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Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?

To say the scriptures stated, are or could be outdated, is as good as saying scripture is outdated, even worse it is saying in effect... we know better than God!

The trouble with the world today is women do not want to accept man being head of the marriage and the family, it started with sayings like, I will not say I will obey him.

But if they understood scripture they would not say that, because the husbands loving duties are covered also.

The world has changed so much, it reminds me of something I read recently...
From Adam's rib to womens lib! It seems to sum the attitude up well I think.

The marriage of a man and a woman started with Adam and Eve.

Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding.

Jesus compares His Love for His Church, He the groom, the church His Bride, what a wedding it will be when we join him for all eternity.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it

The world does not understand scripture, it is folley to those who are perishing.
 
To say the scriptures stated, are or could be outdated, is as good as saying scripture is outdated, even worse it is saying in effect... we know better than God!

Exactly, now we are back to being to pick and choose what we like and don't like.
Those verses about homosexuality, they don't apply anymore.
Those verses about adultery, that was for another time.
Those verses about murder, that was first century.
If I don't like a particular passage, I can just say it's outdated, then I don't have to worry about it anymore.

Now man's laws, man's culture, and man's society are what is driving our moral values instead of God and the Bible... because well... they are outdated.
Or maybe we think God is a "cool God" he changes with the times to keep up with us cool cats.

Mal 3:6; "For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Heb 13:8; Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Jas 1:17; Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

The thing is... God doesn't change. He doesn't follow us. We should be following Him. (which one of us is God?)
He doesn't change His values to accept what we accept as right.
 
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
While we are picking and choosing lets not pick the above passage
 
Exactly, now we are back to being to pick and choose what we like and don't like.
Those verses about homosexuality, they don't apply anymore.
Those verses about adultery, that was for another time.
Those verses about murder, that was first century.
If I don't like a particular passage, I can just say it's outdated, then I don't have to worry about it anymore.

Now man's laws, man's culture, and man's society are what is driving our moral values instead of God and the Bible... because well... they are outdated.
Or maybe we think God is a "cool God" he changes with the times to keep up with us cool cats.

Mal 3:6; "For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Heb 13:8; Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Jas 1:17; Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

The thing is... God doesn't change. He doesn't follow us. We should be following Him. (which one of us is God?)
He doesn't change His values to accept what we accept as right.


Exactly brother

Scripture is God breathed, through the prophets, through Jesus, through the Apostles, by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

God is, the same yesterday, today, forever.

Not one dot or tittle is to be changed, added or removed.

I think this subject is covered in the last few posts. In fact it would be fair to say, all scripture is covered in that everything written is of God

Ephesians 5:22-33 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

The wife is to submit to the husband in love,
The husband is to love his wife, as his own body, respecting one another in love.
In marriage they are 'One Body'

Marriage is sacred, created by God, marriage is so special Jesus compared His love for us, saved souls, His future Bride. What a wonderful example.

As for scripture it is what it says it is, every word, not to be cherry picked or changed but accepted wholey by all. Holy by all.
 
DTS showing its self to once again putting the acts of mankind over the Blood of Christ .


I probably agree -- but what is DTS -- and, yes, the blood of Christ is sufficient for our salvation.

Wearing a head covering is fine if that's what a person chooses to do.
 
The one question that has never been answered IS when a woman is teaching other women and / or / young children -- is That considered prophesying ? If So -- Why.
 
I think the Bible, “specifies” which woman is to teach and what she is suppose to teach.
Example: I history teacher is hired to teach History not English, if that school specifies what she is to teach.

(Titus 2:3-5).

3The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed

I have only heard just a few women who has taught these mandates. And others by not following these instructions and made up their own rules for the acts of Godliness for what they teach and the teaching women who makes their presentations, the word of GOD is “blasphemed”!
 
@PloughBoy -- Don't know what churches you've gone to -- but apparently Not the same ones I have. There are plenty of Godly women in churches these days who have ministry with other women. And they are wonderful teachers for children. Jr high and above need a man as a teacher.

That which messes up churches are the men who allow women to be preachers behind the pulpit. And those who Encourage women to go to Bible Colleges/ seminaries to Become preachers. That is Not Biblical.
 
Besides -- it's Senior Pastor who I was wanting a response from -- some of his earlier comments specifically.
 
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
While we are picking and choosing lets not pick the above passage
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Then that would render all other scripture which places man as the head null and void. You are taking that verse out of context. Poor exegesis.
 
To say the scriptures stated, are or could be outdated, is as good as saying scripture is outdated, even worse it is saying in effect... we know better than God!

The trouble with the world today is women do not want to accept man being head of the marriage and the family, it started with sayings like, I will not say I will obey him.

But if they understood scripture they would not say that, because the husbands loving duties are covered also.

The world has changed so much, it reminds me of something I read recently...
From Adam's rib to womens lib! It seems to sum the attitude up well I think.

The marriage of a man and a woman started with Adam and Eve.

Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding.

Jesus compares His Love for His Church, He the groom, the church His Bride, what a wedding it will be when we join him for all eternity.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it

The world does not understand scripture, it is folley to those who are perishing.
So so TRUE.
2 Timothy 3:8 (KJV)
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
 
The one question that has never been answered IS when a woman is teaching other women and / or / young children -- is That considered prophesying ? If So -- Why.


Greetings Sue

Teaching is not prophesying, teaching is telling, explaining, describing something unknown to the hearer. Principles taught by a person in authority, a parent or even a qualified person.

Jesus was a teacher, Rabboni

Matthew 5:1-2 (NKJV)

And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him.
Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:


Matthew 4:23 (NKJV)
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.

John 20:16 (NKJV)
Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).

John 7:16-17 (NKJV)
Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
If anyone wants to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.


But Jesus also prophesied.

Matthew 24:3-51 (NKJV)

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.

5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it.
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors!
34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.
43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


In His Love

Shalom
 
Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?

Is this portion of scripture irrelevant to us today? Was it simply applicable due to the culture for the time?

Ephesians 5:22-33 (KJV)
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
All scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I think this exhortation still holds true except that it needs to be clear and acceptable between both parties.
 
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
While we are picking and choosing lets not pick the above passage




Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Then that would render all other scripture which places man as the head null and void. You are taking that verse out of context. Poor exegesis.

Scripture does not contradict itself, if there appears at first to be a contradiction, search the scriptures, The Truth is always in The Word.

It is also important, not to take a small number of verses but consider the context of the full chapter or chapters the subject relates to, as well as considering
the time and place and the Jewish/Christian connection. Paul was constantly explaining

Allow me to share this introduction to Galations chapter 3 taken from the Tyndale commentary, there is some interesting reading here. I have included an introduction from the commentary and the commentary on the verses you have listed. Note the initial argument Paul was making ran through Chapters 1 & 2, but he felt he had not covered everything so continued for a further 2 chapter.


The Argument from Theology Galations 3:1 - 5:1

Paul could well have closed his letter at the end of chapter 2. The storm has passed into a calm and his point has already been made. But, as he thinks of what has happened in Galatia, his feelings overwhelm him just as they did in Gal 1:6, and he returns to the charge for the second time. So, instead of the letter ending at Gal 2:21, chapter 3, introduces a whole new section of his argument, that from theology or, more exactly, from Scripture. This may simply be because it was natural to a Jew, particularly one with Paul’s rabbinic training, to turn to the Scriptures for proof in an argument. But it may also be because Paul knows that his Judaizing opponents will already have made great play of the Scriptures to prove their case. Whatever the reason, it should not surprise us if Paul’s use of the Old Testament Scriptures is, at times, more ‘rabbinic’ than we would find natural. The nature of his opponents’ training make this inevitable: he is meeting them on their ground, and using language which they can understand and must admit. But such a ‘rabbinic approach’ extends only to the manner of citing and treating the Scriptures, not to the Scriptures themselves. The great theological principles to which Paul appeals are as valid today as in first-century Galatia, although we might express them in different terminology. Much study has recently been devoted to Paul’s own rabbinic background, and its possible influence on his exegesis, if not on his theology. Those who have dealt with this Jewish background (Davies, Daube, Schoeps and Munck) are particularly helpful here, although we must beware of over-emphasizing this aspect of Pauline thought: whatever his background, he is not a first-century rabbi, but a first-century Christian.

Hitherto, Paul has argued from his own spiritual experience, and the facts of Christian history. Now he will show that such experience is not subjective and illusory, but grounded upon the eternal purposes of God as revealed in his Word. But before he does that, in a short opening section, he will appeal briefly to the spiritual experience of the very Galatians to whom he writes and link it to the similar experience of Abraham. This has a twofold object. First, Paul wishes to show the Galatians that their present attitude is a contradiction not only of his spiritual history, but also of their own. Paul’s spiritual pilgrimage is not therefore seen as reserved for great saints; it is and should be normative for every Christian, however humble. Secondly, he wants to show them that this common pilgrimage, both his and theirs, had been also that of Abraham; otherwise, to quote to the Galatians the example of Abraham would be utterly irrelevant. As it is, we find with a shock that Abraham’s problems are our problems, even though the outward circumstances are so dissimilar. From that, Paul moves to the point where we see that Abraham’s solution to the problem can also be our solution, since Abraham’s God is still our God.

Paul has yet another crowning argument which he will use later. Abraham himself is, after all, a Gentile, as the Galatians are. He is no Jew, though he may have become the ancestor of the Jews. He knew nothing of the law of Moses (although later rabbis might claim that he kept it), nothing of the temple, nothing of later food laws, nothing even of circumcision in his early days, for he had been accepted by God long before he was circumcised, Rom 4:11 - decades earlier, in fact. He was not ancestor of the Jews alone: all the Gentile desert peoples of the Negev, the ‘Southland’, also traced their ancestry to him. Moreover, in God’s gracious promise to Abraham, Gentiles found special mention. Judaizers might quote Moses to prove their point; Paul will quote Abraham to prove his. Let Judaizers quote law; Paul will quote promise. If they appeal to centuries of tradition and the proud history of the law and covenant of Moses, he will appeal to the tradition of the even grander ‘covenant with Abraham’, older by centuries still.

While Paul will pursue these arguments at greater length in Romans, they are present in outline and essence in Galatians. Indeed, one of the most striking proofs that Paul was correct when he said in earlier chapters that his gospel was independent of outside influence (especially from Jerusalem) is not only that his gospel is so distinctive in its Old Testament setting, but also that this aspect of his gospel shows little sign of ‘development’ over the years. No doubt this was the way in which Paul had come to terms with the gospel and with its Old Testament context during those early days in Arabia: the broad pattern was set then and it would not change.

Tyndale Commentaries - Galatians.

It is important, in most cases, to read the full chapter or all chapters relating to a specific message, if we don't we can easy mis interpret the text and read out of context.


Verse 26. It is uncertain whether we should translate this with RSV and NIV as sons of God, through faith (in Christ Jesus), or ‘faith-children of God in the corporate whole that is the Body of Christ’. NEB favours the latter, with ‘sons of God in union with Christ Jesus’. The grammar would favour the first, but the subsequent train of thought would favour the second.

Strictly, this choice is more a matter of theological interpretation than linguistics; it hinges on the meaning of the great Pauline phrase en Christō, in Christ; the phrase is discussed in BAGD, with relevant literature quoted there. Briefly, this is the Pauline (and Johannine) expression to denote the closeness of the relation of the individual to Christ. The phrase implies a closeness of communion which is neither absorption nor complete identification, while human personality may be changed by the new relationship, it is not obliterated. Thereafter, the collective whole of all Christians can be called ‘the body of Christ’, not just the individual who is in Christ, part of his body. John describes this continual and total dependence on Christ as ‘remaining’ in Christ (see John 15:4).

Paul now develops this thought of our sonship of God, through faith in Christ.

‘For all those of you who have been baptized into Jesus Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. In him, there is no such distinction as Jew and non-Jew, slave and freeman, male and female. You are all an entity in Christ Jesus. But if you are joined to Christ (lit. “if you are Christ’s”), then you are collectively the “posterity of Abraham” already mentioned; you are the beneficiaries of the promise in the will.’

Verse 27. It is presumably the relationship summed up in the words ‘in Christ’ (see note on verse 26) to which Paul here refers in the phrase baptized into Christ. Baptism, with its picture of death and new life symbolized by the passing of the ‘waters of judgment’ over the sinner, visibly and outwardly seals the ending of an old relationship and the beginning of a new. Ideally, baptism should coincide with, and correspond to, the dawn of new life in the heart of the believer. But even in the pages of the New Testament, we find the Spirit coming sometimes before baptism, sometimes during baptism, sometimes after baptism, and sometimes not coming at all (see the accounts of the baptized Ananias and Simon Magus, Acts 5:1-11;8:9-24). Not only does baptism fitly express visibly the establishment of a new personal relationship with Christ; it is also the outward means by which we enter that collective whole which is the church, the body of Christ. So closely does Paul associate the outward sign with the inward grace that there are times when he uses expressions in connection with the outward symbol which are, theologically speaking, more properly applied to the spiritual reality. But this is a common phenomenon in the Bible and does not necessarily mean that he identified the two. Here Paul juxtaposes two verbs, the one strictly descriptive of a physical experience, the other of a spiritual experience, without any consciousness of incongruity. We who were baptized have put on Christ, like a garment. The word enedysasthe, put on, is discussed in BAGD. The metaphor probably comes from the Old Testament where, for instance, the Spirit ‘clothes himself’ with Gideon, and so ‘puts on’ Gideon, as it were (Judg. 6:34). The word has a rich metaphorical use both in and outside the New Testament, especially in connection with moral qualities. Bold though this figure is, it can be paralleled almost exactly in pagan literature in the sense of ‘assume the role of’, although the Christian usage means far more than this. The use of ‘stripping’ and ‘putting on’ may derive, in Christian circles, from the undressing before baptism, and the subsequent dressing in clean white clothing. But the metaphor is peculiarly appropriate as describing a situation where certain habits and qualities have to be laid aside for ever, and a new set assumed. It is interesting that this is the only reference to baptism in the whole letter, and that even here it is introduced almost casually.

Verse 28. In the New Testament eni stands for enesti, there is; but it seems always to be used with the negative. In the collective whole which is ‘the body of Christ’, there is no longer any place for the traditional distinctions that divide mankind—cultural, linguistic, religious (for Greek, opposed to Jew, conveys all of these) or even sexual. Some have seen here another thrust at the Judaizers. The Jewish male gave regular thanks to God in the liturgy that he was not born a Gentile or a woman. Paul would then be pointing out that, in Christ, all the old ‘dividing walls’ that were accepted and even extolled in Judaism had been broken down (Eph 2:14). But it may simply be that these were types of human division familiar to his hearers, and that he uses them to symbolize all such human divisions.

Paul bases his strong position (the total transcending of such distinctions) on the grounds that all are now heis, one (or ‘an entity’), in Christ Jesus. (The NEB actually translates as ‘one person’, thus making the meaning doubly clear.) Here again is the concept of the collective whole of the Christian church. It is a short step from this to the use of the ‘body concept’ which sees the totality of believers as the body of Christ.

Verse 29. That the use of the heis (‘one person’) in verse 28 rather than the neuter hen (‘one thing’) is no accident is shown by this verse. Grammatically, it says if you are Christ’s, but the meaning is stronger than this. We might almost paraphrase ‘if you are part of Christ’s body’. Paul is going to apply to the collective whole of the Christian church that which he has previously predicated of Christ in person, that is, the inheritance of the Abrahamic promise. Those who in this way are Christ’s are (collectively) the ‘offspring’ (singular again) mentioned in the famous passage in Genesis, and so the ‘heirs’ (plural, for we severally enjoy the benefits) in fulfilment of God’s promise. This in itself will show that Paul’s insistence on the use of the singular in 3:16 is more an exegetic device than anything else. Once we see that the primary reference is to Christ, Paul is prepared to allow that there is a secondary and collective reference to all Christians, as being ‘in Christ’.

Tyndale Commentaries - Galatians.
 
All scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I think this exhortation still holds true except that it needs to be clear and acceptable between both parties.

As quoted above

All cripture is God breathed, through the prophets, through Jesus, through the Apostles, by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

God is, the same yesterday, today, forever.

Not one dot or tittle is to be changed, added or removed.

I think this subject is covered in the last few posts. In fact it would be fair to say, all scripture is covered in that everything written is of God

Ephesians 5:22-33 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

The wife is to submit to the husband in love,
The husband is to love his wife, as his own body, respecting one another in love.
In marriage they are 'One Body'

Marriage is sacred, created by God, marriage is so special Jesus compared His love for us, saved souls, His future Bride. What a wonderful example.

As for scripture it is what it says it is, every word, not to be cherry picked or changed but accepted wholey by all. Holy by all.

The Word of God, cannot change, it is God breathed, the same yesterday, today, for ever.
 
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Then that would render all other scripture which places man as the head null and void. You are taking that verse out of context. Poor exegesis.


They are Both true.
 
I get it now... Ephesians 5 isn't outdated, but for many 1 Corinthians 11 1-16 head coverings are outdated. Which other parts of the bible can we decide are outdated?


Great question. The Bible is not out dated but needs to be read in context.

There are certain truths which were meant for certain cultural applications and others are fundamentally eternal regardless
of the culture.

For example, the ceremonial laws of sacrifices were for a particular time and culture because Jesus, our ceremonial lamb had
not yet come. After Jesus we don't need to sacrifice lambs anymore for our sins; however I wouldn't read that as such a passage
being out dated. I would see it as a story being told and if you don't understand the beginning, than the middle and end makes
little sense.

The eternal truth underneath the cultural application is that we need our sins forgiven.
Another quick example. God speaks to us. That is an eternal truth. However there were
times in the Bible when God sent prophets, later Jesus was sent, and later Jesus sent His Holy
Spirit. Reading about the prophets does not make it outdated, it is part of the story of Christ
and gives the WORD of God context and meaning.

So with women and head covering, I think the eternal principle is modest and humility. Whether
it is shown through covering your head in their culture or perhaps not talking on your cellphone
or not wearing a 6 inch skirt and see thru top in church, the application for culture may be
different but the eternal principle is the same.

Love and God Bless.
 
As quoted above

All cripture is God breathed, through the prophets, through Jesus, through the Apostles, by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

God is, the same yesterday, today, forever.

Not one dot or tittle is to be changed, added or removed.

I think this subject is covered in the last few posts. In fact it would be fair to say, all scripture is covered in that everything written is of God

Ephesians 5:22-33 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

The wife is to submit to the husband in love,
The husband is to love his wife, as his own body, respecting one another in love.
In marriage they are 'One Body'

Marriage is sacred, created by God, marriage is so special Jesus compared His love for us, saved souls, His future Bride. What a wonderful example.

As for scripture it is what it says it is, every word, not to be cherry picked or changed but accepted wholey by all. Holy by all.

The Word of God, cannot change, it is God breathed, the same yesterday, today, for ever.
Problem is most Christians don’t understand the difference between “Holy Scripture” and a “Bible Translation”,

I am not saving that the Bible does not have the “Word of God” in it. To get that straight!
 
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Then that would render all other scripture which places man as the head null and void. You are taking that verse out of context. Poor exegesis.
The point i was making is we should consider ALL Scripture when coming to conclusions of the Word .
 
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