If you don't do the things Jesus said, and you call yourself a Christian, are you really a Christian?

[Bendito]

The latter part of your verse is not of the truth. Scripture signify them as still brothers, but no longer walking after the traditions taught of us for why we are commanded to withdraw from them to admonish them. Proof is here.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;...…….. 14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Acts 11:26 KJV testify of His disciples bemng called Christians first in Antioch where they had studied for a year.

Salvation is separate from discipleship. Salvation has to be a free gift in order for sinners and even little children to freely come to Him so that by Jesus Christ dwelling in us, we can run that race by looking to Him for help in laying aside every weight & sin in following Him as His disciples so that we may bear fruit and that our joy may be full.

Not every saved believers are taught by His disciples to know about how Jesus Christ is our Good Shepherd Who can help us to follow Him and some of them do not know the consequence for not running that race which is to avoid being a castaway when the Bridegroom comes.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Suppose you take the entire thought of the verses....Would it make thing a bit more understandable? Start at 2 thess 2:15 and read from there. Therefore, brothers, stand firm; and hold to the traditions you were taught by us, whether we spoke them or wrote them in a letter. 16 And may our Lord Yeshua the Messiah himself and God our Father, who has loved us and by his grace given us eternal comfort and a good hope, 17 comfort your hearts and strengthen you in every good word and deed.
3 Finally, brothers, pray for us that the Lord’s message may spread rapidly and receive honor, just as it did with you; 2 and that we may be rescued from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has trust. 3 But the Lord is worthy of trust; he will make you firm and guard you from the Evil One. 4 Yes, united with the Lord we are confident about you, that you are doing the things we are telling you to do, and that you will keep on doing them. 5 May the Lord direct your hearts into God’s love and the perseverance which the Messiah gives. 6 Now, in the name of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah we command you, brothers, to stay away from any brother who is leading a life of idleness, a life not in keeping with the tradition you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you must imitate us, that we were not idle when we were among you.

You seem to have a really bad habit of only taking the verses out of context and so prove your mistakes...Verses that allow you to do things your own way, instead of God's way. You may want to change that.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Suppose you take the entire thought of the verses....Would it make thing a bit more understandable? Start at 2 thess 2:15 and read from there. Therefore, brothers, stand firm; and hold to the traditions you were taught by us, whether we spoke them or wrote them in a letter. 16 And may our Lord Yeshua the Messiah himself and God our Father, who has loved us and by his grace given us eternal comfort and a good hope, 17 comfort your hearts and strengthen you in every good word and deed.
3 Finally, brothers, pray for us that the Lord’s message may spread rapidly and receive honor, just as it did with you; 2 and that we may be rescued from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has trust. 3 But the Lord is worthy of trust; he will make you firm and guard you from the Evil One. 4 Yes, united with the Lord we are confident about you, that you are doing the things we are telling you to do, and that you will keep on doing them. 5 May the Lord direct your hearts into God’s love and the perseverance which the Messiah gives. 6 Now, in the name of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah we command you, brothers, to stay away from any brother who is leading a life of idleness, a life not in keeping with the tradition you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you must imitate us, that we were not idle when we were among you.

You seem to have a really bad habit of only taking the verses out of context and so prove your mistakes...Verses that allow you to do things your own way, instead of God's way. You may want to change that.

2 Thessalonians is addressing 2 events whereby the Lord will have to deal with the falling way event first which is why HE is judging His House first as the Bridegroom before He comes back as the King of kings to deal with that son of perdition.

Paul goes back and forth between those 2 events but on the first event of the falling away from the faith, he cites that the iniquity was already at work in his day that will cause the falling away from the faith in droves in the latter days.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Think new age mentality where if believers are open to receiving spirits after a sign, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, then God will permit it by sending that strong delusion for believing that lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Make no mistake, it is a damnation to be forever a vessel unto dishonor in His House unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes, because once that door is shut to the Marriage Supper, no saint can be a vessel unto honor in His House for why the voice of the bride and bridegroom will no longer be heard in Babylon any more as per Revelation 18:23-24 KJV

We can know that Paul is referring to the apostasy today of that other calling for believers to seek a baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues as well as those other apostate movement of the spirit where believers fall backwards in confusion when he reminds them of the actual traditions taught of us to prevent from falling away from that faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Knowing that the scriptures did not come originally divided with numbered chapters and numbered verses is why I can read 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 KJV as addressing those that have fallen away from the faith not after that tradition taught of us are as they are disorderly in worship falling backwards in confusion and other crazy stuff, as Paul is commanding us to withdraw from them but not to treat them as the enemy but to admonish them as brothers still in the hope they will repent.

Now you read those other verses in another version addressing idleness and so for what reason are you ascribing idleness towards me for? Think about that before you set a standard that you can be judged by because if you consider idleness by being in Christian forums on the internet all day or for most of the day or even for part of the day, then what about you? I acknowledge that Paul was talking about idleness, but that was not the reason he was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 KJV because it was about the falling away from the faith mentioned in the previous chapter.

 

[Bendito]

2 Thessalonians is addressing 2 events whereby the Lord will have to deal with the falling way event first which is why HE is judging His House first as the Bridegroom before He comes back as the King of kings to deal with that son of perdition.

Paul goes back and forth between those 2 events but on the first event of the falling away from the faith, he cites that the iniquity was already at work in his day that will cause the falling away from the faith in droves in the latter days.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Think new age mentality where if believers are open to receiving spirits after a sign, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, then God will permit it by sending that strong delusion for believing that lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Make no mistake, it is a damnation to be forever a vessel unto dishonor in His House unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes, because once that door is shut to the Marriage Supper, no saint can be a vessel unto honor in His House for why the voice of the bride and bridegroom will no longer be heard in Babylon any more as per Revelation 18:23-24 KJV

We can know that Paul is referring to the apostasy today of that other calling for believers to seek a baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues as well as those other apostate movement of the spirit where believers fall backwards in confusion when he reminds them of the actual traditions taught of us to prevent from falling away from that faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Knowing that the scriptures did not come originally divided with numbered chapters and numbered verses is why I can read 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 KJV as addressing those that have fallen away from the faith not after that tradition taught of us are as they are disorderly in worship falling backwards in confusion and other crazy stuff, as Paul is commanding us to withdraw from them but not to treat them as the enemy but to admonish them as brothers still in the hope they will repent.

Now you read those other verses in another version addressing idleness and so for what reason are you ascribing idleness towards me for? Think about that before you set a standard that you can be judged by because if you consider idleness by being in Christian forums on the internet all day or for most of the day or even for part of the day, then what about you? I acknowledge that Paul was talking about idleness, but that was not the reason he was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 KJV because it was about the falling away from the faith mentioned in the previous chapter.

If you would allow the Holy Spirit to teach you, rather than 'interpreting' the Word, you would see quite clearly that vs 15-17 of 2 thess 2 links in with vs 1-7 of 2 thess 3. Let the Holy Spirit teach you. Listen to Him.

 

[Dovegiven]

This is a strawman. The only truth is that many quote half truths. Scriptures without proper context. The light and weight of all scripture exposes a few cherry picked changes.

True. I was typing up that too.. New denominations formed around cherry picked verses strung together totally out of context. On another chat site a member got in the habit of including verses from Apocrypha in an online Catholic Bible app. Such confusion! Another started a thread on the "Best" English Bible, the Thomas Jefferson Bible. It is a heavily edited version covering the ethics teachings of Jesus (like a more modern Buddha), leaving out the works and miracles. Paul was tamed by lots of deletions. His death was left with just His death, no resurrection. Now that one is of pure intellectualism, no spirit, no life. An intellectual could read that, say he has read the Bible, and totally miss God, yet come away with suitable morality. Modern readers do that.

The churches we attended when moving around the nation all had about the same approach to Bible study. We had study guides to go by. The authors did the Bible study for readers. Hardly ever would a Bible be opened except for obedience to at least open it. We tended not to impose the task since most took too much time searching for the books. The published guides covered morality, Bible history, characters, or subjects like how to make friends in college and remain a Christian, or what about taking care of a sick parent. It would take many lifetimes to be a little exposed to actual scriptures. Verses were always listed at the end with a suggestion we study those later at home. I remember well listening, at least coming around to being born again and water baptized (again) in a Baptist church, but when I picked up a Bible to read those scriptures, I received little to nothing from them. I was trained to think "lesson". An example was a reference to minor prophets concerning the captivity of sIrael used to deal with the subject of how to escape vices like smoking and gambling. I took it to our Pastor, who then decided to stop using the guides, which were published by the SBC in Springfield MO. He then put me teaching custom lessons more Bible oriented, even though now I know I was not even born again, didn't know Jesus. I learned volumes by preparing to teach. Eventually it "took".

I say all that to make one point, to aim toward satisfying the OP question. Our lives preach the gospel of Jesus or some other life. We must put our actions matching Jesus' intent. I understand where Baptists come from, so won't any longer impose ideas on them they have been trained to resist. I think it's wise to deal with people equal to or lower than a perceived level of knowledge of a subject, then bring them up a notch. I look for a point of agreement, then add what I can, like when Jesus began a thought with "you have heard". I also won't approach any Jew from an antisemitic position of insult against them for their religion or culture. Nor do I condemn a Muslim outright, but will look for something in common. The "Muslims" I've contacted were mostly born Americans and having a Church background, but turned sour for various reasons. I am on the list for immigrant Muslims to avoid, having been really hard on them.

When I identify an antisemite I stop communicating with them. I will leave them in God's hands. If you hate Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists, or any other religious representative, inflaming them over "false religion" issues, I will not assemeble with that person. Jesus would agree. What inflamed Jesus the most were hypocrites. Use wisdom to preach the gospel of Christ.

 

[Dovegiven]

However we are talking about the Most Holy Written Word Of God!

We study With the Heart and Spirit. His Truth will defy logic and intellect every single time.

When one studies Gods Written Word intellectually only, then they only gain intellectual knowledge and Miss Out on things of the Spirit and fail to even Recognize The Spirit of God when its presented.

They see themselves as wise and yet they are foolish in the sight of God.

That's the Difference
Blessings my Brother

So you say the Word is immune to the God-given faculty of logic? Reason too? The gospel remains in the illogical? If that was true no intellectual could be saved until rendered nearly brain dead. The ability of man to use logic in thinking is vital to separate truth from error long enough to change from error to truth. Otherwise, the man is left to believe like the grass, leaning one way today, another way the next.

Now how can you certify that anyone approaching the Word of God intellectually, like Nicodemus did, remains self-wise and unreachable? I read of many famous intellectuals who became Christians, leaving me to assume far many more unknown intellectuals did that down through the ages. Is God only calling intellectually challenged folks to Jesus?

 

[Dovegiven]

There are nuggets in the KJV that make me completely against throwing that one out. There are grammatical errors in there that provide a clue to the whereabouts of these nuggets. It makes digging into the Word, a treasure hunt. I love it!
Some bible versions omit all references to the Blood, one needs to avoid these. My first bible when I got saved was an NIV, and I found it oversimplifies the Word to the point where important things get glossed over and easily missed.
Still....The Holy Spirit is capable of using ANY version to teach us His truth. We need to trust HIM far more than our own feeble intellects.

I doubt God would honor any false teaching in just any Bible version, using a false statement to present truth. Would God lie to teach a truth?

 

[Bendito]

I doubt God would honor any false teaching in just any Bible version, using a false statement to present truth. Would God lie to teach a truth?

What are you babbling about Dove? That is not what I said. What false teaching are you talking about?

 

[Dovegiven]

I have found that I can still correct them within that KJV for misreading His words to prove they are misreading His words until they skip to other version or simply deny the plain face reading of that truth as kept in the KJV. So I understand it is on God to cause the increase, but I also understand by Him that I cannot reprove false teachings in modern bibles that do not maintain the truth in His words thru out that Bible and thus doubt in God's words are sown.



#1 A lot of believers are experiencing a phenomenon of what they believe was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life as a saved believer apart from salvation and this extra phenomenon brings ecstatic tongues which is gibberish nonsense and not a foreign language of men at all. Modern Bibles has kept the truth in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak words of His own and thus cannot utter His own intercessions directly Himself when He can only speak what He hears, BUT modern Bibles do not maintain that truth in Romans 8:26-27 which implies the Holy Spirit is making sounds when He makes these intercessions Himself. One version even makes a grammatical error in verse 27.

Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. NIV

The NIV testifies that the Holy Spirit Himself intercedes for us with wordless groans hence sounds can be heard; then in verse 27, the "he" who knows the mind of the Spirit, cannot conclude with the Spirit in that verse, thus a grammatical error.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV

Even though the KJV uses "he" and "him" and even "himself" in John 16:13 KJV , the KJV used "itself" to convey how the Holy Spirit is making these intercessions because He is not doing it directly Himself but by Christ Jesus knowing the mind of the Spirit as Jesus is the One that searches our hearts as per Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV. That is how the Spirit's silent intercessions are given to the Father by way of Jesus Christ the ONLY Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

So a lot of believers are going astray in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, thinking tongues can be for private use for why it is not coming with interpretation as gained by a spirit they assume was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life as a saved believer. When modern Bibles supports the idea that the Holy Spirit can use tongues for uttering His intercessions, then tongue speakers refuse to see John 16:13 no matter what modern Bible they use, as testifying that He cannot do that and so they are not abiding in Him in that regard. Here is the NIV of John 16:13.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

And so tongue speakers are in doubt and wonder " Did God really said that?" and refer to the phenomenon as proof that He must not have really said that and continue on in darkness, praying in tongues when the father wants them to pray and thinking they are being self edified when God wants them to read the scripture for their edification. As it is, they cannot prove one way or another that they are being self edified or the Spirit is praying when there is no interpretation thus, even though they will not admit this, they are in essence in confusion which God is not the author of.

So it is one example in that regard for how it is important in our walk with Him. Although some will only attest to that phenomenon as a second blessing, and do not believe they can experience the "baptism of the Holy Ghost" again, some will try to stop those other phenomenon as saying it is not of Him, but fall nevertheless when it happens. Those who revel in these phenomenon are pretty smug about it when someone trues to stop it but falls anyway.

We are living in the latter days where many are falling away from the faith thus indicative that the Bridegroom is coming soon for why He is judging His House first for He has good reasons to; to restore the wayward that has His seal.

I detect that a viable source of resistance to your ideas is a misunderstanding of unknown tongues. God just can't relieve you when you are so dogmatic about that subject. I will not enter into private daily prayer as though I have come straight from the Throne with all the perfect mind of God to pray to Him. Many things I should pray about are not with solutions God would agree with. That's why I pray in unknown tongues privately at home and on the road, which edifies (builds up) my inner man to be in agreement with the Holy Spirit who always prays best. Your KJV backs that up. I think you ought to believe what the KJV says about that, or abandon the KJV for some anti-tongues version (anti Pentecostal). It won't change your eternal destiny, but could rob you of power.

Secondly, where does Jesus say He is the Bridegroom? What apostle declared Jesus to be our Husband, in the sense of man and wife? The KJV makes it clear Jesus simply used the Jewish marriage scenario as a basis of a parable about the Kingdom of Heaven. If you accept it literally as a metaphoric parable, then you must also accept every other metaphor of a parable as equal to that. You would have to accept the unjust servant who shook down other borrowers, conspiring to reduce their debts. Do you tell people, when witnessing, you are a bride? If you are a male you might get some resistance based on gender alone. Apparently the time is close when men will applaud that idea. There are elements of the Jewish marriage culture that do a good job of explaining the Christian devotion to Christ. The KJV makes it clear the Bride is the celestial city called New Jerusalem, with large physical dimensions and descriptions, which will be inhabited by the saints of God, including some gentiles before any Jew existed, who are justified by God.

 

[Dovegiven]

What are you babbling about Dove? That is not what I said. What false teaching are you talking about?

Please read my context! I always use one member's post as a platform to preach to the world.

 

[Bendito]

Please read my context! I always use one member's post as a platform to preach to the world.

I've noticed that. Are you talking about my statement that the Holy Spirit can use any version? So you're saying He can't?

 

[Dovegiven]

What are you babbling about Dove? That is not what I said. What false teaching are you talking about?

I worked all day today, and am just trying to catch up to the posts. I am not repenting for what I've already posted until the Lord sends me unrest. My wife found this thread this morning while I was working, so I had all day to meditate this. What would you have me change? Please make sure Jesus would approve.

 

[Dovegiven]

I've noticed that. Are you talking about my statement that the Holy Spirit can use any version? So you're saying He can't?

Holy God doesn't have to resort to unholy Bible versions or teachings on CD's. He maybe "could" but won't for obvious reasons in my estimation. I can't find a single false teaching reported in the Bible that was endorsed by God. That includes Job. I am left with the idea you think a Satanic Bible verse might lead someone to Christ. I don't believe God would have to use something like that to reach out. How about the Koran? It contains some good stuff. Will God have to resort to it to reach some Muslim? If He did, why should any Christian witness to a Muslim? Because they might have missed a better saying?

 

[Bendito]

I worked all day today, and am just trying to catch up to the posts. I am not repenting for what I've already posted until the Lord sends me unrest. My wife found this thread this morning while I was working, so I had all day to meditate this. What would you have me change? Please make sure Jesus would approve.

I worked all day too. I worked from about six this morning till about a half hour ago and I've got hours to go today. You want me to critique your posts? I'm not an editor, at least not for free, and I'm not the Holy Spirit to set you on the right path when you mistake. What do you want from a man?

 

[Bendito]

Holy God doesn't have to resort to unholy versions. He maybe "could" but won't for obvious reasons in my estimation. I can't find a single false teaching reported in the Bible that was endorsed by God. That includes Job.

Well, Sunshine, if that's all you've got that's what He'll use. How many people have NO bibles? God still speaks to them in ways you might condemn. Why? He loves them and wants them to come home too. Religion really has no place in the life of a Christian
BTW What version did you say Job used?

 

[Dovegiven]

What are you babbling about Dove? That is not what I said. What false teaching are you talking about?

Repeating what I wrote "I doubt God would honor any false teaching in just any Bible version, using a false statement to present truth. Would God lie to teach a truth?". I'll stand with that.

 

[Dovegiven]

I worked all day too. I worked from about six this morning till about a half hour ago and I've got hours to go today. You want me to critique your posts? I'm not an editor, at least not for free, and I'm not the Holy Spirit to set you on the right path when you mistake. What do you want from a man?

TRUTH, no matter how tired you are.

 

[Dovegiven]

Suppose you take the entire thought of the verses....Would it make thing a bit more understandable? Start at 2 thess 2:15 and read from there. Therefore, brothers, stand firm; and hold to the traditions you were taught by us, whether we spoke them or wrote them in a letter. 16 And may our Lord Yeshua the Messiah himself and God our Father, who has loved us and by his grace given us eternal comfort and a good hope, 17 comfort your hearts and strengthen you in every good word and deed.
3 Finally, brothers, pray for us that the Lord’s message may spread rapidly and receive honor, just as it did with you; 2 and that we may be rescued from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has trust. 3 But the Lord is worthy of trust; he will make you firm and guard you from the Evil One. 4 Yes, united with the Lord we are confident about you, that you are doing the things we are telling you to do, and that you will keep on doing them. 5 May the Lord direct your hearts into God’s love and the perseverance which the Messiah gives. 6 Now, in the name of the Lord Yeshua the Messiah we command you, brothers, to stay away from any brother who is leading a life of idleness, a life not in keeping with the tradition you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you must imitate us, that we were not idle when we were among you.

You seem to have a really bad habit of only taking the verses out of context and so prove your mistakes...Verses that allow you to do things your own way, instead of God's way. You may want to change that.

I will add that many Christians today will not recognize the name "Yeshua" instead of "Jesus". That is still very foreign to many Americans who might figure out it's something to do with Jews. Is that an imposition of your own way? I am not criticizing negatively, but just pointing out a likely communication problem "out there". You and I understand, but not many are up to that.

 

[Bendito]

TRUTH, no matter how tired you are.

So, am I to understand that you are calling me a liar over something? You were the one whining about working all day.

 

[Bendito]

I will add that many Christians today will not recognize the name "Yeshua" instead of "Jesus". That is still very foreign to many Americans who might figure out it's something to do with Jews. Is that an imposition of your own way? I am not criticizing negatively, but just pointing out a likely communication problem "out there". You and I understand, but not many are up to that.

What's your point? You do have one?

 

[Dovegiven]

Well, Sunshine, if that's all you've got that's what He'll use. How many people have NO bibles? God still speaks to them in ways you might condemn. Why? He loves them and wants them to come home too. Religion really has no place in the life of a Christian
BTW What version did you say Job used?

There are modern reports of tribes waiting for someone (a missionary) to arrive to explain the mystery, to shed light on what little they had. Why need missionaries if God or an angel goes ahead and evangelizes them? Job had maybe the covenant of Noah to go by, whatever was passed down by whatever method of communication, by rhema or logos.
Many a Jew graduated from religion to the gospel of Christ a lot easier than a dumb barbarian gentile. The original Church was composed of thousands of believing Jews for Church age 1-7.