Is Homosexuality Abomible?
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I would look to hermaphrodites as one thing, what can we or them do ? so i have nothing against them at all.
Then there are people who have just a mental problem and i don't see that as a thing really that we can do about it, but be educated on the condition. and just be mindful and understanding of it as they have no control over it.
And then there is the problem of people just being down right sinful and disgusting and it's this lot, i have to be repulsed with be it anyone. and that is Sodom ! and it is out of control in my opinion. leading our youth astray and the schools now use derelict force like Nazis did to undermine us parents. ( it's a fact ! ) and it's like, if i oppose anything. i am some sort of degenerate prejudice damned fool to question it at all.
Then there are people who have just a mental problem and i don't see that as a thing really that we can do about it, but be educated on the condition. and just be mindful and understanding of it as they have no control over it.
And then there is the problem of people just being down right sinful and disgusting and it's this lot, i have to be repulsed with be it anyone. and that is Sodom ! and it is out of control in my opinion. leading our youth astray and the schools now use derelict force like Nazis did to undermine us parents. ( it's a fact ! ) and it's like, if i oppose anything. i am some sort of degenerate prejudice damned fool to question it at all.
NO we should not encourage homosexuals to cohabit together in any way ,shape or form....it is an abomination.
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman it is an abomination.
Rom 1:26,27 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is AGAINST NATURE. Likewise the men Likewise the men leaving the natural use of the women burned in their lust for one another, men with men COMMITTING WHAT IS SHAMEFUL, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman it is an abomination.
Rom 1:26,27 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is AGAINST NATURE. Likewise the men Likewise the men leaving the natural use of the women burned in their lust for one another, men with men COMMITTING WHAT IS SHAMEFUL, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
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That is true but what about a hermaphrodites ? what can one do.
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A biologically true hermaphrodite occurrence is far more rare than a soul preference for homosexuality, which remains well below the 10% level among humans to establish any "normalcy" status. If medical science identifies a person as being a hermaphrodite, then certainly (medically) they are physiologically excused for whichever sexual behavior they prefer. However, spiritually they are subject to Christ and power through Christ to conform to the will of God. Jesus has a way for them to overcome that condition.
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"Hermaphrodite"? Up to this point in time I had never heard of such.
but my dictionary informs......An animal in which the characteristics of both sexes are apparent, or combined., a flower that containd both the 'stamen' and the ' pistil. Including or being of both sexes.
This quote from my O.P
I find this quite disturbing as I look for an answer to the argument that homosexuality is on a par with the infidel rest.
I thank the lady 'tinks' for the scriptures........
Amen dear lady.
The scripture indicates from your quote, that mankind was made in the image of God. To abuse such Godly Creation is abominable.
but my dictionary informs......An animal in which the characteristics of both sexes are apparent, or combined., a flower that containd both the 'stamen' and the ' pistil. Including or being of both sexes.
This quote from my O.P
I find this quite disturbing as I look for an answer to the argument that homosexuality is on a par with the infidel rest.
I thank the lady 'tinks' for the scriptures........
Amen dear lady.
The scripture indicates from your quote, that mankind was made in the image of God. To abuse such Godly Creation is abominable.
God's intention of the genders is that those born males act like males and those born females act like females. But, in rare instances there are babies born with the sexual organs of both sexes. Why is this? First of all, sin is in the world and it sometimes takes its tolls on our bodies resulting in various deformities. Nevertheless, in the case of hermaphroditism, the identity of the individual is still intended by God to be one or the other. After all, God would not make someone in contradiction to His created order and purpose.
Second, it appears that most, if not all, hermaphrodites have a definite side they take as they develop since there is an internal genetic (XX, XY) dominance even though there is an external ambiguity.
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1Cor 6:8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Even being effeminate is a sin.
1Tim 1:8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
1Tim 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Tim 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
If you don't repent, God will eventually give you the mindset so that you can't repent.
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
Not only those who do these things are worthy of death, but even if you approve of others doing these things you are worthy of death.
So we are called haters, and told to "tolerate". We are told we should 'love'. The Bible says we should love the person, not the sin.
It also says we shouldn't always tolerate everything.
In fact we will be rewarded fot NOT tolerating certain things.
Rev 2:2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
Rev 2:20 'But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Deu 22:5 "A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.
Cross dressing is a sin.
Trying to look like a woman (or man, if you are female) is a sin.
1Cor 11:14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him,
1Cor 11:15 but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Even being effeminate is a sin.
1Tim 1:8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
1Tim 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Tim 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
If you don't repent, God will eventually give you the mindset so that you can't repent.
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
Not only those who do these things are worthy of death, but even if you approve of others doing these things you are worthy of death.
So we are called haters, and told to "tolerate". We are told we should 'love'. The Bible says we should love the person, not the sin.
It also says we shouldn't always tolerate everything.
In fact we will be rewarded fot NOT tolerating certain things.
Rev 2:2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
Rev 2:20 'But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Deu 22:5 "A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.
Cross dressing is a sin.
Trying to look like a woman (or man, if you are female) is a sin.
1Cor 11:14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him,
1Cor 11:15 but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Homosexuality is a deed of the flesh.
Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as
I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as
I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
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Homosexuality was an OT law that has nothing to do with Christians.
If you choose to follow that law would you also be alright with not eating Pork/bacon which is an unclean food? Intermarriage? Shaving? (Leviticus 19:27)Are you against Tattoos?
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Cherry picking.
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So alisonangel is homosexuality an acceptable behavior for a Christian?
If it doesn't matter, then it begs to questions, what behavior does and are there any which are sinful?
I ask this because by looking at your responses to others, that you perceive it as something that "has nothing to do with Christians".
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Homosexuality is an OT law. Do you follow any OT laws?
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LOL nice way to avoid answering the question..then divert it to asking me a question So I repeat "Is homosexuality an acceptable behavior for a Christian?" Yes or No will suffice :thumbs_up
Here's a question in regards to the law. Do you believe that Jesus followed OT law? Keep in mind that OT Law is not as simple as saying "OT Law". Much was added by the Priest Hood when they moved away from walking with God, to benefit themselves and their coffers. To answer part of your question I see nothing wrong in the commandments in Exodus 20. In fact I don't believe that any Christian should have a problem with them. However, we're not talking old OT in it's entirety as some others have quoted NT Scripture also deals with this subject.
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For your question - it is just a sexual orientation.
If you are not taking all of the OT law then you are cherry picking,in taking homosexuality!(Which is not in the Ten Commandments)
Do you believe Cross dressing is wrong?
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Still don't want to say yes do you ally
I never said that it was covered in the 10 Commandments.
I'm getting the impression that if it's possible for you to show just one unjust OT Law that it somehow negates them all, even if they're covered in the NT. Is it just moral behavior as defined in scripture that seems to upset you, or just people who use certain parts of scripture as an excuse to not show the Love of Christ to all (Forgiven/Unforgiven Sinners)?
Did you answer the part about Jesus following OT Commandments? Hummmmmmm
On to your question to me: Within the context of what is defined as being clothing identified specifically for a man verses a woman within a society....then yes crossing dressing is wrong. That's why the deceit in this world is great. A great effort is being made in this world to get rid of what makes us uniquely made of God (Man/Woman). That's why a couple up in Canada dresses their child in both clothing so as to allow the child to define it's own sexuality. Sad, commentary, and one I'm curious if you're supportive of?
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So I guess "do not murder" is also a law we should not follow too? Great.
Homosexuality is wrong. Read the NT before you speak, wrongly misrepresenting GOD's Word.
Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God.
And finally.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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Cherry picking....not. There are classes of sins in the Law, some requiring death of the sinners, "their blood being upon them". (Be aware some of the Law was approved to be carried over to Christians in Acts 15.) Other sins called for lesser punishments, setting up the classes of laws. Sexual perversions are clearly identified by God as a very special class, often labelled abominations. Abominations were what the inhabitants of Caanan were doing when Israel went into the land. The sentence upon the former citizens was defeat and death, losing their land. God warned Israel not to copy such behavior else they too be removed. The Canaanites didn't have the Law of Moses to warn them, but Israel did, yet they failed. For the Canaanites those points of human behavior were in fact demanded by God without those people knowing what Moses said. Today, some say none of those commandments matter, or that ignorance of them is bliss. Not so. Nations have fallen, and will fall again, over such affronts before holy God. Whether anyone likes to skip along doing perversions while proudly claiming they have no expectations from God over them, or the sinner is indeed simply ignorant of expectations of God, or one is an expert on the Law yet remains amoral, the nation that winks at that will suffer loss of blessings.
Paul repeatedly taught that the Law is good, even though abolished concerning requirement for receiving righteousness. It still serves useful purposes that lend us wisdom for living a healthy honest life. It teaches us what sin is. From it we learn how God thinks about certain behaviors. He hasn't changed His mind about any of those opinions. The laws that don't carry a death curse might indeed have applied long ago to preserve the ancient Hebrew culture for a specific period, but sexual perversion was not and is not behavior that invites God to allow blessings over individuals and nations that tolerate aberrant behavior.
The New Testament does in fact revive significant issues warned against in the Law. Those in particular ought to be esteemed more highly by Christians than perhaps the old commandment that requires first born Jewish males to attend worship in Jerusalem. It is wisdom to sort the old commandments properly, paying attention to those that deal sternly with proper human behavior, while safely skimming past commandments of ordinances in the temple, for instance. If you don't plan to borrow a neighbor's ox then let it die, then you have no worry about having to replace it. But in reading that, you do learn right behavior. If it happens to you, replacing that ox still won't get you to Heaven.
Paul was right. Focusing on keeping every item of the Mosaic Law can't possibly earn eternal salvation. The focus is on Jesus.
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Paul repeatedly taught that the Law is good, even though abolished concerning requirement for receiving righteousness. It still serves useful purposes that lend us wisdom for living a healthy honest life. It teaches us what sin is. From it we learn how God thinks about certain behaviors. He hasn't changed His mind about any of those opinions. The laws that don't carry a death curse might indeed have applied long ago to preserve the ancient Hebrew culture for a specific period, but sexual perversion was not and is not behavior that invites God to allow blessings over individuals and nations that tolerate aberrant behavior.
The New Testament does in fact revive significant issues warned against in the Law. Those in particular ought to be esteemed more highly by Christians than perhaps the old commandment that requires first born Jewish males to attend worship in Jerusalem. It is wisdom to sort the old commandments properly, paying attention to those that deal sternly with proper human behavior, while safely skimming past commandments of ordinances in the temple, for instance. If you don't plan to borrow a neighbor's ox then let it die, then you have no worry about having to replace it. But in reading that, you do learn right behavior. If it happens to you, replacing that ox still won't get you to Heaven.
Paul was right. Focusing on keeping every item of the Mosaic Law can't possibly earn eternal salvation. The focus is on Jesus.
Jim
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How can you argue with this,when it comes to collateral damage the heterosexuals take the prize.
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