I am beginning to think that Christians do not understand anything about Good morals or how morals are determine.

[ChristianConsFurryGuy]

DO christians really understands the concept and the arrivement of morals and who determines it, the standard.

No, we really do not.

Human idea of morality is ambiguous. Just look at civilizations in general. Many civilizations believed sacrificing humans in grisly forms of ritual murder was acceptable behavior, similar to how many of us believe in aborting unborn babies is morally acceptable as well. We base our morality on our own collective ideals and perspective, and not on a absolute standard of behavior.

Say a person throws a life preserver out to a man struggling to stay afloat in the water. That person is doing something good for them. If the man who was saved pushes the man who saved him out of the boat to get in and save themselves, we see that as evil. Yet the man in the boat may be saving others in the boat because one more person could capsize the boat. Again, its based on perspective.

But if we had a moral absolute, a rigid dogma of ethical behavior to follow along, it helps us as sinful creatures to learn to live in the spirit of God.

Do not rely on mankind's wisdom and ethics, but lean on the absolute nature of righteousness found in God and his word. As it is written:

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."

And again it is written:

Matthew 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you."

 

[Sue D.]

God's Word is very clear. Read it

 

[PloughBoy]

While it's true that Jesus Christ was harsh towards the pharisees back on that day,. He was also perfect. I don't think we can use His actions as an excuse for our harshness. We can point out scriptures that state that everyone is a sinner and needs salvation. I equate harsh with mean- spirited towards a person.

Jesus spoke harsh in The New testament and the Old testament. He said things that the christians refuse to speak in their churches. he said things that the church in this world considered it unholy for their ears. and regard some of his words as Profane and unholy. I know what is in my Bible, and these pastors and preachers are so afraid to offend the female gender who have gather in their Temples. And Afraid you will not show up upon The Sun's Day Morning worship and their "coffers" will grow empty.

The Day of the "PINK Bibles" is Drawing to an end. because A new Sheriff, is coming to Town. And he WILL RULE with a "IRON ROD"! and Every Knee will BOW, For many will not want to BOW, But HE will make them BOW. for He has been Given these "Commands by HIS FATHER" And HE will Not Hesitate. For HE is "The LION of The TRIBE of JUDAH". He is "THE SON of THE LIVING GOD" And ALL of THE Mountains, the Hills, the STARS, The RIVERS, The OCEANS, The TREES, The WIND, The MOON< The BEARST of The FIELDS, The BIRDS in The SKIES are GOING to BOW TO The "PREEMINENCE OF JESUS CHRIST" FOR THIS IS "INDICATIVE' and a "Proclamation"

Now all of you who knows His name rejoice and Praise Him Now Behold The BEAUTY of THE LORD is being usher in. The GLORY of GOD will Be Magnified

And it will not be shape by the wills of A Mortal man. But By the Strong Hand of GOD. And if any resist, It will be crush upon Who it falls on.


New King James Version(Matthew 21)
And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”
New American Standard Bible
And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and on whomever it falls, it will crush him.”
NASB 1995
“And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”

(Zechariah 12)
NASB 1977
“And it will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.

King James Bible
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

And if , any think, GOD is Referring to corrupted Old Jerusalem the city who was make by The Corrupted hands of man. You are going to greatly Disappointed and you will become greatly undone.


And Sue: this is not directed at you but it is a "Proclamation" So do not be alarmed or offended in this matter. of This Complete "post' at all.

And what did God Say to Peter:
"Peter therefore seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”

We all, have been given orders by our "Commander in Chief " who have called us, into His Service. And we all will have to Give an account of our Personal Stewardship.. Each Soldier of Christ have been given his orders. and in a house there are many different kinds of Vessels, and they all belongs to the Master of the HOUSE, some of honor some of Dishonor. And his orders only comes from his own master and Not from a field hand

For my Sheep Hears My Voice. He is not going to obey another. I do not care if a ANGEL comes down from Heaven! He will not obey that Angel!

A New Sheriff is coming to Town. For no one have ever seen any thing like it! And No Human Mind could ever imagine anything like it. For it is being ushered in now.

 

[PloughBoy]

No, we really do not.

Human idea of morality is ambiguous. Just look at civilizations in general. Many civilizations believed sacrificing humans in grisly forms of ritual murder was acceptable behavior, similar to how many of us believe in aborting unborn babies is morally acceptable as well. We base our morality on our own collective ideals and perspective, and not on a absolute standard of behavior.

Say a person throws a life preserver out to a man struggling to stay afloat in the water. That person is doing something good for them. If the man who was saved pushes the man who saved him out of the boat to get in and save themselves, we see that as evil. Yet the man in the boat may be saving others in the boat because one more person could capsize the boat. Again, its based on perspective.

But if we had a moral absolute, a rigid dogma of ethical behavior to follow along, it helps us as sinful creatures to learn to live in the spirit of God.

Do not rely on mankind's wisdom and ethics, but lean on the absolute nature of righteousness found in God and his word. As it is written:

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."

And again it is written:

Matthew 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you."

I am impress "bugs" and I can recognize the collective group of study in your younger days. per=-se your "testimony"

 

[PloughBoy]

While it's true that Jesus Christ was harsh towards the pharisees back on that day,. He was also perfect. I don't think we can use His actions as an excuse for our harshness. We can point out scriptures that state that everyone is a sinner and needs salvation. I equate harsh with mean- spirited towards a person.

Sometimes, one might read a sense of Harshness but in Spiritual reality, it is "urgency" that many cannot see it, and it is a "Five Alarm Fire". in "Darkness" where the closeness of the Flames cannot be felt or seen. and many are asleep in the Light and they cannot see also The Flames that occupy's The Night.

But where much is given, Much is required For many of us "GOD" have given us a taste of the Flames that will engulf the night. And by that heat "GOD" has Given us A Special "TRUMPET" with a "distinctive" sound That can Sound That Alarm in The Mist of That kind of NIGHT.

So do not be Alarm,,,, For GOD Our Father has Given that Sound As A GRACE unto the WORLD. "And the Sound went Out unto The Whole World" For "REPENT the KINGDOM of GOD is At HAND" "WHO HAVE WARN YOU, TO FLEE,,, FROM THE WRATH THAT IS TO COME"?

"Blow The Trumpet in ZION" Sound the ALARM! And make that Sound Loud and Clear! "REPENT For The KINGDOM of GOD is At Hand"

 

[Sue D.]

God wants relationship with Him which comes through Jesus Christ.

God gives us His way of living -- His code of morals /ethics. He puts that in our heart and the Holy Spirit let's us know when we are staying.

With all the negativity you share here. Maybe you need to go to a different church or something.

If a person looks for the negatives they can be found. Which is also true of the positives.

Sure this world is a mixed up mess and some churches are the same way. But we can approach with a positive attitude. Maybe make an appointment with the pastor and share your concerns. Certainly couldn't hurt any.

 

[PloughBoy]

God wants relationship with Him which comes through Jesus Christ.

God gives us His way of living -- His code of morals /ethics. He puts that in our heart and the Holy Spirit let's us know when we are staying.

With all the negativity you share here. Maybe you need to go to a different church or something.

If a person looks for the negatives they can be found. Which is also true of the positives.

Sure this world is a mixed up mess and some churches are the same way. But we can approach with a positive attitude. Maybe make an appointment with the pastor and share your concerns. Certainly couldn't hurt any.

Church is not my God and i will never promote the "Circe",neither do i worship her. please stop trying to tell me to leave the "Preeminence" of GOD and worship "The Circe' i will not leave GOD who is My Father and The GOD of ALL the whole World to worship another. and Bow Down to a Creation so Help me GOD! For GOD is My Witness and The SON of GOD who has Redeem me from Such "worldly atrocities" and the ways of This "religious worldly" world. I refuse to be worldly. Many may have their worldly ways of religions and i refuse many invitations to engage in the ways of The Religious world. I will not join the "Circe" and let it be stamp and witness by The Spirit of The LIVING GOD. I refused The Circe's invitation to be a member of The "CIRCE"..

And I have no "animosity" concerning your ways of worship , for you may worship as you please. all 2.6 Billion plus Christians throughout the world and I Will never ask you to "forsake your god to follow in my footsteps. Because I believe everybody; "must work out their own Salvation"

I know you want more converts to your "circe" and to make disciples of them, as yourself. But i am not interested in such a endeavor.
But i will stick to "The Preeminence of Christ" and Him only.

and I have no other. So help me GOD. and I don't care if i have to stand all by myself. in the DARK, So Help me GOD Here i stand.

 

[Sue D.]

What is the "Circe" that you mentioned. Or maybe you misspelled something.

 

[PloughBoy]

What is the "Circe" that you mentioned. Or maybe you misspelled something.

Sue you been in organized religion just as long as i have. and it is not the 1st time i have mention it on talkjesus and gave full attention to it. and full explanation. from its roots and how it blossom from there.

 

[Sue D.]

Your very first sentence is confusing. But I'm also heading for bed.

 

[Sue D.]

Merry Christmas

 

[ChristianConsFurryGuy]

God wants relationship with Him which comes through Jesus Christ.

God gives us His way of living -- His code of morals /ethics. He puts that in our heart and the Holy Spirit let's us know when we are staying.

With all the negativity you share here. Maybe you need to go to a different church or something.

If a person looks for the negatives they can be found. Which is also true of the positives.

Sure this world is a mixed up mess and some churches are the same way. But we can approach with a positive attitude. Maybe make an appointment with the pastor and share your concerns. Certainly couldn't hurt any.

God wants relationship with Him which comes through Jesus Christ.

God gives us His way of living -- His code of morals /ethics. He puts that in our heart and the Holy Spirit let's us know when we are staying.

With all the negativity you share here. Maybe you need to go to a different church or something.

If a person looks for the negatives they can be found. Which is also true of the positives.

Sure this world is a mixed up mess and some churches are the same way. But we can approach with a positive attitude. Maybe make an appointment with the pastor and share your concerns. Certainly couldn't hurt any.

I'm not a pessimist, I see things as they are. There is a lot of negativity because anything that mankind creates is for their own selfish and wicked desires. That's how it is. If you think otherwise, you are sadly naive.

That is why I rely more on God than ever. God is the epitome of positive belief and thought. My mother used to read a lot of Dr. Norman Vincent Peale and his power of positive thinking. I used to dismiss that talk as godless, but I find that the more I see about God's word and his promises, I feel more positive about things when I take it from His perspective.

Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may  prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

 

[Shaolin]

"I am beginning to think that Christians do not understand anything about Good morals or how morals are determine." The title of the thread"

I'm sorry, but i did not mention anything about anything related to "Christianity" or "Religion" or anything relating to the "Word of God".
I thought, i use proper "english syntax". But i did notice i did refer to a group of people and my observation of how they view a certain principle and how that principle come to be.

Not to be rude, but you hardly ever use "proper English or syntax" in your posts. That is why when I first began conversing with you I asked you if English was your first language...

And, BTW, when you include the word "Christians" in your sentence, you DO mention directly related to Christianity...

I will leave it at that...

 

[PloughBoy]

Not to be rude, but you hardly ever use "proper English or syntax" in your posts. That is why when I first began conversing with you I asked you if English was your first language...

And, BTW, when you include the word "Christians" in your sentence, you DO mention directly related to Christianity...

I will leave it at that...

You better leave it there. And I am going to to be kind to you . With all of the tact and diplomacy my corrupted soul can put out. Because words cannot even in Hebrews terms express the corruption I see in you and I am not afraid to unleash things you know nothing of. So I will say in kindness backup and stay in your lane until the appointed day. For you do not know what you are dealing with.
And I bid you not GOD Speed.

the wise thing for you to Do is not to respond and remain quiet and let the Smothering flame burn out .

 

[Shaolin]

You better leave it there. And I am going to to be kind to you . With all of the tact and diplomacy my corrupted soul can put out. Because words cannot even in Hebrews terms express the corruption I see in you and I am not afraid to unleash things you know nothing of. So I will say in kindness backup and stay in your lane until the appointed day. For you do not know what you are dealing with.
And I bid you not GOD Speed.

the wise thing for you to Do is not to respond and remain quiet and let the Smothering flame burn out .

LOL! What are you, in your third kindergarten class! The only way you have any spiritual power, PB, is if you are a warlock...and even if you are one in disguise, satan has no power or authority over one who is abiding in Christ. There may be corruption in me as there is in every man walking the earth today, but that's beside the point. I don't need to know anything about your "things that you know nothing of," but I am sure that you are working your way to being kicked off yet another forum.

"For you do not know what you are dealing with."

That is an unmitigated threat, PB. Like I said, you are working your way to being kicked off yet ANOTHER forum. You just can't help it, can you?

By the way, you DO demonstrate exactly what spirit you are from in this post. Well done.