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Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?

Greetings Reba1

I wouldn't say Adam wimped out, he was tempted as we are tempted, he fell for it as we do too.

If a man or woman doesn't know Christ, has not received the Love of God and the Holy Spirit, they cannot love as Christ loves His Church. That said I must add there are caring loving lost souls out there, they are not all bad.

The whole world is crazy now, men used to be the bread winner, the one to go out and work to bring in money to supply for the family. Women used to be the wife, child minder, the one who looked after the home. Families were families then, not all loving but they were families, if the kids were trying the patience of the mum, there was always the words, wait till your dad gets home. Now a days families are split up and broken up, it is accepted one parent mum's is right, kids are tossed to and fro, from one to another.

How is a young man supposed to lead when he came from a family with no dad and no real leadership? It used to me that boys would want to be with their dad's learn from him, girls used to be with their mum's, learning from her, dolls and prams, learning how to look after little ones and the home.

It is not surprising, I think, the world has gone crazy, it is not surprizing hearts have hardened, it is not surprizing children are disobedient to their parent and have little to no respect for the elderly. All as prophesied in the latter days.

Bless you Reba1
have many fell to realize in view of Scripture, this world is condemn by God, subjective before the foundations of the world, are christians so eluded from the truth of the Coming of Jesus Christ and fell to understand or know what is the "Gospel of Jesus Christ", Have Christians fell to understand the Genesis statement: "let us make man in our image, in our likeness.....ff". Then Revealed in Jesus Christ the whole purpose in which as hidden in the OT. but now revealed. This creation was designed to fail, and everything in it, This place we live in, is like a furnace, a mixing bowl, to shape and create a brand new creature, made in the image of the "Trinty"! Even the wisdom of this world cannot conceived what is taking process here. Even the Angels of GOD do not know what we are to be! For they were created to minister to us! God do not need any company or Angels or any other being. We were not created for this world, this all is revealed in Jesus Christ unto the "Elect of God" a man cannot reveal this stuff or teach it! These things are strange to the non-elect of God neither can they understand for It is hidden in Christ Jesus! I do not care how much they might want to see it, They cannot or even understand it, no matter how much they try, they have not the ability, For God has so ordain it to be, True Christians are commanded to set their affections on the heavenly things and not the things upon this earth, for the things on this earth is temporal! We have had a "spiritual birth from above" these are not figurative words but real! We are born of God in a way that the world cannot understand or can believe that such things or happenings can exists, Now if my language seems strange to you, this is the reason why. short version for long read all of (1 cor.2).

1 Corinthians 2:12, NIV: "What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us." ... 1 Corinthians 2:12, NLT: "And we have received God's Spirit (not the world's spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us."
This is part of the "Gospel of Jesus Christ"!
 
What should wives do if the husband is not a Christian role model?
If he lacks Biblical standards except in public?
obey the Word, remember what Peter ask Jesus, "what about him" Jesus reply never mind about him, just do what i told you to do! You see i know, you know that already! LOL.
(John 21:21-23)
21When Peter saw him, he said, “Lord, what about him?”
22Jesus told him, “If it’s my will for him to remain until I come back, how does that concern you? You must keep following me!” 23So the rumor spread among the brothersk that this disciple wasn’t going to die. Yet Jesus didn’t say to Peterl that he wasn’t going to die, but, “If it’s my will for him to remain until I come back, how does that concern you?”
 
@PloughBoy

I will come back to this tomorrow, I am failing to understand what you are not understanding and I say that in love. I appreciate your passion for Christ, that is commendable brother. But this world includes believers and none believers, and as The Word confirms, scripture confirms, The Word is folly to those who are lost.

The lost do not give a damb about Jesus, they do not need a crutch to lean on, they are in charge of their life. Till the foundations crumble.

If we think all should be following The Word, we are right to think so, but in reality that is not the case.

Please do not condemn your brothers and sisters in Christ by what appears to be your understanding. That sounds harsh, I apologise but, The Word is clear, God wants all to be saved but all will not be saved, the end of John 3:1-21 confirms that.

We are a passionate as you brother but, this current world, in these latter days includes a mixture of weeds and wheat and at present there are more weeds than ever amongst the wheat. We must not give up, the harvest is ready but the workers are few.

My heart is troubled my friend, so it is good night and God Bless.

In His Love
 
ill for him to remain until I come back, how does that concern you? You must keep following me!” 23So the rumor spread among the brothersk that this disciple wasn’t going to die. Yet Jesus didn’t say to Peterl that he wasn’t going to die,

Wasn't this John?
 
@PloughBoy

I will come back to this tomorrow, I am failing to understand what you are not understanding and I say that in love. I appreciate your passion for Christ, that is commendable brother. But this world includes believers and none believers, and as The Word confirms, scripture confirms, The Word is folly to those who are lost.

The lost do not give a damb about Jesus, they do not need a crutch to lean on, they are in charge of their life. Till the foundations crumble.

If we think all should be following The Word, we are right to think so, but in reality that is not the case.

Please do not condemn your brothers and sisters in Christ by what appears to be your understanding. That sounds harsh, I apologise but, The Word is clear, God wants all to be saved but all will not be saved, the end of John 3:1-21 confirms that.

We are a passionate as you brother but, this current world, in these latter days includes a mixture of weeds and wheat and at present there are more weeds than ever amongst the wheat. We must not give up, the harvest is ready but the workers are few.

My heart is troubled my friend, so it is good night and God Bless.

In His Love

!(1 Tim 2).
11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

you said. i agree.
The lost do not give a damb about Jesus, they do not need a crutch to lean on, they are in charge of their life. Till the foundations crumble.
Why, i believe God has so ordain it to be, according to Holy Scripture in whole content. for we are the “”Elect of God” all of The Elect of God will come to birth in God’s time.
Not meaning to beat one up with scripture, but sometimes scripture come across by the bearer as in the book of Jeremiah, where God declares it as a “hammer” it might mean in the original language. [imprint}. Sharper than a two edge sword, separating joints from marrow. Following Jesus, causes you pain and suffering from everyside, you know this, it never stops. example: from the cradle to the grave so it is physically so it is spiritually..

you said:
“If we think all should be following The Word, we are right to think so, but in reality that is not the case.”

No i don’t expect everyone in the world to, but true believers are commanded to follow “The Word”. We are to make disciples of Christians [those who are “born from above” we are not commanded to make disciples of NoN christians.[devils]. The messages is always different for a True christian and a Nominal one. They are not the same, one is a child of God the other is not. Per Se, Holy Scripture.
yes it hurts to say that, yes it hurts to believe that! But we are commanded to lean not upon our own understanding but trust in the Lord Our God. David cried, Aaron Cried, Moses Cried and countless others have cried, woman, males! History are filed with tears concerning the manifestation of this truth.

And everyone who God wants to be saved is going to get saved, God is God, whatever God wants, He gets it, He is not a man, He is the Almighty God. Salvation is not base upon man, there is nothing a person can do or say that can determine His salvation. A sinner does not have the ability to choose God, he is incapable to do so. He can choose everything He wants but He cannot choose God, for he loves darkness rather than light, for it is his nature, for he is a sinner not by choice but by birth.

God is not like a man, He does not think like a man. His ways are nothing like a man. His reasoning is like night and day from a man. So no matter how we try to sum up in the details there is no comprehension of a Infinite being by a finite creature. We must believe His Word.

God chooses or creates us unto salvation before there was a time or space, all creation and the heavens and the cosmos was made to shape and form us into the Very image of HIs Son. nothing is done by chance, or mistake or in error. He is GOD Almighty! There is no error in GOD no Mistakes in HIs creations, He is incapable to do so! He is the potter and everything is as clay, He calls everything into existence by HIS WORD, He just speak, He wrestles with nothing, There is no warrior that can approach HIM! There is no one or thing or creature that came before Him, For HE is not a man or Creature! HE is GOD!

I hope this has encourage you! and not offended you, from where you stand, for when you see Him, you shall; be just LIKE HIM! He will have to wipe away your tears.
 
@PloughBoy -- you have a sour attitude towards woman and marriage and pretty much life in general.
Just because I believe in the unadulterated Word of God, and not the idea of the teaching of man for the commandments of God! Well, I really don't have a problem with the Word of God but I do recognize it seems to me, you do, when it addresses the female agenda. God knows exactly what He is doing when he made females and gave her simple orders, don't eat from that tree! You cannot get no plainer than that. If she didn't obey God's direct order in a perfect state. And men, if she didn't obey God then, Do you really expect her to obey you in the 21st. Century. She Told God the devil trick me! Honestly I think she was lying then. And as far as women go, I like em. Matter of fact I like em a lot. Matter of fact I sometime wish God would let us marry 4 or 5 of them. But he knows what is good for us,
 
!(1 Tim 2).
11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

you said. i agree.
The lost do not give a damb about Jesus, they do not need a crutch to lean on, they are in charge of their life. Till the foundations crumble.
Why, i believe God has so ordain it to be, according to Holy Scripture in whole content. for we are the “”Elect of God” all of The Elect of God will come to birth in God’s time.
Not meaning to beat one up with scripture, but sometimes scripture come across by the bearer as in the book of Jeremiah, where God declares it as a “hammer” it might mean in the original language. [imprint}. Sharper than a two edge sword, separating joints from marrow. Following Jesus, causes you pain and suffering from everyside, you know this, it never stops. example: from the cradle to the grave so it is physically so it is spiritually..

you said:
“If we think all should be following The Word, we are right to think so, but in reality that is not the case.”

No i don’t expect everyone in the world to, but true believers are commanded to follow “The Word”. We are to make disciples of Christians [those who are “born from above” we are not commanded to make disciples of NoN christians.[devils]. The messages is always different for a True christian and a Nominal one. They are not the same, one is a child of God the other is not. Per Se, Holy Scripture.
yes it hurts to say that, yes it hurts to believe that! But we are commanded to lean not upon our own understanding but trust in the Lord Our God. David cried, Aaron Cried, Moses Cried and countless others have cried, woman, males! History are filed with tears concerning the manifestation of this truth.

And everyone who God wants to be saved is going to get saved, God is God, whatever God wants, He gets it, He is not a man, He is the Almighty God. Salvation is not base upon man, there is nothing a person can do or say that can determine His salvation. A sinner does not have the ability to choose God, he is incapable to do so. He can choose everything He wants but He cannot choose God, for he loves darkness rather than light, for it is his nature, for he is a sinner not by choice but by birth.

God is not like a man, He does not think like a man. His ways are nothing like a man. His reasoning is like night and day from a man. So no matter how we try to sum up in the details there is no comprehension of a Infinite being by a finite creature. We must believe His Word.

God chooses or creates us unto salvation before there was a time or space, all creation and the heavens and the cosmos was made to shape and form us into the Very image of HIs Son. nothing is done by chance, or mistake or in error. He is GOD Almighty! There is no error in GOD no Mistakes in HIs creations, He is incapable to do so! He is the potter and everything is as clay, He calls everything into existence by HIS WORD, He just speak, He wrestles with nothing, There is no warrior that can approach HIM! There is no one or thing or creature that came before Him, For HE is not a man or Creature! HE is GOD!

I hope this has encourage you! and not offended you, from where you stand, for when you see Him, you shall; be just LIKE HIM! He will have to wipe away your tears.


Greetings brother,

A forum such as TJ has been blessed with brothers and sisters in Christ with knowledge of The Word, that it good and sure does help others to grow in faith. To God be the Glory.

The issue is that some preach The Word, in such a way that the whole word actually obeys The Word, this is as far away from The Truth as the east is from the west.

Surely we have to accept, if we accept The Word, as we say we do, that we are a peculiar people, according to scripture and according to the world, we are in Christ and Christ is in us. The world does not know Him, the world does not want to know Him, they have rejected God's one and only Son who died for their sins.

Now when we talk of the wife is to obey her husband, the husband is to care for and love his wife, we are quoting this is what is right, according to scripture, 'for the believing husband and wife. The world has it's own rules, which come from the devil, they are opposite to God's rules.

So when we look at these facts, it is clear to me, Christian's (born again not just named themselves) are expected and should willingly and lovingly accept God's guidance, clearly given to us and all generations. It is also clear to me when considering these facts every marriage is not made up of a saved husband and wife, therefore we must be mindful of these things at all times.

It is true to say that the majority of marriages at this time, latter days, consist of two unbelieving souls, one believing and one unbelieving soul, the percentage where both believe is very small.

We also should be mindful that when a saved soul comes on here and we share together, his or her partner may be an unbeliever, there could be a spiritual battle going on, the other partner may be controlling and demanding even abusive.

In this world not everything is black and white, for believers, that is saved souls, The Truth is in The Word, that is to us Black and White, even though many messages are quite colourful.

That is my 2p brother

Bless you.
 
Just because I believe in the unadulterated Word of God, and not the idea of the teaching of man for the commandments of God! Well, I really don't have a problem with the Word of God but I do recognize it seems to me, you do, when it addresses the female agenda. God knows exactly what He is doing when he made females and gave her simple orders, don't eat from that tree! You cannot get no plainer than that. If she didn't obey God's direct order in a perfect state. And men, if she didn't obey God then, Do you really expect her to obey you in the 21st. Century. She Told God the devil trick me! Honestly I think she was lying then. And as far as women go, I like em. Matter of fact I like em a lot. Matter of fact I sometime wish God would let us marry 4 or 5 of them. But he knows what is good for us,


Adam followed Eve. God gave Adam that information 1st.

So - you Like women -- you'd Love to 'set us straight' -- you'd love the opportunity to 'set straight' a Bunch of us. Well -- speaking for myself -- I'm so Very thankful that God knows what's best for all of us 'women-folk' out there. He's seen fit to Not hook us up with you. :)

I'm a born again believer and was married to another born again believer -- who had a problem with PTSD and who passed away about 1 1/2 yrs ago from a huge brain bleed caused by an aneurism -- a stroke that disabled his right side of his body. I had to make some very hard emergency decisions -- the1st one had to be made by Me. the second one was a family and pastoral group decision. I was assured that I'd made the right choice for the 1st surgery.
 
Interesting that wives are to ' submit' to their husband and the husbands are to ' love' their wives and not visa versa.
 
Adam followed Eve. God gave Adam that information 1st.

So - you Like women -- you'd Love to 'set us straight' -- you'd love the opportunity to 'set straight' a Bunch of us. Well -- speaking for myself -- I'm so Very thankful that God knows what's best for all of us 'women-folk' out there. He's seen fit to Not hook us up with you. :)

I'm a born again believer and was married to another born again believer -- who had a problem with PTSD and who passed away about 1 1/2 yrs ago from a huge brain bleed caused by an aneurism -- a stroke that disabled his right side of his body. I had to make some very hard emergency decisions -- the1st one had to be made by Me. the second one was a family and pastoral group decision. I was assured that I'd made the right choice for the 1st surgery.
Sue, I am sorry for your loss, truly I am.
:pensive:
 
Interesting that wives are to ' submit' to their husband and the husbands are to ' love' their wives and not visa versa.
By my observation of the the text, women have to be taught how to love their husband by a experience older God fearing women. :cool:

(Titus 2).
3Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

Mmmm nice:)
 
I totally agree @sweetcake

The questions I think are...

Are they followers of Jesus, or the world? or

Are they Christians by name

Are they just church goers?

Are they born again?

Bless you
Far too many churches and Christians are picking and choosing what will and won't be followed.

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Lu 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Lu 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Lu 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Lu 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
 
Far too many churches and Christians are picking and choosing what will and won't be followed.

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Lu 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Lu 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Lu 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Lu 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.


So true sister, but if they are not born again... they will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. John 3:3, 5 & 7

Which concludes in the last few verses here.

John 3:16-21 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."


If they are not born again, they cannot abide in Him, they do not practice Righteousness

1 John 2:28-29 (NKJV)
28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
 
Marriage diverts our attention from the Lord and from working for the Lord, according to Paul. The husband leads that work. Submission has only to do with our primary task, that being kingdom work.
 
Marriage diverts our attention from the Lord and from working for the Lord, according to Paul. The husband leads that work. Submission has only to do with our primary task, that being kingdom work.
"Submission has only to do with our primary task, that being kingdom work."
Not so sister. Please re-read scripture.
 

Ada Tozer said: "AW loved God and my second husband love me"
 
"Submission has only to do with our primary task, that being kingdom work."
Not so sister. Please re-read scripture.

I know where this is going and when it does I'm done here. "Wives submit to your husband's in all things.". You "men," always do it by the letter don't you. You ought to do it by the letter, and had better start doing it by the heart. You men of the world are civilian, and your wives should submit to you in civilian affairs. Ours submit in heavenly, we died.
 
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