spirit. I'm sure that is not so most of the time, especially in churches that believe Jesus is the son of God. But we also need to know that we can be deceived by ourselves and others.

 

[Chad]

Sorry brother, that link gives Greek references which I do not know Greek so I don't have any right talking about Greek references. lol So that is why I posted it, so you can look into it yourself, but if you don't want to, that is ok also.

When I read where people are speaking in tongues, it is used to edify the church and that's what Paul was so strongly telling the church of Corinth(edify the church). I don't see it being used as a personal prayer language in the Bible.

There are three ways I know of that we can be deceived. By self, by others and by other spirits. I'm not saying everyone that speaks in tongues is being led by a different spirit. I'm sure that is not so most of the time, especially in churches that believe Jesus is the son of God. But we also need to know that we can be deceived by ourselves and others.

Ok, your statement here makes it clear then that tongues has not "ceased" as the original thread is about.

 

[Cody]

Where did I say tongues today is right? I'm just explaining if people are doing it, why would it be used in prayer?

 

[Chad]

If they're using it at church, how are they using it aside in prayer?

If you say it is not right, then you must be stating it is not from GOD "today" and you stick with your claim that tongues has ceased. Therefore, your saying it is not of the Holy Spirit all who speak or pray in tongues, personally or at church.

 

[Cody]

If people use it at church, they better have an interpreter. There are some churches that are complete confusion because they speak in tongues and no one interprets. The whole church is out of order. When in 1 Corinthians 14:33, we're told God isn't the author of confusion. I know that there is probably a lot of churches that interpret every time they speak in tongues and that is good. At least they're doing it the way Paul told the church of Corinth to. I've also heard that people just speak gibberish, that is not the tongue that the Bible talks about. The Greek word used for tongue in these chapters is language. It's talking about a language we have not learned, not gibberish.

 

[Chad]

If people use it at church, they better have an interpreter. There are some churches that are complete confusion because they speak in tongues and no one interprets. The whole church is out of order. When in 1 Corinthians 14:33, we're told God isn't the author of confusion. I know that there is probably a lot of churches that interpret every time they speak in tongues and that is good. At least they're doing it the way Paul told the church of Corinth to. I've also heard that people just speak gibberish, that is not the tongue that the Bible talks about. The Greek word used for tongue in these chapters is language. It's talking about a language we have not learned, not gibberish.

Brother Cody your going back and forth. First you start saying tongues has ceased. Now you say the church better have an interpreter. Your contradicting your own points, or views.

Your right GOD is not the author of confusion, so let us stop confusing others in this thread by making two opposite points. We're speaking about the Word of GOD here. For those who claim tongues to be "gibberish", perhaps they're not the ones following GOD with an open heart, or perhaps they do not have the gift of tongues or interpretation. They have no right to call it gibberish. That's GOD's call.

The gift of tongues has not ceased, plain and simple. If someone is truly open to let the Holy Spirit instead of their own understanding, they will see this clearly.

 

[Cody]

I'm not going back in forth, but there might be people that use tongues out of context. And right when they're using the tongues out of context, they're saying the feel the Holy Spirit in it? How are they feeling the Holy Spirit in it when they aren't even speaking in the real tongues the Bible talks about?

Brother, I'm saved and I received the Holy Spirit. We're to pray in the spirit and we do that by praying by the will of God. The sword of the Spirit is the word of God.

Ephesians 6:17
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:" KJV

 

[Faithful Son]

I'd like to give some input in this thread, it may be slightly off topic, but I think it's needed.

I have a problem, I lack discernment. When I view a sermon on television I'm very quick to say to myself, "yeah, that's true". This may sound really strange, but about 99% of those times when I say those words, the Holy Spirit uses both people and the Word of God to show to me that that message was wrong and not of God.

Brother Cody, I have not read every reply in this thread, but I think you should know that it is a good thing when we learn and realize that the Holy Spirit and God is the final authority, the Bible does matter and contains many answers, but the Holy Spirit completes those answers within us.

Be assured, even in my small family circle, including third party friends, people are being deceived by the words of men. These men proclaim to be annointed by God with certain gifts, but they are only men and their message comes from satan.

Mark 8:33 NKJV
But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Even Peter, who loved Jesus with his whole being and who was the leader of the Apostles, fell and was deceived by satan. How? Through his heart, satan convicted him of a certain thing and he was quick to listen to the lie and not the truth.

Let's step back, say thank you Jesus for allowing us to learn and let us not be deceived by men.

God bless
Much love
Faithful Son

 

[Word of Life]

This too has been on my mind a lot recently. I speak in tongues too, but I was never baptized in a church environment and I have hardly ever been to any church.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

I know how you people feel, about all this. I have spent months going through the powers of the Holy Spirit/false prophets and church deception. When you start reading all that, and you see what is false out there, it does become very frightening.

There was an article I read some time back, I can't find it a present, but I will continue searching for it, whereby, some people visited another country on holiday I think, and they went to a church and ouside this church, were these people who were speaking in tongues. The people who were visiting that country, understood every word those people were speaking. The people speaking in tongues thought they were praising and worshipping God in this other tongue, but in fact, they were cursing Him, swearing at Him, saying such horrible things, and they were totally unaware of this. They did not know what they were saying, until these people; I assume said something to them.

Also, like I said in another post, there were times I felt I wasn't saying what I should be saying, when speaking in tongues, it just didn't feel right, I think my heart was in the wrong place, and the tongue I spoke sounded definitely wrong, so I stopped speaking immediately.

But for what I have studied so far on this, I still believe it's a gift from God. I only use it for my prayer time. And more often, it's when I am speaking in English, praising and thanking God, I suddenly start speaking it. I can't force myself to speak it, I tried that and it didn't work.


Exo 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

Exo 7:22 And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exo 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

Exo 8:18 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.

Exo 8:19 Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exo 9:11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians.

One has to be careful, test the spirits.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

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If people use it at church, they better have an interpreter. There are some churches that are complete confusion because they speak in tongues and no one interprets. The whole church is out of order. When in 1 Corinthians 14:33, we're told God isn't the author of confusion. I know that there is probably a lot of churches that interpret every time they speak in tongues and that is good. At least they're doing it the way Paul told the church of Corinth to. I've also heard that people just speak gibberish, that is not the tongue that the Bible talks about. The Greek word used for tongue in these chapters is language. It's talking about a language we have not learned, not gibberish.

Ummmm. I'm sorry but there are part in the bible where people spoke in tongues without an a interpret, man someone get great bible scholar up in here!:shade:

 

[Cody]

True, but they understood in their own language in Acts 2. When people speak in tongues today in church, do they hear in their own language?

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Nope, not just Acts 2.... Plus Act 2 is not the scripture there theres like 2 or 3 of them accept for acts 2

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Woz'umoya, You need to stop confusing the tongues of fire that rested on the believers in the upper room (Ac 2:3) with the gift of tongues (Ac 2:4, 1 Cor 14). The tongues of fire were manifestations of the power of the Holy Spirit resting on them and the gift of tongues came as part of the deal, but it was not the whole deal.

There was an empowering going on for wisdom and boldness as well. For evidence of this, look at Peter coming forward in Ac 2:14-41 and boldly prophesying to the crowd. John 20:19 tells of the incident when, not long after his resurrection, Jesus appeared to the disciples while they were in a room with the doors locked for fear of the Jews.I don't know of anywhere in the New Testament that indicates that the disciples had boldness before the Holy Spirit came on them.

On the day he ascended to heaven, Jesus told the disciples to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Spirit to come and: " you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." (Ac 1:8)

The definitive information on tongues is in 1 Cor 14, not Ac 2.

SLE

 

[jiggyfly]

1 Corinthians 13:8-10
8 "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." KJV

Prophecies and knowledge will fail when the perfect has come. I believe its talking about Jesus there. Notice in verse 9, it just mentions those 2 and not tongues. Also notice it says tongues will cease.

Who here prays in tongues? Please give me some scripture that supports praying in tongues.

Cody you are taking tongues out of context, look up the the greek words used, they both share the same meanings. Pauo and katargeo both mean cease. You seem to be doing a little side stepping here.

So what scripture do you use to show that tongues have ceased?? This scripture just says that they will cease not that they have ceased.

 

[Woz'umoya]

Thanks, SpiritLedEd for your comments that I am confusing the tongues of fire with speaking in tongues. I’m sorry that the point I was trying to make is not clear.

What I was trying to point out is that when the Holy Spirit (which was accompanied by the gifts of the Spirit) came upon the disciples it came in the form of tongues of fire. It was also passed on by the Apostles and it seems that others like Philip could not pass on the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:13-19) even though he himself possessed the Holy Spirit.

So since it seems the Holy Spirit with the accompanying Spirit gifts is not being passed on to believers today either in the form of tongues of fire or by the laying on of hands by the Apostles, it seems that what people say are Spirit gifts must be something else.

The Apostle Paul in his letter to the Corinthians told them the Spirit gifts (including the gift of tongues) would cease when that which is perfect (complete) is come. As far as I can understand, it seems that when the completed Scripture that enables the believer to be perfected or completed or attain maturity by giving him access to the full Gospel came, the Spirit gifts gradually ceased when the Apostles and those other disciples who possessed them died.

When the completed Scripture came, it seems there was no longer any need for the Spirit gifts because all that the believer needs to know is contained in the completed Word of God. I believe that the Word of God is the only source of Divinely inspired teaching and it is the only infallible guide we have.

We therefore must rely on it to speak to us to build up our love and give us inspiration and edification and knowledge in our search to know the Almighty God and His beloved Son our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ.

Woz’Umoya