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I agree as there are no other choices. There is either life or death there is no my way.
Is 'Free Will' really free will? and if not??
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Who decided to eat that tree? Call it a command I'd go with that. But besides a command it was also a choice for Adam to make.
Greetings,
This might appear pedantic, but, was it a choice for Adam to make or was it a choice Adam made?
please read on (to follow this post)
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Greetings all,
It would appear that the majority consensus thus far [and by the way, anyone can change their poll vote at any time - if you want to] is that man does have 'free will'.
Perhaps if we push a little harder and consider, is it really 'free' will or simply that man has a will?
And, on that line of thought, where does the will come from in a man? His head [mind]? His heart? His soul? His body? His spirit? His strength?
Is the will of man somehow connected to or a part of love?
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
Mark 12:30
One or two snippets from the Bible:
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12
Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
Acts 26:12-18
Bless you ....><>
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:8-10
It would appear that the majority consensus thus far [and by the way, anyone can change their poll vote at any time - if you want to] is that man does have 'free will'.
Perhaps if we push a little harder and consider, is it really 'free' will or simply that man has a will?
And, on that line of thought, where does the will come from in a man? His head [mind]? His heart? His soul? His body? His spirit? His strength?
Is the will of man somehow connected to or a part of love?
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
Mark 12:30
One or two snippets from the Bible:
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12
Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
Acts 26:12-18
Bless you ....><>
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.Ephesians 5:8-10
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''My way'' is life or death. People reject the light because they love the darkness John 3:19.
In death and life ''my way'' still exists. God is a Father. We will not have to obey Him like a slave in heaven and for all eternity. Now those in hell will also, by default of God being good, have freedom in their 'darkness'.
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You quote unrelated scripture or make terrible assumptions off of cherry picked scripture.
If you say or imply that God does something only someone wicked would do, you are saying He is wicked. You cloud these statements by saying over and over ''God is love''. Giving the reader a confused view of God. One of Him being a mix of good and evil. Which is why I have to constantly remind you, He is ''only'' love.
My arguments are not from personal ideas. That is just evidence you have not read them. Take for example Luke 13:28. You said people weep and gnash their teeth due to heat. That verse says they do so after looking up and seeing they are cast out of heaven.
What has God reprimanding His children got to due with you not being able to read Luke 13:28 and espouse / support the view of others who also espouse a wicked God who tortures His enemy. Torture is wicked. You post so much material that is appreciated, but unrelated.
I don't accept? Can you show me a scripture I don't accept please. I accept every scripture. I read them in the correct context though. You have cherry picked examples that support your take of God being a terrifying and hateful God. That is just not true.
Drowning is quick death. It is how a good and loving God would remove someone who is extremely wicked. Mother Theresa would do this. Nero would not. Nero would put your head in the water and take it out just before you drown over and over.
Scripture says the fires in Sodom and Gomorrah were high. It looked like a furnace. IE God burnt the cities quickly. Death by fire is a quick death. Something a good God and Mother Theresa would do to their enemy. Nero, would likely wrap cloth around your legs and prolong your burning or place you in a brazen bull.
So, as you see there is no torture from God to the wicked. None whatsoever. God is love, proven by His actions. See that is our job Brother Paul. We don't just say ''God is love'' and caps and bold the ''is''. We prove it. That is what you guys are not doing.
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When I say there is no "my way" I am referring that all decisions we make are either based on information from either light or darkness. There are no independent queries from ourselves without it being influenced by either light or darkness.
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Greetings all,
It would appear that the majority consensus thus far [and by the way, anyone can change their poll vote at any time - if you want to] is that man does have 'free will'.
Perhaps if we push a little harder and consider, is it really 'free' will or simply that man has a will?
And, on that line of thought, where does the will come from in a man? His head [mind]? His heart? His soul? His body? His spirit? His strength?
Is the will of man somehow connected to or a part of love?
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
Mark 12:30
One or two snippets from the Bible:
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12
Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
Acts 26:12-18
Bless you ....><>
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Ephesians 5:8-10
Greetings brother
I didn't vote as I felt the question was, to broad a statement, as we have seen, as wide as the east is from the west so to speak. That is not a critism my friend.
For me I feel the situation with Adam and Eve, prior to the fall is different to after the fall. Now if asked, has God given man free will
from after the Fall, I would have to say Yes. But I believe the free will choice He has given us is as stated previously, to accept Him or to not accept Him. To turn from Sin and practice righteousness. That I feel is the life or death free will choice God has given man, and He has done so through His love for mankind. God has not demanded our Love for Him, He has given us all a free will choice to return to Him and He has given us all our lives to repent and change. Stop practicing sin, start practicing righteousness.
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Greeting brother, prior to the fall there was no sin. I feel, that God felt, a command with warning should be all that is required.
Put another way, now listen here son, says the loving father, you can warm yourself in the sun, but do not go to close and do not touch the fire in the middle of the garden, you will surely burn.
It is a command and a warning from a loving father. What does the child do, go put his hand in the fire, No.
Prior to the fall the command and warning from the loving father should have been enough. It was the devil that made it a choice by saying, surly you will not die....
Taking the example, our loving father told us not to go near or touch the fire, or we will surely burn. The devil put different thoughts in our head, surely you will not burn. So what do we do? We go and check it out. Was that a choice, I don't think so, though it could be considered a choice, we have heard two options, we will surly burn, surly we will not burn, so we are curious, choice is not in the equation I don't think.
Blessings
Greetings all,
It would appear that the majority consensus thus far [and by the way, anyone can change their poll vote at any time - if you want to] is that man does have 'free will'.
Perhaps if we push a little harder and consider, is it really 'free' will or simply that man has a will?
And, on that line of thought, where does the will come from in a man? His head [mind]? His heart? His soul? His body? His spirit? His strength?
Is the will of man somehow connected to or a part of love?
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
Mark 12:30
One or two snippets from the Bible:
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12
Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
Acts 26:12-18
Bless you ....><>
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Ephesians 5:8-10
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As humans we All have Free Will, choices come to us every day, many times a day, we are free to chose which we think is right, or right for us, we often may not be the right choice but we have Free Will.
Lost souls don't usually believe in sin, but they are in sin, deep sin, they make choices according to 'Sin, the world and the devil' they have Free Will which was given by God. God loves All and does not want any to be lost.
Saved souls. With our Free Will we choose to follow Jesus, we choose to come to God through Jesus, we choose to take up our cross daily. We choose Light not darkness, we choose Life eternal, not death.
We All have a Free Will choice, it remains until our last breath on earth. It is a God given Free Will, given in Love, that we can All turn from sin, have our slate wiped clean, and be Saved, having no condemnation, OR we can choose to follow, 'sin the world and the devil' remaining in sin, and receive the condemnation God has given All.
John 3:16-21 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
Thanks be to God, in Jesus Name, Amen
Lost souls don't usually believe in sin, but they are in sin, deep sin, they make choices according to 'Sin, the world and the devil' they have Free Will which was given by God. God loves All and does not want any to be lost.
Saved souls. With our Free Will we choose to follow Jesus, we choose to come to God through Jesus, we choose to take up our cross daily. We choose Light not darkness, we choose Life eternal, not death.
We All have a Free Will choice, it remains until our last breath on earth. It is a God given Free Will, given in Love, that we can All turn from sin, have our slate wiped clean, and be Saved, having no condemnation, OR we can choose to follow, 'sin the world and the devil' remaining in sin, and receive the condemnation God has given All.
John 3:16-21 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
Thanks be to God, in Jesus Name, Amen
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" The modern Christian church currently teaches that man has "free will." By exercising this will, man can allegedly overpower the will of God. This idea makes the mind of man the supreme power of the universe. Thus modern Christianity believes in the sovereignty of man, all the while dismembering the sovereignty of God.
This doctrine of mans sovereignty is called Free Moral Agency. A Free Moral Agent believes that man's choices determine his spiritual destiny. This concept allows your choices to take preeminence over Gods decisions, as though he had somehow abdicated his throne in favor of your wisdom. This preposterous delusion propels the carnal mind of man above the throne of God, thwarting his plans, nullifying his choices, demeaning his wisdom, dismantling his power, impugning his judgement, and thrashing his sovereignty." Excerpt from SON PLACING BY GARRISON RUSSELL (DECEASED) THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THIS BUT YOU CANNOT SEE IT UNTIL YOU GET PAST "SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS". PLEASE READ CH 1 OF EPHESIANS THEN RECONSIDER.
"FREE WILL" IS THE CARNAL MINDS OBJECTION TO GODS SOVEREIGNTY.
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This doctrine of mans sovereignty is called Free Moral Agency. A Free Moral Agent believes that man's choices determine his spiritual destiny. This concept allows your choices to take preeminence over Gods decisions, as though he had somehow abdicated his throne in favor of your wisdom. This preposterous delusion propels the carnal mind of man above the throne of God, thwarting his plans, nullifying his choices, demeaning his wisdom, dismantling his power, impugning his judgement, and thrashing his sovereignty." Excerpt from SON PLACING BY GARRISON RUSSELL (DECEASED) THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THIS BUT YOU CANNOT SEE IT UNTIL YOU GET PAST "SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS". PLEASE READ CH 1 OF EPHESIANS THEN RECONSIDER.
"FREE WILL" IS THE CARNAL MINDS OBJECTION TO GODS SOVEREIGNTY.
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Rom 2:1-4 It would seem we have a few judges among our fine group. A mind renewed is no longer carnal!! How about that for a revelation??? LOL( 1 Cor 1:30-31!!) If our minds have no place in following Lord Jesus instructions,then why is it that God asked carnal minds do you believe upon me??( John 16:31, John 1:50-51, Matt 9:28, John 11:25-26 He even as Peter if he loved me 3 times! John 21:15-17) and finally, if Jesus can do all things without our belief, then how is it he could do no mighty works, without our belief?? (Mark 6:4-6) Even in the Old Covenant ,God asked us to make our own choice. ( Jos 24:15) God' Sovereignty lies through his own Word!( Psalm 138:2) He cannot lie nor go against it.
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I chose YOU, YOU did not choose ME. Those found on Mt. Zion with him are CALLED, CHOSEN, FAITHFUL, and LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH.
I cannot call myself nor can I choose myself to be a part of this group. It is predetermined by the wisdom of GOD. Ephesians 1:9 "Having made known unto us the mystery of HIS WILL, according to HIS good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself. 1:4 According as HE hath CHOSEN us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. 1:5 Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL. I cannot in any way see where God started this and left it up to me as to my own spiritual outcome. From my reading it seems he knew exactly what he was going to do before he created the world and just who and in what order they would be born, called, chosen etc.... Jesus came when God sent him into the world, just as he has sent us into the world at this time. luckily we live after the sacrifice and grace rules instead of the Law. As Jesus has said "Their has been no greater man born of a woman than John the Baptist, but the least in the kingdom of God is GREATER than he. Simple reason after his death the Holy Ghost was given to those whom God chose to give it. Even Jesus when praying said " I pray not for the world but for those whom THOU HAST GIVEN ME". Again Gods choice just like the choosing of the disciples not their choice but the Fathers. Plain and simple when you hear (I accepted Jesus into my heart) this is Self Righteousness. He gave up his life to attain full spiritual maturity in order to give us the same spirit the Father gave him so that when matured we could be in the same spiritual plane as he is today THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. If you dig deep maybe he will let you understand why it is necessary for those whom are called and chosen to be matured. The answer is (though maybe premature for most is): SO THAT YOU CAN ONE DAY GIVE OF THE SPIRITUAL LIFE THAT HE HAS GIVEN TO YOU TO THE NEXT GROUP!! Try Isaiah 59:21 "As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord: My spirit that is upon thee (Jesus), and my words which I have put in thy mouth , shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEEDS SEED, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever. Jesus Christ has SEED spiritually. He is the Spiritual Seed of the Father, He then now Baptizes in the Holy Ghost and with fire which makes one BORN AGAIN (spiritual birth) his seed from the same spirit of GOD that birthed him. But in the verse we see that his SEED also has seed, how can that be unless they are matured to the same level as he?
This is the precious pearl that was spoken of in the parable. Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his friends. Why? so that he could be the one to give unto us everlasting spiritual life and to be able to exist in the Fathers realm. This is why we are called the BRIDE OF CHRIST, there is indeed much to this but will have to wait but know that We have the same opportunity as he through the second birth but this is shown unto very few I would guess.
All I'm really saying is that God had a plan to create children and he began the plan and is still following his original blue prints to have that outcome succeed.
And who shall alter or stop his plan?? Me or You? I think not and am grateful that I understand that he has a better plan for me than I could ever Imagine for myself, but I can begin to see a little of it.
This is not meant to be argumentative but to teach what has been taught. If it is too much then I apologize. But someday He will make this a reality in your mind as well that you might strive for what is the HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. To pass on what you have been given and give spiritual life unto the next group as the Father orders once he has matured and glorified YOU.
PS This will not happen until after the thousand year reign.
I cannot call myself nor can I choose myself to be a part of this group. It is predetermined by the wisdom of GOD. Ephesians 1:9 "Having made known unto us the mystery of HIS WILL, according to HIS good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself. 1:4 According as HE hath CHOSEN us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. 1:5 Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL. I cannot in any way see where God started this and left it up to me as to my own spiritual outcome. From my reading it seems he knew exactly what he was going to do before he created the world and just who and in what order they would be born, called, chosen etc.... Jesus came when God sent him into the world, just as he has sent us into the world at this time. luckily we live after the sacrifice and grace rules instead of the Law. As Jesus has said "Their has been no greater man born of a woman than John the Baptist, but the least in the kingdom of God is GREATER than he. Simple reason after his death the Holy Ghost was given to those whom God chose to give it. Even Jesus when praying said " I pray not for the world but for those whom THOU HAST GIVEN ME". Again Gods choice just like the choosing of the disciples not their choice but the Fathers. Plain and simple when you hear (I accepted Jesus into my heart) this is Self Righteousness. He gave up his life to attain full spiritual maturity in order to give us the same spirit the Father gave him so that when matured we could be in the same spiritual plane as he is today THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. If you dig deep maybe he will let you understand why it is necessary for those whom are called and chosen to be matured. The answer is (though maybe premature for most is): SO THAT YOU CAN ONE DAY GIVE OF THE SPIRITUAL LIFE THAT HE HAS GIVEN TO YOU TO THE NEXT GROUP!! Try Isaiah 59:21 "As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord: My spirit that is upon thee (Jesus), and my words which I have put in thy mouth , shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEEDS SEED, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever. Jesus Christ has SEED spiritually. He is the Spiritual Seed of the Father, He then now Baptizes in the Holy Ghost and with fire which makes one BORN AGAIN (spiritual birth) his seed from the same spirit of GOD that birthed him. But in the verse we see that his SEED also has seed, how can that be unless they are matured to the same level as he?
This is the precious pearl that was spoken of in the parable. Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his friends. Why? so that he could be the one to give unto us everlasting spiritual life and to be able to exist in the Fathers realm. This is why we are called the BRIDE OF CHRIST, there is indeed much to this but will have to wait but know that We have the same opportunity as he through the second birth but this is shown unto very few I would guess.
All I'm really saying is that God had a plan to create children and he began the plan and is still following his original blue prints to have that outcome succeed.
And who shall alter or stop his plan?? Me or You? I think not and am grateful that I understand that he has a better plan for me than I could ever Imagine for myself, but I can begin to see a little of it.
This is not meant to be argumentative but to teach what has been taught. If it is too much then I apologize. But someday He will make this a reality in your mind as well that you might strive for what is the HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. To pass on what you have been given and give spiritual life unto the next group as the Father orders once he has matured and glorified YOU.
PS This will not happen until after the thousand year reign.
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In the beginning before the fall, man had a choice to choose either Gods way or his own way. But since the fall he rather choose darkness rather than light. He lost his will and the power to choose the ways of God until the Son came and sent another “Paraclete” back that we would also have the power to choose the things of God. You see I did not choose him, He chose me. “No man can come to Son unless the Father draws [the Greek Word means “drags”] him. Now this is not a violent drag but an irrestible one, full of mercy and grace that no man, women or child can resist. But every now and then my foot slips, but His love sustains me. “O wretched man that I am! Who shall delivery me from the body of this death? “ One day We are going to put on that new body, and it is going to have one will one action. Would you finish that, I feel like running!
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Actually GOD planned the fall of Adam and EVE for without that fall there would never have been a need for Jesus whom he foreordained to be the CAPTAIN OF OUR SALVATION. He was to be the first of the spiritual NEW BEINGS by Gods choice. Many people have said to me why did GOD not choose Them to be Jesus? It simply was not his choice just like Jacob I have loved and Esau have I hated even before the children were born so we see that it is by his choices that we are made to be vessels to honor or dishonor, does the pot say to the maker why has though made me thus?
The deeper we go in his word the more free we become simply because he opens our understanding to his plan and we rejoice in that knowledge that it includes everyone. That is Freedom!! And it also saves us from this body of death as we wait. Your slips and falls are given to strengthen you and you must see them as challenges to overcome and thus become what you are meant to be.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL : I the LORD do all these things.
A man makes decisions based on his knowledge today but once that knowledge is updated he makes different decisions. The knowledge that a man works with is a direct result of what God has allowed him to receive. After all "A man can receive nothing except it be given from above".
Maybe i will start a thread on the Ecclesia when time allows, it is quite deep but yet simple to understand. Basically we all came from the same place in GOD
just as EVE came from ADAM, indeed the reason GOD created only ADAM in the beginning was to show us HIS condition. We understand the things of the spirit by the things of the natural? GOD had everything but was still unsatisfied as He had nothing that He had not created. Try having an original coversation with your coffee pot and tell me how it turns out. Just kidding. But truly we see Adam lonely even in the presence of the Father, and as GOD took the rib of Adam to form Adams mate to fulfill Adams lonliness he took of himself to place the spirits that are in man to one day become his children. The Ecclesia are a group of feminine spirits of the same origin (the rib of God) and are all feminine. (BRIDE OF CHRIST) This is the state of all un born again humans. It is when they receive the masculine spiritual genetics from Jesus Christ that the new creature is conceived within the body that will undertake a gestational period as the Father sees fit (length wise) before it comes to maturity. But as ALL came out from GOD and are of the same
part of him so shall they ALL return to him as his children but in the Fathers good time. Patience truly is a virtue that cannot be understated in our wait for our own glorification.
The deeper we go in his word the more free we become simply because he opens our understanding to his plan and we rejoice in that knowledge that it includes everyone. That is Freedom!! And it also saves us from this body of death as we wait. Your slips and falls are given to strengthen you and you must see them as challenges to overcome and thus become what you are meant to be.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL : I the LORD do all these things.
A man makes decisions based on his knowledge today but once that knowledge is updated he makes different decisions. The knowledge that a man works with is a direct result of what God has allowed him to receive. After all "A man can receive nothing except it be given from above".
Maybe i will start a thread on the Ecclesia when time allows, it is quite deep but yet simple to understand. Basically we all came from the same place in GOD
just as EVE came from ADAM, indeed the reason GOD created only ADAM in the beginning was to show us HIS condition. We understand the things of the spirit by the things of the natural? GOD had everything but was still unsatisfied as He had nothing that He had not created. Try having an original coversation with your coffee pot and tell me how it turns out. Just kidding. But truly we see Adam lonely even in the presence of the Father, and as GOD took the rib of Adam to form Adams mate to fulfill Adams lonliness he took of himself to place the spirits that are in man to one day become his children. The Ecclesia are a group of feminine spirits of the same origin (the rib of God) and are all feminine. (BRIDE OF CHRIST) This is the state of all un born again humans. It is when they receive the masculine spiritual genetics from Jesus Christ that the new creature is conceived within the body that will undertake a gestational period as the Father sees fit (length wise) before it comes to maturity. But as ALL came out from GOD and are of the same
part of him so shall they ALL return to him as his children but in the Fathers good time. Patience truly is a virtue that cannot be understated in our wait for our own glorification.
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John 15:16 I fully agree! However and there is a however YOUR THE ONE WHO decides if you stay on his side or not!( Col 1:23!!!!) ( 1 Tim 4:1-2) The faith or measure of faith God has given to all people( Rom 12:3) its now YOURS!!!!! ( 2 Peter 1:3-11) please note verse 4 and beyond. We are accountable! And since nothing was addressed that I showed you in scripture,I understand you do not understand. But My hope is that many will!!
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Jesus chose 12 disciples, and yet one betrayed him! How was this possible? Because judas was not forced,he choose! ( John 12:6) he was a thief to start with! Jesus knew!!! But yet gave Judas free will to choose for himself, and he did. As he does for us all. Remember Jesus first choose 72 people!!( Luke 10:1-2) BUT!!!! Many departed,just like many are doing today. ( John 6:58-66) and (1 Tim 1:19) We have the right to shipwreck our faith if we so desire. Free will!! THOSE WHO ENDURE TILL THE END SHALL BE SAVED!!!! ( Matt 24:13) The large words are not yelling,rather attention should be given is all. Many will believe as they choose,but the point in believing is our choice.
