How Do I Put on the Armor of God?

[Bill]

The armour is to protect us from all evil brother.

If I take up the sword and choose to use it, I am preventing the Holy Spirit from doing what he intends to do. I am a stumbling block to the Spirit of God, when he swings that sword (which we take up, which we hold high) if we are in effect swiping at something else, we are taking away the force he intends to use.

I understand fully what you are saying brother, your intentions are honourable, but the battle is not ours. PUT ON, TAKE UP, the whole armour of God. That is all we do with the armour. The rest is down to the Spirit, our Faith and praying in The Word.

Bless you

 

[Bill]

Where did Jesus command that we pray directly to him?

I provided scripture that shows otherwise. So far, you've provided diddly squat. And to infer that someone is "easily offended" when you're the one runing around screaming that my posts are from the devil shows so an unfortunate lack of people skills, not to mention academic skills. So no, I'm not easily offended, though I find the same of you. Is that what this forum is about ?? Personality conflicts, mudslinging, browbeating others with pet doctrines without providing any measure of substantive scriptural (or rational) support? I've run into other so called "Christian" forums that are are designed to be a Roman Theological Circus. I'm a bit disappointed that my first post here has been so readily dragged into that nonsense. I truly hope this isn't one of those forums.

Again, please post something where Jesus commanded we pray "directly to him". Until then, I think I'll follow Jesus teaching as written here:

And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ASK THE FATHER in my name, he will give it you.​

(John 16:23 KJV) (my emphasis)​

The Jesuits feel this exact same way. They've murdered thousands of believers in the name of "heresy." Perhaps you may wish to consider joining them, but then again, why would anyone be proud of being combative in the name of someone who is called the Prince of Peace and brings a gospel of peace?

... have peace one with another.​

(Mark 9:50 KJV)​

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And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;​

(Ephesians 6:15 KJV)​

It seems rather ironic that you wish to FIGHT the "heresy" of Greek grammar, or the "heresy" of Jesus' teachings when the gospel we are to present to others is a gospel of peace, and our armour is to have boots of peace, not hobnailed jackboots to stomp all over everyone we think is a heretic. But ultimately it's up to you to decide if your posts and demeanor align with these teachings:

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;​

(Matthew 5:44 KJV)​

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;​

(Hebrews 12:14-15 KJV)​

I decline your offer of combat.


When in fact you have exposed yourself by rejecting this verse...

And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ASK THE FATHER in my name, he will give it you.​

(John 16:23 KJV) (my emphasis)​

How ironic.

There are many other verses where Jesus commanded us to pray to the Father. Every believer ought to have learned about and should practice the Lord's Prayer. Don't you?

After this manner therefore PRAY !! ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.​

(Matthew 6:9 KJV)​

The verb "to pray" is in the imperative mood and as such is understood as a command by anyone conversant in Greek. Jesus COMMANDED us to PRAY to our Father which is in heaven. Again, I think I shall follow the command of Jesus to pray to the Father instead of the opinion of JerryfromMass who (so far) hasn't posted anything but his own opinion.

Again,the purpose of my post in this thread is to show that the Greek syntax of Epheisians 6:17 proves that the SPIRIT is the Word of God (i.e. Rhema of God), and the SWORD is PRAYER.

So if I may in all sincerity, "Father in heaven I pray in Jesus name that you help JerryfromMass grow in the peace of the Lord to understand the truth found in the Epistle of Ephesians that as directly written in Greek, the Spirit is the Rhema-Word of God, and that our Sword in the "whole armour of God" that we are to wield is prayer."


It's "anti-Christian" to advocate that we follow the commands of Jesus to pray to the Father ??

Well I'm sure that somehow makes sense to you.... but...

Blessings from your peaceful heretic.
(as I decline further combat and hope the mods end it.)
Rhema

Have you ever noticed how silly Christians are . I see it a lot. It gets to the point where you just have to laugh. ( Angels just roll thier eyes )

Jesus , God , The Father , the Holy Spirit, are all One God. It can be mind boggling to everyone. So dont feel out of place. Even the most learned grapple with this.

And each is individually its own self

My best explanation is that of a candle. We see the mystery of the fire , the Holy Spirit . The part we see best, is the wax , Jesus. And we only see a little of the wick, that is only revealed through the wax. The wick is the Father. Together, they are one, the Trinity

 

[Brother-Paul]

May God be Praised Forever.

If God chose to, he could do everything Himself, but He choses to let His servants do the work.

The Angel came to Mary
The Angels came to Lot
Samuel was sent to David
John the Baptist the voice in the wilderness
Jesus sent out His Apostles
And so on

It is true with me, i have been sent.

I have been given the Sword of God. It is the Lord Himself that calls me the Sword of God, and the Word of God burns in me.

I am One of the Two Golden Lampstands that stands before the Lord.

Sincerely the Servant of God

Greeting Bill

Our 'work' is to bring people to Christ, bring people to Jesus.

The Holy Spirit's work is in the Spirit, we raise the sword, we cannot control the spirit of God, He is to powerful, but we can be a stumbling block by trying to do GHis work.

We are all lights to the world when saved brother.

Shalom

 

[Brother-Paul]

My best explanation is that of a candle. We see the mystery of the fire , the Holy Spirit . The part we see best, is the wax , Jesus. And we only see a little of the wick, that is only revealed through the wax. The wick is the Father. Together, they are one, the Trinity

The Father can get on my wick any day brother, I just pray I do not get on his.

 

[Bill]

Greeting Bill

Our 'work' is to bring people to Christ, bring people to Jesus.

The Holy Spirit's work is in the Spirit, we raise the sword, we cannot control the spirit of God, He is to powerful, but we can be a stumbling block by trying to do GHis work.

We are all lights to the world when saved brother.

Shalom

It is the same

The Holy Spirit sends the armies of Heaven against the darkness. I am only a soldier in the army.

I walk in spirit to do this.

Our fight is against the darkness. Rarely humans see anything of the dark forces arrayed against them.

If you could see the Angels fighting the darkness in your very mist, you would sing another tune. You would be thankful for any who took up swords against them.

If you can understand, the darkness doesnt want Christians to think of God for even 1 second.

The more Christians sin, the greater the strength the darkness has. Why do you think the World is in such straights. Deceptive teachings abound. Like once saved you can not sin, its hog wash. Christians are worse than the pagans when it comes to sins against God.

There are many Christians who are also in the new age movement. It drives me nuts.

 

[Rhema]

Have you ever noticed how silly Christians are .

Yes, they make up all kind of wild fantastic fantasy doctrines out of things that aren't written, things they don't understand, and things they can't explain.

Gotta luv it.

 

[Bill]

It is the same

The Holy Spirit sends the armies of Heaven against the darkness. I am only a soldier in the army.

I walk in spirit to do this.

Our fight is against the darkness. Rarely humans see anything of the dark forces arrayed against them.

If you could see the Angels fighting the darkness in your very mist, you would sing another tune. You would be thankful for any who took up swords against them.

If you can understand, the darkness doesnt want Christians to think of God for even 1 second.

The more Christians sin, the greater the strength the darkness has. Why do you think the World is in such straights. Deceptive teachings abound. Like once saved you can not sin, its hog wash. Christians are worse than the pagans when it comes to sins against God.

There are many Christians who are also in the new age movement. It drives me nuts.

 

[Bethel]

To put on the Armor of God is to rely on Christ alone to keep you saved.

The Armor of God is a spiritual application that provides this. .. "Christ always gives me the Victory".
So, if your faith is right, then you will never believe that water saved you, and you will never believe that you can lose your salvation.
When your faith is wrong, you are here....>"Apart from me you can do nothing", Jesus said.
So, you can be born again, and yet your faith is in yourself, as "what i have to do, what i must do, to stay saved".
And in that self righteous mind, your faith in Christ is missing, you are "fallen from Grace'..... and the armor of God is not applied.
In this wrong place of faith, you will sin and confess, and not be able to stop.

 

[Mayflower]

Have you ever noticed how silly Christians are . I see it a lot. It gets to the point where you just have to laugh. ( Angels just roll thier eyes )

Jesus , God , The Father , the Holy Spirit, are all One God. It can be mind boggling to everyone. So dont feel out of place. Even the most learned grapple with this.

And each is individually its own self

My best explanation is that of a candle. We see the mystery of the fire , the Holy Spirit . The part we see best, is the wax , Jesus. And we only see a little of the wick, that is only revealed through the wax. The wick is the Father. Together, they are one, the Trinity

Love that analogy.

 

[Bill]

To put on the Armor of God is to rely on Christ alone to keep you saved.

The Armor of God is a spiritual application that provides this. .. "Christ always gives me the Victory".
So, if your faith is right, then you will never believe that water saved you, and you will never believe that you can lose your salvation.
When your faith is wrong, you are here....>"Apart from me you can do nothing", Jesus said.
So, you can be born again, and yet your faith is in yourself, as "what i have to do, what i must do, to stay saved".
And in that self righteous mind, your faith in Christ is missing, you are "fallen from Grace'..... and the armor of God is not applied.
In this wrong place of faith, you will sin and confess, and not be able to stop.

I know you would think the Armor of God is a spiritual thing, but it is not only spiritual.

It is the same as God's love and forgiveness

We see this best in who Jesus is. He is the Word that became flesh.

And we can also see this very well where Jesus forgives a man his sins. ( the story of the paraplegic that was lowered through a hole in the roof )

The Pharisees complain by saying only God can forgive sin.

To which Jesus replied get up and walk.

You see the spiritual and the physical.

In spiritual warfare I was hit the enemy one time and had three physical broken ribs from the experience

Things happen all the time in the spiritual and are reflected in the physical world the same is true with the armor of God you might not be able to see it but it's in the physical world as well.

Just look at Elijah when he was speaking with the child who could not see why Elijah was laughing so hard. And Elijah saying to the Lord please let this child see and then the child saw the Angels taking it to the enemies of Israel

Just because you can't see it or that you can't touch it doesn't mean it isn't real

 

[Bill]

To put on the Armor of God is to rely on Christ alone to keep you saved.

The Armor of God is a spiritual application that provides this. .. "Christ always gives me the Victory".
So, if your faith is right, then you will never believe that water saved you, and you will never believe that you can lose your salvation.
When your faith is wrong, you are here....>"Apart from me you can do nothing", Jesus said.
So, you can be born again, and yet your faith is in yourself, as "what i have to do, what i must do, to stay saved".
And in that self righteous mind, your faith in Christ is missing, you are "fallen from Grace'..... and the armor of God is not applied.
In this wrong place of faith, you will sin and confess, and not be able to stop.

By the way why would you ever say that water saved you I've never heard anyone ever say that.

The baptism of water is more than just water on your head it is a covenant that you make with God to choose to walk His path

As for losing salvation Judas didn't think he was going to lose his either. After all Jesus was the one that stated that his name was written in heaven.

 

[Bethel]

I know you would think the Armor of God is a spiritual thing, but it is not only spiritual.

It is the same as God's love and forgiveness

God is "A" Spirit.
This is Father God.
If you want God in a body, then you look to the Cross, and on it you find God as Christ on the Cross.

"To Put on", God's Armor, is to first realize that it's God's Armor.
Its not yours.
Its not your self effort to try to pray harder, or be better, as that is all of YOU.
Whereas GOD's armor, Is GOD's ARMOR.......so, that has to be Spiritual, as God is "A" Spirit.

You can't put the Spiritual on like a shirt, ,and, if the armor of God was the same as "the righteousness of God in Christ".....If the Armor was Salvation, then you would not be told to put it on.
So, the armor of God, is Spiritual, and we put it on because we fight not again "flesh and blood, but spiritual wickedness".......and that is ALL Spiritual.
A spiritual battle needs spiritual armor.

Putting on the armor of God is like "renewing" you mind, as Paul instructs. So, all of this is faith based, its understanding deeply who we are become as a new Creation.....As all things with God are Truth, Spirit, Life.

 

[Bethel]

By the way why would you ever say that water saved you I've never heard anyone ever say that.

The baptism of water is more than just water on your head it is a covenant that you make with God to choose to walk His path

Water baptism is not a covenant that you make with God.
What covenant does a sinner think they are going to make with God.
What are you thinking ???

Water baptism is the symbolic public acknowledgement of what has occurred to you literally , spiritually.
If you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are born again, then when you come out of the water, you are symbolically showing your death and resurrection with Christ, that has literally occurred in the Spirit, before you ever got wet.

 

[Bill]

God is "A" Spirit.
This is Father God.
If you want God in a body, then you look to the Cross, and on it you find God as Christ on the Cross.

"To Put on", God's Armor, is to first realize that it's God's Armor.
Its not yours.
Its not your self effort to try to pray harder, or be better, as that is all of YOU.
Whereas GOD's armor, Is GOD's ARMOR.......so, that has to be Spiritual, as God is "A" Spirit.

You can't put the Spiritual on like a shirt, ,and, if the armor of God was the same as "the righteousness of God in Christ".....If the Armor was Salvation, then you would not be told to put it on.
So, the armor of God, is Spiritual, and we put it on because we fight not again "flesh and blood, but spiritual wickedness".......and that is ALL Spiritual.
A spiritual battle needs spiritual armor.

Putting on the armor of God is like "renewing" you mind, as Paul instructs. So, all of this is faith based, its understanding deeply who we are become as a new Creation.....As all things with God are Truth, Spirit, Life.

I know you did not understand me .

God is way more than just spirit. Spirit is our best understanding of God.

As an example . John 1:1 states in the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God.

My question to you is this , Is the Word a spirit ?

The spoken Word , is it spirit?

Yet scripture states , the Word was God.

So if we accept the Word is Spirit, then what you read is spirit.

And if we say the Word is physical , then how can the Word be God?

Unless, the understanding of what God is, is flawed.

This is why i am telling you, God is way more than spirit

 

[Bill]

Water baptism is not a covenant that you make with God.
What covenant does a sinner think they are going to make with God.
What are you thinking ???

Water baptism is the symbolic public acknowledgement of what has occurred to you literally , spiritually.
If you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are born again, then when you come out of the water, you are symbolically showing your death and resurrection with Christ, that has literally occurred in the Spirit, before you ever got wet.

The Water Baptism is more than symbolic. It is an agreement , you make with God. An acceptance of recieving God into your life and God recieving you into his family..

The catholics do it a little differently. As men and women of faith will stand as advocate for babies. Then when the children recieve education and understanding of the Baptism, they recieve what is called Confermation.

 

[Bethel]

My question to you is this , Is the Word a spirit ?

According to Jesus it is, but, according to you, there will be another post denying it.
Till then.....

Jesus said..>"my words are spirit and life".
That's John 6.

So, im not sure why you have an issue with God being A Spirit and Jesus's Words being Spirit and Jesus the Word, pre-incarnate, as the same, .....but, i'll let you think about that.

 

[Bethel]

The Water Baptism is more than symbolic. It is an agreement , y

Nonsense.

Listen carefully.
The Gift of Salvation, that is God as Christ on the Cross, offering you SALVATiON, makes no requirement of you....except that you BELIEVE.
This is why you have this...>"faith is counted as righteousness".....and "justification BY faith, without works"
God does not offer deals, whereby if you promise to be good then God will allow you to be saved, as long as you promise to be good

So, im not yet certain what type of denominational legalism you are selling, but, its definitely not a friend of the Grace of God or the Cross of Christ.

 

[Rhema]

God is "A" Spirit.

I am sorry Bethel, the indirect article ("A") does not exist in Koine Greek. You are adding words and changing concepts that cannot be based upon the text (and language) of the scripture. Is that a wise thing to do?

"To Put on", God's Armor, is to first realize that it's God's Armor.
Its not yours.

It is designated as God's Armor to be descriptive in opposition to the World's Armor. One might best think of it as the armor from God. In this case, the Genitive is not meant to indicate possession (a thing that God is holding or owns), but causation - the Attributive Genitive (a thing describing an attribute or quality to the head noun) - Divine Armor.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The spoken Word , is it spirit?

Yes. As is written here:

του πνευματος ο εστιν ρημα θεου

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The catholics do it a little differently. As men and women of faith will stand as advocate for babies. Then when the children recieve education and understanding of the Baptism, they recieve what is called Confermation.

Bill, I don't find this to be true within the Catholic Catechism. Might you indicate your sources? From what I know, they teach that the physical act of Baptism washes away original sin. (Althoughthis is rather off point, and might be best addressed in the "Baptism here we go again" thread.)

Thanks,
Rhema