I am beginning to think that Christians do not understand anything about Good morals or how morals are determine.
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Just remember, we are the few, your addressing the christians who go to church each Sunday, they have there own battles, which are not ours. Trying to have them be like "us" is futile. All they will do is argue or declare we dont exist.Simple. There are "morals" and then there are "Godly Morals" and a child of God should know the difference. And how each has come to be. With all of our getting get understanding.
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Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get [Godly] wisdom; Yea, with all thy getting get understanding.
We must remember "we are not like them" neither can they be like us. Neither can they explain these things to us, Neither can they see what we see. neither can they understand what we understand. For it is impossible, because they do not have The "ABILITY" to do so.For we are a different kind of "Creature"
You are differentiating yourself from other christians. Why?
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This isn’t about positivity or negativity. The devil told Eve that she will not die from eating the forbidden fruit, that’s positivity in human’s eyes but a positive lie like that doomed mankind to slavery of sin. The devil is very fond of telling positive things to humans, but those positivity are lies used to destroy you.
You are hypnotised by the positive/negative theology that has nothing to do with the truth of God. If you are not abiding in the truth, your positivity will not save you. If you are friends with the world you are an enemy of God according to apostle James, that’s negativity and yet that is the truth. Do you believe in apostle James’ negative sounding truth or do you want to stay in your comfort zone and believe in the devil’s positive sounding lies? The decision is yours and it determines where you will end up in eternity.
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I like your style
Isn't our life supposed to be attracting people to Jesus Christ.
Hie many people are going to be attracted by a sour-apples facial expression. Or a bah-humbug attitude towards life. If your life is the 1st 'bible' a person :reads' , what are they going to 'read'.
Hie many people are going to be attracted by a sour-apples facial expression. Or a bah-humbug attitude towards life. If your life is the 1st 'bible' a person :reads' , what are they going to 'read'.
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"Isn't our life supposed to be attracting people to Jesus Christ."
answer: No
Following Jesus is not a Attracting life. Follow that path that Jesus has command us to take is not a path that is attractive or one would desire to take. You must be empowered by another "Force" beyond your own power.You are hated by mankind.
even by your own household.
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English Standard Version
and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Berean Study Bible
You will be hated by everyone because of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
Isaiah 66:5
You who tremble at His word, hear the word of the LORD: "Your brothers who hate you and exclude you because of My name have said, 'Let the LORD be glorified that we may see your joy!' But they will be put to shame."
Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
They do not think they hated you but they do.
John 15:21
But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Berean Study Bible
You will be hated by everyone because of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
Isaiah 66:5
You who tremble at His word, hear the word of the LORD: "Your brothers who hate you and exclude you because of My name have said, 'Let the LORD be glorified that we may see your joy!' But they will be put to shame."
Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
They do not think they hated you but they do.
John 15:21
But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
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"For he grew up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
He was despised, and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and as one from whom men hide their face he was despised; and we esteemed him not.
New King James Version
I have become a stranger to my brothers, And an alien to my mother’s children;
New American Standard Bible
I have become estranged from my brothers, And a stranger to my mother’s sons.
"I was a reproach among all my enemies, but especially among my neighbors, and a fear to my acquaintance: they that did see me without fled from me."
"But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked" The "Via Dolorosa" .
He was despised, and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and as one from whom men hide their face he was despised; and we esteemed him not.
New King James Version
I have become a stranger to my brothers, And an alien to my mother’s children;
New American Standard Bible
I have become estranged from my brothers, And a stranger to my mother’s sons.
"I was a reproach among all my enemies, but especially among my neighbors, and a fear to my acquaintance: they that did see me without fled from me."
"But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked" The "Via Dolorosa"
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' Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh,
arm yourselves likewise with the same mind:
for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men,
but to the will of God. '
(1Peter 4:1-2)
' For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles,
when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.'
(1 Peter 4:3-5)
' Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. '
(1 Peter 4:12-13)
' If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified. '
(1Pet. 4:14)
' But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf'
(1Pet. 4:15-16)
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' For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God
commit the keeping of their souls to Him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
(1Pe 4:17-19)
arm yourselves likewise with the same mind:
for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men,
but to the will of God. '
(1Peter 4:1-2)
' For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles,
when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.'
(1 Peter 4:3-5)
' Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. '
(1 Peter 4:12-13)
' If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified. '
(1Pet. 4:14)
' But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf'
(1Pet. 4:15-16)
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' For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God
commit the keeping of their souls to Him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
(1Pe 4:17-19)
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John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him”
It is the Father who is responsible for drawing people to Christ, not Christians.
Galatians 1:10 “For if I were still pleasing men, I wouldn't be a servant of Christ.”
You are sorely deceived that Christians should be positive minded people pleasers that avoid telling the harsh truth in trying to attract people to Christ. Paul and Jesus my Lord made it clear that it is God who draws people to Christ and true Christians or servants of Christ aren’t people pleasers.
While it is true that the Holy Spirit does draw a person to salvation, he also uses various ways to do that.
Also the fruit of the spirit are love, joy peace long-suffering ,gentleness , etc. Why would a born again believer have a humdrum attitude and or negativity towards life. Shouldn't we have an inner peacefulness that others can observe .
Also the fruit of the spirit are love, joy peace long-suffering ,gentleness , etc. Why would a born again believer have a humdrum attitude and or negativity towards life. Shouldn't we have an inner peacefulness that others can observe .
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Various ways? What ways? And are these ways based on the Gospels or are the ways inventions of men?
Speaking the harsh truth without reservation does not mean one lacks peace or the fruits of the Spirit. If so, Jesus would have not talked about judgment or hell or give any warnings
about false messiahs and prophets. He would also not condemn the Pharisees and scribes, calling them white washed tombs and the likes.
Why does speaking the truth need to be done harshly. Why not speak the truth in a loving way.
Those various mediums I'd mentioned. A person can hear God's Word through a pastor , through reading God's Word yourself, through a gospel tract. Through a Bible study group. Some time ago I'd read where a guy was being witnessed to and passed on it -- but another guy standing around the corner heard the conversation and was convicted and accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior.
Those various mediums I'd mentioned. A person can hear God's Word through a pastor , through reading God's Word yourself, through a gospel tract. Through a Bible study group. Some time ago I'd read where a guy was being witnessed to and passed on it -- but another guy standing around the corner heard the conversation and was convicted and accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior.
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Speaking the harsh truth does not equal using a harsh attitude. But even Jesus was harsh towards the Pharisees and yet He is full of love. Ask Him why then He must be so harsh towards the Pharisees.
While it's true that Jesus Christ was harsh towards the pharisees back on that day,. He was also perfect. I don't think we can use His actions as an excuse for our harshness. We can point out scriptures that state that everyone is a sinner and needs salvation. I equate harsh with mean- spirited towards a person.
