If the church is “Raptured” in this generation, what are the people left still, in the “Institutionalized church”, called?

[PloughBoy]

The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ",

comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one"

The answer to your question is in Acts 11:26

So the answer was "unsaved" people who hated the people of "The Way". So they coined the name "Christians" meaning those who followed a "heretic" who claim himself as the son of God! A blasphemer! A practice of godless ways. In other words a "Atheists". "And they were first called "Christians" in Acts 11:26. By pagans. A short note: below for clarification, and not destruction.

So it has been with the name ‘Christian.’ It was given at the first by the inhabitants of the Syrian city of Antioch, to a new sort of people that had sprung up amongst them, and whom they could not quite make out. They would not fit into any of their categories, and so they had to invent a new name for them. It is never used in the New Testament by Christians about themselves. It occurs here in this text; it occurs in Agrippa’s half-contemptuous exclamation: ‘You seem to think it is a very small matter to make me-me, a king!-a Christian, one of those despised people!’ And it occurs once more, where the Apostle Peter is specifying the charges brought against them: ‘If any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf {1 Peter 4:16}. That sounds like the beginning of the process which has gone on ever since, by which the nickname, flung by the sarcastic men of Antioch, has been turned into the designation by which, all over the world, the followers of Jesus Christ have been proud to call themselves. Shalom

 

[Bill]

I ask a question. Maybe I was not clear. I will try again. I did not ask for a definition of a modern Webster. "Who coined the word "Christian" a devil or a saint"?

I've answered your question multiple times with the same answer so what's the point

 

[PloughBoy]

I've answered your question multiple times with the same answer so what's the point

What was the answer? Saint or devil. The answer is one of the two you said neither. Like a yes or no. What part you don't understand about a on or off switch, like is it a boy or a girl. Oh I forgot this is a new generation, my bad.

 

[Bill]

What was the answer? Saint or devil. The answer is one of the two you said neither. Like a yes or no. What part you don't understand about a on or off switch, like is it a boy or a girl. Oh I forgot this is a new generation, my bad.

Why be so cynical , does those words come from the Holy Spirit . Isnt it true, a person born of the spirit ( Baptized in the Spirit ) has self control ?

 

[Bill]

What was the answer? Saint or devil. The answer is one of the two you said neither. Like a yes or no. What part you don't understand about a on or off switch, like is it a boy or a girl. Oh I forgot this is a new generation, my bad.

They are niether devil or saint , they are Christains . Good , Bad , and Ugly . Lol . They are you and me

 

[PloughBoy]

i think I will stop addressing any conversation with you. Per se "Proverbs". So happy hunting stranger.

 

[Dave M]

Honestly -- I think so -- probably -- but there's a lot of stuff that has so much speculation attached to it.

chapter 6 has the 4 different horses and then a white horse is mentioned in chapter 19

A lot of activity 'bowls' and the seven seals. etc. trying to get a handle on what is happening and realizing that a lot won't be understood until it's actually happening.

And then there are those who don't take the 1,000 yrs as literal. But as one day is as a 1,000 yrs and 1,000 yrs. as a day. And according to 'them' -- the 1,000 yrs. is really only one day.

if you believe that revelations is in chronological order, that would put the wedding feast at a differnt time period then the pre-trib theory puts it. its in Chapter 19

Revelation 19:9
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”


pre trib theory says it happens during the tribulation???

 

[Br. Bear]

@PloughBoy
Greetings.

It is usual that when referencing the men of Antioch 'labeling' the early Believers as Christian, it is done so with the connotation that it was derogatory.
It would appear that you agree with this?

flung by the sarcastic men of Antioch,

For clarity, could you please provide some reference to this as being a fact, if indeed it is.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

if you believe that revelations is in chronological order, that would put the wedding feast at a differnt time period then the pre-trib theory puts it. its in Chapter 19

Revelation 19:9
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”


pre trib theory says it happens during the tribulation???

Greetings,

good to search things out, Dave.

I sometimes wonder why this particular part of the Bible finds so many different takes on it and appears to be something that mos,t if not all, cannot agree on. To me, that indicates something that is of greater interest, but that's me, i suppose.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M.-- One thing I've understood is that the marriage supper of the Lamb is taking place in heaven during the time of the 7 yrs. happening down Here. That would indicate that the Church would have to be in heaven / raptured up and out of Here/ prior To those events. Right?!

@Br.Bear -- I've sort of wondered about that, too. Seems that there are those who see it as a 'badge of honor' to Live through all the mess that will be taking place down here during those 7 yrs. They Want to suffer as much as possible in the Name of Christ in order to be counted as 'worthy' -- maybe they equate it to bearing our cross as Christ bore His cross for 'us'. It would be the 'ultimate' of good works.

There are those who view a potential rapture as escapism. That it's really 'us' just wanting to avoid any real suffering.

If you're referring to the book itself -- there's a lot of symbolism-- things that don't make sense Now. If 'we' can't understand some of it, then it won't be happening. "We" tend to want to be able To understand what's going on around us. We feel more secure that way.

This present virus thing is showing that we Aren't in control. "We" are researching like crazy to find the source Of and can now blame it on China -- so 'we' are back in control with all the drastic measures being taken. And, well, that's another conversation that's already in another thread. But that's why there are those who don't want to believe in God. That puts 'someone' else as 'boss'. And we tend to want to be our Own boss.

Life, human nature, God's Word , being 'in charge' -- quite a combination. It's obvious that Someone Needs to be in charge. And Is in charge. God is the Only One with His Big Picture.

Need to get off my 'soap box'.

 

[Dave M]

One thing I've understood is that the marriage supper of the Lamb is taking place in heaven during the time of the 7 yrs. happening down Here. That would indicate that the Church would have to be in heaven / raptured up and out of Here/ prior To those events. Right?!

wrong!!!! according to the chronological order of the book of revelations, the wedding feast happens after tribulation. Chapter 19

so your either wrong on the timing of the wedding feast,,, or your wrong about the book of revelation being in chronological order...

so which one is it??

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Dave M.-- One thing I've understood is that the marriage supper of the Lamb is taking place in heaven during the time of the 7 yrs. happening down Here. That would indicate that the Church would have to be in heaven / raptured up and out of Here/ prior To those events. Right?!

@Br.Bear -- I've sort of wondered about that, too. Seems that there are those who see it as a 'badge of honor' to Live through all the mess that will be taking place down here during those 7 yrs. They Want to suffer as much as possible in the Name of Christ in order to be counted as 'worthy' -- maybe they equate it to bearing our cross as Christ bore His cross for 'us'. It would be the 'ultimate' of good works.

There are those who view a potential rapture as escapism. That it's really 'us' just wanting to avoid any real suffering.

If you're referring to the book itself -- there's a lot of symbolism-- things that don't make sense Now. If 'we' can't understand some of it, then it won't be happening. "We" tend to want to be able To understand what's going on around us. We feel more secure that way.

This present virus thing is showing that we Aren't in control. "We" are researching like crazy to find the source Of and can now blame it on China -- so 'we' are back in control with all the drastic measures being taken. And, well, that's another conversation that's already in another thread. But that's why there are those who don't want to believe in God. That puts 'someone' else as 'boss'. And we tend to want to be our Own boss.

Life, human nature, God's Word , being 'in charge' -- quite a combination. It's obvious that Someone Needs to be in charge. And Is in charge. God is the Only One with His Big Picture.

Need to get off my 'soap box'.

The person in charge Sue is 'The Rock' we put our faith in.

'The Rock' we need stand with, 'The Rock' of ages.

Jesus is 'The Rock', He is in charge but is not the 'boss', He is a friend in times of trouble and in times of joy.

Jesus is the sure foundation of our faith, He is our all. If He is not we are not with or on 'The Rock' and the foundations of our life will crumble, as it is with many now.

Bless you

 

[Sue D.]

wrong!!!! according to the chronological order of the book of revelations, the wedding feast happens after tribulation. Chapter 19

so your either wrong on the timing of the wedding feast,,, or your wrong about the book of revelation being in chronological order...

so which one is it??

And this is probably the very reason that people tend to leave the book of Revelation alone -- because it's Not clear-cut. And before you brought up the question of it's being in chronological order , I'd never given that a thought.
A lot is going to be happening. Chronological simply means one thing after another Happening.

The Bible we have -- the books are not in chronological order. Genesis Is the 1st book -- it Is the book of beginnings. The rest of them are grouped together / history / prophesy. There are Bible reading plans for reading in chronological order.

There are those who don't even believe there's going to be 1,000 yr reign of Christ. That a 1,000 yrs. is as a day and a day as a thousand years applies to That as well. And that If there is one -- it will be in heaven and not here on earth.

And then , depending on what part of the world a person is living in -- there are countries in active war - famine - tsunamis -- Christians being martyred for their faith Now. So -- are 'we' presently living in 1st part of 7 yrs.? Kind of doubt it -- because there's no mention of the Church starting in chapter 4.

The seals that contain the 'scroll' begin to be opened in chapter 6 -- have any of Those things happened yet.

Why the attack mode.

 

[Bill]

And this is probably the very reason that people tend to leave the book of Revelation alone -- because it's Not clear-cut. And before you brought up the question of it's being in chronological order , I'd never given that a thought.
A lot is going to be happening. Chronological simply means one thing after another Happening.

The Bible we have -- the books are not in chronological order. Genesis Is the 1st book -- it Is the book of beginnings. The rest of them are grouped together / history / prophesy. There are Bible reading plans for reading in chronological order.

There are those who don't even believe there's going to be 1,000 yr reign of Christ. That a 1,000 yrs. is as a day and a day as a thousand years applies to That as well. And that If there is one -- it will be in heaven and not here on earth.

And then , depending on what part of the world a person is living in -- there are countries in active war - famine - tsunamis -- Christians being martyred for their faith Now. So -- are 'we' presently living in 1st part of 7 yrs.? Kind of doubt it -- because there's no mention of the Church starting in chapter 4.

The seals that contain the 'scroll' begin to be opened in chapter 6 -- have any of Those things happened yet.

Why the attack mode.

I think something that should be noted . 5 seals take place , and no one notices them. It isnt till the breaking of the 6th seal that people actually payed attention
Run and hide for the Great Day of the Lord is here

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- ch 6 :14 ,15, 16,17 -- ch 7 when the 144,000 vs 4 are sealed. -- that is during the 7 yr tribulation. The great day of His wrath has come. So are you suggesting that we are actually living in the 1st half of the tribulation Now? I suppose that That Is possible. Scripture Does say that there Will be a rapturing up of the Church. We Are living on the edge / brink Of 'something'.

 

[Samson2020]

I think something that should be noted . 5 seals take place , and no one notices them. It isnt till the breaking of the 6th seal that people actually payed attention
Run and hide for the Great Day of the Lord is here

I think there will be notice of the killing of the saints that occurs at the opening of the 5th at least by the other saints.

 

[Dave M]

Why the attack mode.

my apologies sister if you took that as attack mode, nothing of the sort, thus the smily faces. I thought you were truth seeker and would want to know the error that you had been taught.

I thought you might like thinking about something that you have not thought about before.

Again my apologies if you think that was a attack, when I fall short and make attacks they are not done with smiley faces

I know I to get sensitive when being so openly corrected, but if we put truth first, and feeling later, we will grow faster.

Have a good sunday sister,

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M -- the smiley faces didn't come through the 1st time. Now they Are 'here'. This thread hasn't been available for a couple of days.

This world is definitely living through / midst Of 'something'. Time will tell what it is. President Trump is due to give another up-date later today.

I'm still a pre-tribber -- possibly leaning towards Mid-trib.

 

[Dave M]

So before the rapture happens, which is stated as calling up in the air to meet the Lord, doesn't the Resurrection have to happen first??????????????? now my understanding is that the Resurrection is when we get are glorified bodies, so here is a possible scenario,, Jesus brings with him all the saints in heaven, these are the dead that have to rise first and get there glorified bodies, then before they hit the earth, he calls up all believers in the air so they get the glorified bodies, then they all return to earth together, this way no saints miss the marriage supper, where as if the marriage supper takes place during the tribulation as @Sue D. says then some saints will misss the supper..........just a theory as I seek the truth only the key to this is understanding that before the rapture can happen the dead have rise up first, is that correct??

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

 

[PloughBoy]

How many times was the word “Christians” recorded in “Holy Scripture “. And who used the Word “Christians” and what did the followers of Jesus, called themselves, and how many times did they refer themselves of that title. And what did “Jesus” himself referred to the movement title that followed Him?