If you don't do the things Jesus said, and you call yourself a Christian, are you really a Christian?

[Dovegiven]

AND one should NEVER study the Word intellectually, but in spirit and in truth.

It takes intellect to study any literature.
2 Timothy 2:14-18 (KJV)
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Searching the "scriptures" meant studying the Hebrew bible then, verifying what Paul taught.
Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

It's a normal and very good practice to study scriptures intellectually rather than mindlessly following every voice. It's the main way a Christian has to judge rhema, uttered words through teaching and preaching, even prophecy and interpretations of tongues. Prophecy is first by inspiration of God, in the holy written record, then applied as a measure to evaluate new prophecies. All that then is verified or denied by the Holy Spirit. He has not taken upon Himself the task of studying the word for ourselves. He will bring it back to our remembrance. To remember something it has to already be in mind.

So indeed, study the word in spirit and truth. Jesus listened to God speak, but also quoted the old scriptures heavily, with those defeating Satan in His wilderness temptation. I take it from Jesus a believer is wise to quote scriptures today, as appropriate towards any challenge.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It takes intellect to study any literature.

However we are talking about the Most Holy Written Word Of God!

We study With the Heart and Spirit. His Truth will defy logic and intellect every single time.

When one studies Gods Written Word intellectually only, then they only gain intellectual knowledge and Miss Out on things of the Spirit and fail to even Recognize The Spirit of God when its presented.

They see themselves as wise and yet they are foolish in the sight of God.

That's the Difference
Blessings my Brother

 

[Dovegiven]

However we are talking about the Most Holy Written Word Of God!

We study With the Heart and Spirit. His Truth will defy logic and intellect every single time.

When one studies Gods Written Word intellectually only, then they only gain intellectual knowledge and Miss Out on things of the Spirit and fail to even Recognize The Spirit of God when its presented.

They see themselves as wise and yet they are foolish in the sight of God.

That's the Difference
Blessings my Brother

So you are apparently saying an illiterate person can read the scriptures, interpret the context, without contradiction of other scriptures and contexts? Must I assume you believe the authors of works like concordances and commentaries did so without spiritual understanding, yet some were among the greatest of preachers? Were translators of languages for the printing of Bible versions required to have profound spiritual revelation to know what each Greek or Hebrew word meant? Have you ever studied what translators do? Is a man who doesn't know God, but knows Greek and Aramaic enough to enable spiritual men to determine spiritual context, be assumed to believe with intellectual knowledge as a basis, but is deluded because of his intellect?

Paul laid out qualifications of a bishop (pastor) to include
1 Timothy 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Why not let a new convert do that if he has the Holy Spirit? Would you vote in a neophyte to a high Church position? If "yes", then why defy the scripture?

Way too many Christians are ignorant of "big words", or words with multiple syllables which throw them, having to ask someone to pronounce and define them. They believe and are faithful. That weakness often translates to theological errors when left to themselves, though not necessarily major errors. I have heard highly intelligent Christians try to read from a Bible publicly, but can't explain that in life-living terms, being new to the faith.

It's understandable that someone not familiar with older English words, not at all capable of reading Shakespeare with understanding, would have difficulty with the KJV and all those "...eth" words, or even "begotten" or the rarely spoken "licentious". Those are actually easy to learn, a lot easier than trying to recognize modern gender-neutral errors in some versions that reduce the identity of God, denying "Him" with a neuter designation, making Him an It.

 

[Bendito]

So you are apparently saying an illiterate person can read the scriptures, interpret the context, without contradiction of other scriptures and contexts? Must I assume you believe the authors of works like concordances and commentaries did so without spiritual understanding, yet some were among the greatest of preachers? Were translators of languages for the printing of Bible versions required to have profound spiritual revelation to know what each Greek or Hebrew word meant? Have you ever studied what translators do? Is a man who doesn't know God, but knows Greek and Aramaic enough to enable spiritual men to derive spiritual context, be assumed to believe with intellectual knowledge as a basis?

Paul laid out qualifications of a bishop (pastor) to include
1 Timothy 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Why not let a new convert do that if he has the Holy Spirit? Would you vote in a neophyte to a high Church position? If "yes", then why defy the scripture?

Way too many Christians are ignorant of "big words", or words with multiple syllables which throw them, having to ask someone to pronounce and define them. They believe and are faithful. That weakness often translates to theological errors when left to themselves, though not necessarily major errors. I have heard highly intelligent Christians try to read from a Bible publicly, but can't explain that in life-living terms, being new to the faith.

It's understandable that someone not familiar with older English words, not at all capable of reading Shakespeare with understanding, would have difficulty with the KJV and all those "...eth" words, or even "begotten" or the rarely spoken "licentious". Those are actually easy to learn, a lot easier than trying to recognize modern gender-neutral errors in some versions that reduce the identity of God, denying "Him" with a neuter designation, making Him an It.

Sarcasm is not necessary at all. Of course intellect is involved...Of course a person needs to know how to read, although some people have grown quite mature in the Word when they could not read a word of anything else but the Book...When a person wants to learn all about God He's well capable of teaching them. Don't stop Him...OK?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So you are apparently saying an illiterate person can read the scriptures, interpret the context, without contradiction of other scriptures and contexts?

Two things

1. Yes Sir ones scrooples does not calibrate how much God is able to use them.
.....God can do more with little then any man can with a lot.

2. I was referring to the many who only have head knowledge.
....they study the Bible like any other book and have ...
No Spiritual leading
No Spiritual understanding.
They claim their head knowledge is from God and it is not.

Their Spirits give them away.
God never said check a man's doctrine or intelligence but said Check His Spirit.

Blessings

 

[KingJ]

I have been wondering what exactly makes you a Christian, I would love to hear some of your thoughts!

Laying your life down for God / Jesus makes you a Christian Matt 16:24, Rev 2:10. Nothing else.

When scripture says He will not despise any who repent, it is talking of an ''absolute repentance''. Broken and contrite heart and spirit Psalm 51:17. One at an extreme depth of intent on par with literally laying your life down for God. We desire the lusts of the flesh, true repentance is in 100% contrast to this. Thus truthful repentance is laying your life down for God. God expects nothing less, as it is what He has done for us. Marriage to God entails this level of dedication.

Many here are answering 'how do we know we are a Christian'. The truth to that question is that unless we see someone die as a martyr for Jesus, nobody, except God and the individual in question can know that. God knows who are His John 10:27 and we can know that we are in Christ 2 Cor 13:5.

There is truth to being able to call Jesus 'Lord'. As this is only possible by a revelation from God 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17. But many call Jesus Lord with their mouth but their hearts are far from Him Matt 7:22-23.

 

[KingJ]

If you don't do the things Jesus said, and you call yourself a Christian, are you really a Christian?

Could be. The things Jesus did (outside of the cross) could be interpreted as solely fulfilling the second commandment of loving others. It is possible to fulfill the first only and not the second. IE, Live like a heathen and be mean to others your whole life, but when crunch time comes you lay your life down for God Rev 2:10.

 

[KingJ]

Ever noticed how all the Bibles are not saying the same thing? Ever notice how trying to correct someone by the scripture in your preferred Bible, they can point to something else in that Bible version that opposes what you are saying? Most of the time they jump to another version of that Bible verse in question that you are trying to reprove them by but they can point to another version of the same verse in supporting the false teaching they are under?

This is a strawman. The only truth is that many quote half truths. Scriptures without proper context. The light and weight of all scripture exposes a few cherry picked changes.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Why is it you feel the KJV is the Holy grail of bibles?

It does not decline from the testimonies of the Son by not deleting verses as the NIV had done. Psalm 119:157-158 KJV That is how I know what Jesus meant about what the Father said in John 14:23-24 KJV When scripture is supposed to testify of the Son in John 5:39-40 KJV, and they changed that testimony about Jesus being God like they did in Philippians 2:5-11 NIV , it is no wonder why I have so much trouble proving the deity of Christ to anti-Trinitarians in another forum. The fact that 1 John 5:7 KJV originally belonged in scripture as there are miniscule Greek manuscripts testifying to that effect and extrabiblical evidence of it being cited as such as early as 250 A.D. leaves modern Bibles found wanting.

Then it comes down to source documents where there are 2 of them; one from Alexandria where poetic licensing and Gnosticism has been known to exists. They had changed enough verses and dropped some to satisfy their teaching of denying the deity of Christ, and even though anti-KJVers argue that there are still verses in the NIV for proving the deity of Christ, it goes to show why those source documents are the oldest manuscripts because Gnosticism is what modern tongue speakers are today; secret or hidden knowledge. That can only mean one thing; tongues without interpretation for self edification. It is no wonder why those priests of those monasteries are known for meditating, praying, and fasting rather than studying in the word for why those old manuscripts are not worn out from use. That is why Jesus said those who love Him would keep His words ( John 14:23 KJV ) for why the source documents from Antioch where His disciples studied for a year and were first called Christians ( Acts 11:26 KJV ) had newer documents because they were using them and wearing them out for why you can't find older ones.

Look at cause and effect. Look even at how all the Bibles ARE NOT saying the same thing. And tell me how you can correct any one when they jump to anther Bible version that supports their false teachings or their tongue which is not of Him.

When its compared to the old Hebrew writings there are errors found. Such as the word Wilfully that is left out of the KJV but in the old Hebrew writings it reads continues to "willfully" sin.

You lost me. Are you talking about the Book of Hebrews in the N.T. or are you referring to a verse in the O.T. in Hebrew writing?

The KJV is the oldest version written by MEN that MEN know of. This does not make it flawless.

KJV translators had done a preface admitting as such in the KJV. Even I can see where a couple of verses should have been translated better as per the meaning of the Greek words like in Revelation 3:5 and Luke 17:37 but I got the message whereas some modern Bibles really messed up in switching out vultures with eagles in Luke 17:37 KJV. Many are saying because of that word vultures, that God is going to take out the bad people, but in context of that chapter, that is so wrong.

King James had the scholars and theologians of the day rewrite some transcripts and such into a more "to them" easy to read and understand.

When I compare 1599 Geneva Bible to the KJV 1900 that I am using today, I am not sure how accurate that statement is, but I do have to point out that even if it is true, they did not change the message in the scriptures whereas modern Bibles has, especially with Romans 8:26 where they imply groanings can be heard whereas the KJV has His groanings cannot even be uttered either, thus keeping to the truth in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit cannot utter His own words, but speak what He hears.

Jesus nor the Disciples spoke in old English.

That is just a hypocritical barb from anti-KJVers against KJVOnlyism on the internet to make those that rely on the KJV looking stupid. Since they are trying to propose other Bible versions are better, but guess what?; they are in English too. Did Jesus and His disciples spoke in modern English? No. So the whole point of that is just plain hypocritical in their campaigns against relying only on the KJV. It is really about the Textus Receptus verses Alexandrian documents.

Let me ask you this. What is sin?
Would you agree it is anything you know is wrong but do it anyway?

You mean like when the NIV drop verses testifying to the deity of Jesus Christ but believers still keep on using it any way, rationalizing that there are still some verses in there testifying to His deity?

Or like knowing that scripture cannot go against scripture to know that modern bible is wrong when the truth in John 16:13 opposes Romans 8:26-27 in that same modern Bible?

So scripture says....Love does not demand its way or insist on its own way.
We are commanded to walk in Love.
So would insisting KJV is the only true version Christians should read be the same as pushing, insisting ones belief on others and by doing so violate Love and thus be considered sin?

Is it love to support modern bibles when modern Bibles are lying in some parts to sow doubts in His words, thus causing many believers to go astray, even though they are still saved, but at risk of being left behind when the Bridegroom comes?

Is it love when not all Bibles are saying the same thing that in order to correct any one with the meat of His words to discern good and evil, one has to stick to the KJV or wind up at an impasse like always as seen across the internet?

We need to take a step back from all of this anti-KJV rhetoric and look at what is happening when we use the rule of checking all Bible versions to et to the truth as if using the majority reading ( all from Alexandrian source ) as proof of what that truth is when false teachings still thrive out there by those same modern Bibles. So ask yourself why there are anti-Trinitarians out there when they do the same thing.. hop around the Bible versions so you can't back them in a corner in the KJV?

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Rely on a Bible version for discernment?
No friend I rely on the Spirit of God for Discernment.

The Spirit Discerns of Spiritual things .
Blessings

Then because of John 14:23-24 KJV as a warning conveyed from the Father, rely on Jesus through the Holy Spirit in you to discern which Bible version you should be relying on for the meat of His words to discern good and evil by His words.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Scripture says we only know in part. So this means there are more parts that we do not know.

I do not see any one adding books to the N.T. That must mean we have what we need for following Him. Anything else is specific for the individual or to the church because of sin or an iniquity. It cannot be anything for edification for them because another epistle would be written for all the churches to read as they did that in the N.T. for all the epistles written to the churches.

So what you are saying is you take what understanding you have from the KJV and use it to correct everyone who disagrees with your understanding.

It is on God to correct. Only He can cause the increase by His words as kept in the KJV. I am nothing in that effect of correcting others by the scripture in the KJV.

That's most dangerous because there will be times you are rejecting truth you simply do not yet understand and claiming it is false teaching.

Blessings to you my friend

The truth is nobody likes to believe that the tongue they got which never comes with interpretation has been found in the world's religions and the occult ( Isaiah 8:19 KJV ) before Pentecost for why it is not God's gift of tongues which is a foreign language of men that can be understood or interpreted as it is law of God in all respect; 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 KJV and why His tongues were never to serve as a sign to believers about receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation when saved believers already has Him in them since salvation as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel and that IS the tradition taught of us in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 KJV. Keeping the faith is the good fight and I need His help all the way in doing that in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

It can be daunting to go through many versions, the reason that pursuit ought to include consulting one of many interlinear scripture analyzers that can present to you the original words and meanings. One of my resources I like is Free Interlinear From there prayerfully investigate related scriptures, and very importantly examine the context. What was the overall message, intent, audience? Knowing some ancient culture helps, though mankind has not evolved to become a strange creature. You will find that to get a verse into English you will be forced to add some words between originals to make a verse conversational, unless you converse in Hebrew or Greek already.

I have seen those under false teaching using the same type of reasoning, except for the prayerfully part. They get offended as if them not praying meant that God would not automatically help them for why they are wrong, and yet they keep referring to the intellectual credentials for why they are better qualified to teach us the truth in His words instead of the Anointing; aka the Holy Spirit in us.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

All I can say that believers should be prayerfully discerning in normal praying and not in tongue, if the Lord Jesus Christ wants us to discern Bible versions as per the Father's warning in John 14:23-24 KJV and see if you get an answer that points to relying only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Why not simply depend on the Holy Spirit to teach you....He KNOWS what He means to say.

Sometimes, though, a question has to be given to the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for Him to answer though the Holy Spirit in you for Him to teach you, discerning with Him modern Bibles to see why you should rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good and evil by in these latter days where faith is hard to find. There has been a couple of times when I have gotten answer before I had cause to ask the question, but still, it is prudent to ask Him for help at that throne of grace. James 1:5 KJV & Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Many Christians ask me why, if they have the Holy Spirit, they can't understand the Bible well enough to not need a teacher? My answer is Jesus gave such gifts to men. I appreciate spiritual gifts in believers.

Sometimes He is waiting for us to ask Jesus Christ at that throne of grace a question in normal prayer and not in tongue that shows we are seeking an answer from Him that He helps us to discern and to understand in order to receive.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

This is a strawman. The only truth is that many quote half truths. Scriptures without proper context. The light and weight of all scripture exposes a few cherry picked changes.

Like applying Romans 8:26-27 from modern Bibles that implies that sounds can be heard when the Holy Spirit makes intercessions for us "Himself" when in that same modern Bible in John 16:13, Jesus says He cannot speak in any other way than to speak what He hears whereby the Holy Spirit CANNOT use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people to turn it around for His own use in uttering His own intercessions? How is that not even confusion? There is no cherry picking here when scripture is going against scripture in modern bibles for why the KJV is to be relied upon when even His groanings cannot be uttered; hence no sound at all. That is the truth of it because the Father knows everything before we ask in prayer in Matthew 6:7-8 KJV so why is it necessary for the Spirit to utter anything out loud? Not even for it to be in secret in gibberish nonsense as one school of erroneous thought is so that the devil does not know what the Spirit is praying for out loud, and yet the devil cannot do anything without God's permission as per the Book of Job.

It becomes a strawman when nobody wants to believe that the phenomenon that happened later on in life apart from salvation was not the Holy Spirit coming over them filling them for why that ecstatic tongue is coming with no interpretation because it is not the real God's gift of tongue.

But yeah... they can use "strawman" argument for other reasons too regardless of the scripture shown. Believers should not even use that term "strawman" but just show why it is a strawman argument by the scripture in proving the other for not rightly dividing the word of truth. As you said " The only truth is that many quote half truths. Scriptures without proper context." but you didn't do it to prove it is a strawman by showing proper context so hardly proven a strawman, right?

I know you use scripture, but you did leave that post half done when you did not prove it was a strawman by showing proper context. Just saying so does not make it so when we are required to reprove and correct by the scripture, brother.

 

[Bendito]

I have been wondering what exactly makes you a Christian, I would love to hear some of your thoughts!

So then.....The answer to the OP is 'NO'. A Christian is a disciple of Christ...He/she is an imitator of Christ...If they refuse to do or study the way of Jesus they are NOT Christians but fakes. liars, unreconstructed sinners.

 

[Sue D.]

I've been reading through the comments about the KJV compared with the NIV. There Is another choice for a good Bible to read. It's the NAS. What I've found interesting is that there are KJV onlyists AND NAS onlyists. And there is Also the New KJV version to consider. I grew up with the KJV with the Scoffield notes at the bottom. At times, those notes were taken almost as inspired as the Bible itself. Then I found the old NIV. It was in paragraph form and much more reader-friendly. I could Finally get clear through Leviticus and it made sense. Now I've been in the New KJV and even some ESV.

Some of the posts bring up points that really make no difference to anything.

And then there is the concept that anyone reading anything except KJV is more likely to fall prey to false teachings. People can do That through reading / miss-applying Any Bible teachings.

I'm thinking that Because King James 1 allowed the Bible to be printed / it Used to be referred to as the Authorized Version. So that since it was authorized By King James 1 it Must be THE Bible to read All the time for the Remainder of Time. I still have my husband's Thompson Chain-Reference KJV Bible. It's simply the way people spoke back then. English has changed a lot. And translators are trying to keep up with the changes in Our language while keeping the doctrinal stand Of God's Word.

And there Are those who feel that '"when a person Does read the KJV, they Will have better understanding -- a Fuller understanding of God's Word then they Ever had with any other Bible."

What does all This do for our relationship to God through Jesus Christ.

 

[Bendito]

There are nuggets in the KJV that make me completely against throwing that one out. There are grammatical errors in there that provide a clue to the whereabouts of these nuggets. It makes digging into the Word, a treasure hunt. I love it!
Some bible versions omit all references to the Blood, one needs to avoid these. My first bible when I got saved was an NIV, and I found it oversimplifies the Word to the point where important things get glossed over and easily missed.
Still....The Holy Spirit is capable of using ANY version to teach us His truth. We need to trust HIM far more than our own feeble intellects.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

So then.....The answer to the OP is 'NO'. A Christian is a disciple of Christ...He/she is an imitator of Christ...If they refuse to do or study the way of Jesus they are NOT Christians but fakes. liars, unreconstructed sinners.

The latter part of your verse is not of the truth. Scripture signify them as still brothers, but no longer walking after the traditions taught of us for why we are commanded to withdraw from them to admonish them. Proof is here.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;...…….. 14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Acts 11:26 KJV testify of His disciples bemng called Christians first in Antioch where they had studied for a year.

Salvation is separate from discipleship. Salvation has to be a free gift in order for sinners and even little children to freely come to Him so that by Jesus Christ dwelling in us, we can run that race by looking to Him for help in laying aside every weight & sin in following Him as His disciples so that we may bear fruit and that our joy may be full.

Not every saved believers are taught by His disciples to know about how Jesus Christ is our Good Shepherd Who can help us to follow Him and some of them do not know the consequence for not running that race which is to avoid being a castaway when the Bridegroom comes.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

I've been reading through the comments about the KJV compared with the NIV. There Is another choice for a good Bible to read. It's the NAS. What I've found interesting is that there are KJV onlyists AND NAS onlyists. And there is Also the New KJV version to consider. I grew up with the KJV with the Scoffield notes at the bottom. At times, those notes were taken almost as inspired as the Bible itself. Then I found the old NIV. It was in paragraph form and much more reader-friendly. I could Finally get clear through Leviticus and it made sense. Now I've been in the New KJV and even some ESV.

Some of the posts bring up points that really make no difference to anything.

And then there is the concept that anyone reading anything except KJV is more likely to fall prey to false teachings. People can do That through reading / miss-applying Any Bible teachings.

I have found that I can still correct them within that KJV for misreading His words to prove they are misreading His words until they skip to other version or simply deny the plain face reading of that truth as kept in the KJV. So I understand it is on God to cause the increase, but I also understand by Him that I cannot reprove false teachings in modern bibles that do not maintain the truth in His words thru out that Bible and thus doubt in God's words are sown.

I'm thinking that Because King James 1 allowed the Bible to be printed / it Used to be referred to as the Authorized Version. So that since it was authorized By King James 1 it Must be THE Bible to read All the time for the Remainder of Time. I still have my husband's Thompson Chain-Reference KJV Bible. It's simply the way people spoke back then. English has changed a lot. And translators are trying to keep up with the changes in Our language while keeping the doctrinal stand Of God's Word.

And there Are those who feel that '"when a person Does read the KJV, they Will have better understanding -- a Fuller understanding of God's Word then they Ever had with any other Bible."

What does all This do for our relationship to God through Jesus Christ.

#1 A lot of believers are experiencing a phenomenon of what they believe was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life as a saved believer apart from salvation and this extra phenomenon brings ecstatic tongues which is gibberish nonsense and not a foreign language of men at all. Modern Bibles has kept the truth in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak words of His own and thus cannot utter His own intercessions directly Himself when He can only speak what He hears, BUT modern Bibles do not maintain that truth in Romans 8:26-27 which implies the Holy Spirit is making sounds when He makes these intercessions Himself. One version even makes a grammatical error in verse 27.

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. NIV

The NIV testifies that the Holy Spirit Himself intercedes for us with wordless groans hence sounds can be heard; then in verse 27, the "he" who knows the mind of the Spirit, cannot conclude with the Spirit in that verse, thus a grammatical error.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV

Even though the KJV uses "he" and "him" and even "himself" in John 16:13 KJV , the KJV used "itself" to convey how the Holy Spirit is making these intercessions because He is not doing it directly Himself but by Christ Jesus knowing the mind of the Spirit as Jesus is the One that searches our hearts as per Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV. That is how the Spirit's silent intercessions are given to the Father by way of Jesus Christ the ONLY Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

So a lot of believers are going astray in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, thinking tongues can be for private use for why it is not coming with interpretation as gained by a spirit they assume was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life as a saved believer. When modern Bibles supports the idea that the Holy Spirit can use tongues for uttering His intercessions, then tongue speakers refuse to see John 16:13 no matter what modern Bible they use, as testifying that He cannot do that and so they are not abiding in Him in that regard. Here is the NIV of John 16:13.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

And so tongue speakers are in doubt and wonder " Did God really said that?" and refer to the phenomenon as proof that He must not have really said that and continue on in darkness, praying in tongues when the father wants them to pray and thinking they are being self edified when God wants them to read the scripture for their edification. As it is, they cannot prove one way or another that they are being self edified or the Spirit is praying when there is no interpretation thus, even though they will not admit this, they are in essence in confusion which God is not the author of.

So it is one example in that regard for how it is important in our walk with Him. Although some will only attest to that phenomenon as a second blessing, and do not believe they can experience the "baptism of the Holy Ghost" again, some will try to stop those other phenomenon as saying it is not of Him, but fall nevertheless when it happens. Those who revel in these phenomenon are pretty smug about it when someone trues to stop it but falls anyway.

We are living in the latter days where many are falling away from the faith thus indicative that the Bridegroom is coming soon for why He is judging His House first for He has good reasons to; to restore the wayward that has His seal.