Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?

[B-A-C]

Teaching is not prophesying, teaching is telling, explaining, describing something unknown to the hearer. Principles taught by a person in authority, a parent or even a qualified person.

Agreed.

1 Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
1 Cor 12:29; All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?

 

[B-A-C]

A weak man started the whole sin thing.

2 Cor 11:3; But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

1 Tim 2:12; But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
1 Tim 2:13; For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14; And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

 

[B-A-C]

Then that would render all other scripture which places man as the head null and void. You are taking that verse out of context. Poor exegesis.

There is a lot of that here. Welcome to TalkJesus.

 

[Reba1]

2 Cor 11:3; But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

1 Tim 2:12; But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
1 Tim 2:13; For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14; And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

See the little smiley face that was to say it was a sorta a joke . Yes Eve was deceived Adam chose to sin.
Kidding aside , My personal view :
God has chosen to use the male female ideals to show the picture of Christ and the Church.
I see no difference in a man not loving his wife as Christ loves the Church as saying Christ does not love His Bride .
Women who will not accept the place God has places us is like saying The Church is on the same plain as Christ .
Being equal is not the same as being the same . Chocolate and vanilla ice cream are not the same but they are equal if they both are good ice cream . Too many Christians have bought into the world view of male and female . We are different different in mine body and spirit . Praise the Lord for our differences . Christian women have weakened the male position as Eve weakened Adam. For that both sexes should be ashamed .
When we look at the sin in our churches we can see the Scripture is not being taught .

 

[Brother-Paul]

The point i was making is we should consider ALL Scripture when coming to conclusions of the Word .

See true @Reba1

The Truth is always in The Word.

 

[PloughBoy]

2 Cor 11:3; But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

1 Tim 2:12; But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
1 Tim 2:13; For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14; And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

You are going to start a war among the sexist. With “The but” but he, but he, and he.

 

[Reba1]

You are going to start a war among the sexist. With “The but” but he, but he, and he.

That war was started about 6000 years ago Adam lost

 

[sweetcake]

A weak man started the whole sin thing.

I'm sorry but it was a woman who started the sin thing. Eve was first deceived by the Serpent / Satan. Instead of her going to Adam asking why is this serpent talking to me she decided on her own to debate Satan. Then she brought her sin to Adam to partake.

 

[Reba1]

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Their eyes were not opened until Adam chose to eat .

God spoke to Adam first not Eve and he blamed both God and Eve . When God spoke Eve she accepted that she gave into temptation
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok, and the day is comings when you shall behold us “The SONS of GOD”. In which the whole universe and All creation waited for “our Manifestation”! What a sight that is going to be!

(Romans 8).
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward. 19For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit , the redemption of our body.
24For in hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth for that which he seeth?
25But if we hope for that which we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You are going to start a war among the sexist. With “The but” but he, but he, and he.

Better to get it right and over with now brother(s), there will be no male or female in heaven. But...

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- and what exactly do you mean by your comment "when you shall behold us "The SONS of God".

@ Brother-Paul -- we are told there will not be Marriage in heaven. We Will be male / female in heaven.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@PloughBoy -- and what exactly do you mean by your comment "when you shall behold us "The SONS of God".

@ Brother-Paul -- we are told there will not be Marriage in heaven. We Will be male / female in heaven.

Greetings Sue,

I totally agree, can you confirm where you think I said there would be?

Bless you

 

[Sue D.]

Problem is most Christians don’t understand the difference between “Holy Scripture” and a “Bible Translation”,

I am not saving that the Bible does not have the “Word of God” in it. To get that straight!

"most Christians" ? why not simply speak for yourself.

Then, what exactly Are you saying?

The difference between God's Word (/ Holy Scripture)/ and a 'Bible Translation'. The Bible = God's Word = 66 books that we have now.

Are you talking about a Bible Translation or Version

Lots of people are Strong on KJV or NKJV. Nothing wrong with that. But there is Also the NAS , ESV.

The Problem comes from people trying to Add To what They feel is Should say compared to what it Does say.

The Pearls of Great Price is an example. There are other's also.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- and what exactly do you mean by your comment "when you shall behold us "The SONS of God".

@ Brother-Paul -- we are told there will not be Marriage in heaven. We Will be male / female in heaven.

What do you mean, what I mean, I don’t mean anything, I just “quoted “ “Holy Scripture “! I m quite sure it meant what it said! Unless you have your own private interpretation.

 

[PloughBoy]

Better to get it right and over with now brother(s), there will be no male or female in heaven. But...

I agree the male will be a new creature and the female will be a new creature as well, shape in the form God wants us to be, if we do what he has command us to do. There is no male of female and giving in marriage in Heaven. Like Angels. You have “Seraphim “ you have “Cherubim”, Arch-Angels, ...etc. but no male or females. But we will be humans. Like Angels are Angels.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- Your first sentence -- "shape in the form God wants us to be, If we do what He has commanded us to do." What 'form' would that be -- and why the qualifier -- IF we do what He has commanded us to do.

 

[Sue D.]

What do you mean, what I mean, I don’t mean anything, I just “quoted “ “Holy Scripture “! I m quite sure it meant what it said! Unless you have your own private interpretation.

Who are the 'you' and 'us' -- Who are The Sons' of God ?

 

[PloughBoy]

Don’t ask me, ask God. He said it, not me. I just quoted it and believe it. “Praise the Lord”!

 

[PloughBoy]

New American Standard Bible

My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you--



English Standard Version

If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love.