I am beginning to think that Christians do not understand anything about Good morals or how morals are determine.

[PloughBoy]

Well for one thing, we are in New Testament times.

When people accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior -- they gain a new perspective of ethics and morality. God's Word -- well they become a new creation in Christ.

But still Jesus Christ has commanded us to obey The Moral LAW of GOD. and that is indicative. But you may choose what you please. And GOD is not going to twist anyones arm to obey Him. You can do what ever you want to do. How ever you please.

And as as far as accepting Jesus Christ, have never change any bodies mind, ethics or morality. It takes a whole lot more than accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior to accomplish that task, and to become a new creation. they might think they have become a New creature, It is going to be a act of "GOD" before they can do anything and then JESUS IS their SAVIOR. and Then they have to learn what all of this stuff is all about. And it might seem like a "paradox" and it is "complicated" for every "Divine" act is.

And you are right this is The New testament era. And GOD has given some, not all a "New Covenant" and we are glad.

The true Children of GOD are "BOUGHT" out of "The Bondages of Corruption" they were sold by another slave master. a very cruel one. The New Slave Master chose The Slaves HE wanted to purchase and then He BOUGHT them, Paid for Them by HIS Blood. And Now They Have become HIS "Slaves' and They call HIM "MASTER" and LORD" and They do what HE says. And they do not follow another. Because they were sold and Bought with a price. And they do not belong to themselves. A slave has not a right to choose or accept anything but death.

I can get deeper a lot deeper, I been being shallow for a long time. Now is the time for many to grow up, into "SonShip" and leave off the elementariness of the mortal man concerning the manifestation of The LIVING GOD. That this world and it's occupants of this planet have no idea of The MIND of a Real Child of GOD walking The PATH in This Contaminate "Futile" lace with "Vanity upon Vanities" and without The "PARACLETOS" it is no way in This world we could make it here. without Him Holding our HANDS.

Even Jesus Had to cry out with so much despair:

Numbers 32:13,14
And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed…

American Standard Version (Mark)
And he answereth them and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I bear with you? bring him unto me.

He is so patience with us. it is called "Mercy and GRACE" He Loves HIS only begotten SON. if he didn't, we would be in trouble.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy --the. Cross of Jesus Christ --His shed blood is sufficient for our salvation. At the moment of our accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Savior , the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us. He changes our desires --we will want to please God. The Ten commandments are restated in the New Testament. All except keeping the Sabbath day. And we are also told to love the Lord God with all our heart,soul. And mind. And then our neighbor as our self.

A person's salvation is the work of the entire Godhead. The holy spirit and Jesus Christ are part of the Godhead.

Actually salvation is very simple -- so even a child can understand and accept.

Once we are a child of God --we are to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ
Which happens as a person is reading His Word and fellowshipping with other believers
Hearing God's Word taught

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy --the. Cross of Jesus Christ --His shed blood is sufficient for our salvation. At the moment of our accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Savior , the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us. He changes our desires --we will want to please God. The Ten commandments are restated in the New Testament. All except keeping the Sabbath day. And we are also told to love the Lord God with all our heart,soul. And mind. And then our neighbor as our self.

A person's salvation is the work of the entire Godhead. The holy spirit and Jesus Christ are part of the Godhead.

Actually salvation is very simple -- so even a child can understand and accept.

Once we are a child of God --we are to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ
Which happens as a person is reading His Word and fellowshipping with other believers
Hearing God's Word taught

ok, I do understand what you are saying,,,, been there ... Thought those thoughts over 40 years ago, "Baptist" terminologies, Baptist Interpretations, and dogma , but most Baptist still is not consistent with its own "Articles of Faith" and "Baptist Covenant". For I am more Baptist than you could ever Imagine. So i will be kind once again. You are out of your League. Instructing me about "Salvation", "Christ", the term "personal Savior" and "The Paracletos" The ten Commandments, The New Covenant, The Sabbath, about Love, about lord, about Lord, about LORD, and about "THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY" about the "HEART" the SOUL, and The Finite Mind, and they will be taught that all men are not our "Neighbor" But Know "GOD".

And i am going to say it again, you are out of your League, way out of your league, Thinking you can instruct me. you have miss the mark at every target. And you need to listen to many men and women on this channel. And they can show you a most and excellent way. Better than I

Now you choose, For now is the Day of Your Salvation and "REPENT" for "The KINGDOM of GOD" is at hand Now you choose "ZACCHAEUS"

Jesus and Zacchaeus
"And all who saw this began to grumble, saying, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinful man!” But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look,Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it four fold.”Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man too is a son of Abraham.…"

Now Sue you "REPENT" for This DAY is your DAY. Now put that "Pride" under your Feet. and Swallow it. And let your soul be "Broken" beyond repair. In Brokenness in Loneliness , even in despair He is there. And Let The HEALING HOLY OIL of GOD cover your soul. And every tear you cry He places it in HIs Bottle........Now you pour you 'soul" out to GOD and tell Him you are sorry and have mercy on you, pour it all out. every Drop.
Tell Him. tell it all! Tell HIM!

 

[Sue D.]

It's Bible doctrine.

And I won't respond back to any of your other comments

 

[PloughBoy]

It's Bible doctrine.

And I won't respond back to any of your other comments

That is your call.

 

[Gregoryp]

DO christians really understands the concept and the arrivement of morals and who determines it, the standard.

you typed the word christian, I think you inadvertently answered your own question.

 

[Gregoryp]

@PloughBoy --the. Cross of Jesus Christ --His shed blood is sufficient for our salvation. At the moment of our accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Savior , the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us. He changes our desires --we will want to please God. The Ten commandments are restated in the New Testament. All except keeping the Sabbath day. And we are also told to love the Lord God with all our heart,soul. And mind. And then our neighbor as our self.

A person's salvation is the work of the entire Godhead. The holy spirit and Jesus Christ are part of the Godhead.

Actually salvation is very simple -- so even a child can understand and accept.

Once we are a child of God --we are to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ
Which happens as a person is reading His Word and fellowshipping with other believers
Hearing God's Word taught

there are people like this, who do not fit into the worlds religions etc. This as far as we are concerned is how it is done.

 

[Gregoryp]

this as well

 

[Sue D.]

Could you simply share rather than do the videos.

 

[PloughBoy]

this as well

WE cannot deny who we are, To Him My Spirit that is within me almost fainted, when this portion of The "Holy Scripture" ran by my eyes on that media video.
New King James Version (Deuteronomy 14)
For you are a Holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has CHOSEN YOU to be a people for Himself, A SPECIAL TREASURE ABOVE ALL THE PEOPLES who are on the face of the earth.

That wave Hit me like a "tsunami" wave. Really! I cannot deny that. If I was not a Child of The LIVING GOD I would have drown! That wave Hit My SOUL in waves. It was there and then It was Gone.

 

[Gregoryp]

WE cannot deny who we are, To Him My Spirit that is within me almost fainted, when this portion of The "Holy Scripture" ran by my eyes on that media video.
New King James Version (Deuteronomy 14)
For you are a Holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has CHOSEN YOU to be a people for Himself, A SPECIAL TREASURE ABOVE ALL THE PEOPLES who are on the face of the earth.

That wave Hit me like a "tsunami" wave. Really! I cannot deny that. If I was not a Child of The LIVING GOD I would have drown! That wave Hit My SOUL in waves. It was there and then It was Gone.

for many years I was trying to be immersed in this world, and could not understand why it was so painful and frustrating. It has taken me a long time to understand why I dont fit in AT ALL. So for me its all three criteria, physically, mentally and spiritually seperated from the world. Now I have a battle to remove remnants of worldy thinking, its not easy, especially when there is almost constant spiritual attacks. We are the very few. Many will watch that movie and totally lack any understanding or state that they are indeed of us as well. The most high Elohim roars with laughter to the majority who make the latter statement.

 

[Sue D.]

For a believer, being totally immersed in the world won't work. But at the same time --we do live In this world. Are we being so heavenly minded that we may as well not be here. We still have neighbors and jobs and being social with them.

You commented about working With worldly thinking. What do you consider to be worldly thinking.

 

[PloughBoy]

You got that right:
"being so heavenly minded that we may as well not be here." You have no choice, to be in a place you absolutely Don't fit! That is why He "Commanded" us and not them Your citizenship is Not here! You ain't nothing but a "Pilgrim" traveling through. "So set you mind on another Land, a land the old negro slaves used to say: : "Way Over Yonder" in a Far off place. " Beulah Land". Over Yonder!

 

[Sue D.]

Yes but we are still here.

 

[PloughBoy]

Yes but we are still here.

You might be, But i can be in two places at one time.

 

[Gregoryp]

Yes but we are still here.

its a rejection of modern day slavery, its a rejection of wordly traditions and conditioning, a rejection of being involved in politics and striving for peace and harmony which you will never obtain here. Its living and behaving so it doesnt interfere with your true self and your journey with Christ. It means you dont do something just because it feels good, this leads you to sin. You find your niche and stick with it. Since very early childhood i could see there was something seriously wrong with the people in this world and there made up systems. I wanted no part of it even from the age of around 9 years old. I was always thought of as a very strange child lol.

 

[Sue D.]

There will be peace and harmony during the 1000yr reign of Jesus Christ here on earth.

 

[Sue D.]

You might be, But i can be in two places at one time.

No you can't.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

DO christians really understands the concept and the arrivement of morals and who determines it, the standard.

"Morals", and "Ethics" are totally Subjective, and based on NOTHING other that the majority social opinion du jour about "how things should be".

The Bible doesn't concern itself with "Morals". It's centered on SIN, and Righteousness, as defined by God, who provided the SOLUTION to the human SIN problem.

Humans make all sorts of definitions, regulations, laws, etc. according to their own human wisdom. Some are good, some are STUPID, and some are exceedingly harmful, but ALL of them seemed "good" to whomeverer put 'em in effect. but we all know that reigning "Morals" and "Ethics" change with the phase of the moon, and are reliable evidence of NOTHING AT ALL.

 

[Sue D.]

I don't know where you get your information from , but....there are something's that are affected by the moon. But not a person's sense of morals and/ or ethics. And you are part of the human race and God's Word is meant for us human beings.

And God's Word says we are all responsible to obey the local a federal laws as long as they don't go against God's laws. And even when laws seem stupid as they do sometimes. There will be consequences for not obeying them.