Is Homosexuality Abomible?

[alisonangel]

If you will study you will find that christians are refered to as saints. A born again jew is a saint. I do not imply Paul was wrong...yes they were his kinsmen, yes they were jews and yes they were saints BECAUSE they were born again

Many things were always sin....stealing, murder, lust, fornication, sodomy and so on

If you do not know what born again is, the rest of this is mote

[h=3]John 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

So now your post implies that Romans was not written for Christians.

What part of the law do you follow and which part do you not follow?

 

[revbrad]

alisonangel......you seem to be looking for an argument, not truth.

I will not go back and forth over foolish questions.

If you have serious questions, and are seriously searching I would love to try to help.

You did not answer my question about being born again so I am unsure of the condition of your soul, however I will be praying for you.

If you are sincere and seeking answers, the Holy Spirit can be your teacher.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things......

 

[alisonangel]

alisonangel......you seem to be looking for an argument, not truth.

I will not go back and forth over foolish questions.

If you have serious questions, and are seriously searching I would love to try to help.

You did not answer my question about being born again so I am unsure of the condition of your soul, however I will be praying for you.

If you are sincere and seeking answers, the Holy Spirit can be your teacher.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things......

Well this is a forum?
Do people have discussion?

What about being born again?

 

[revbrad]

Well this is a forum?
Do people have discussion?

What about being born again?

I would love to DISCUSS with you if you really want truth

As for being born again....

[h=3]John 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

study and meditate on this scripture......ask the Holy Spirit to speak to you

I will be away from the computer untill tomorrow but will be praying for you
If you want I would then like to DISCUSS anything you want
But I will not go back and forth over things just for the sake of doing it

 

[Dovegiven]

Alisonangel, God certainly can love someone, yet let them choose the same destiny Lucifer chose, named Satan later, the Devil. Do you suppose God didn't love Lucifer, that magnificent archangel who fell? I suppose Hell will be filled with people, angels, and other beings God loved, but they didn't love God.

It is vital for every Christian to accept that each of us must be higher than what Moses called the Hebrews to. Jesus is the one that demands that. Not one Christian is allowed to live below or even equal to the Law of Moses. Matthew 5:[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall
in no case
enter into the kingdom of heaven.

IOW, there is no excuse for any Christian writing off what God has commanded at any time in history. Of course, some things God commanded applied to specific causes in specific periods, sometimes applying to just one earth day, but the moral commandments cannot be broken, teach people any Mosaic moral coded sin is OK, then inherit eternal blessing.
Jim

 

[Strypes]

I read this on facebook the other day...

Being an atheist is okay.
Being an atheist and shaming religions and spirituality as silly and not real is not okay.

Being a Christian is okay.
Being homophobic, misogynistic, racist, or otherwise hateful person in the name of Christianity is not okay.

Being a reindeer is okay.
Bullying and excluding another reindeer because he has a shiny red nose is not okay.

Christians are all sinners saved by the grace of God. If you have broken even one of God's laws you are guilty, period. Thank God for His grace and mercy! Thank God that His plan prevailed and Jesus took the sins of the world upon Himself so that by His grace we can be declared righteous!

Eat pork.. don't eat pork.. like tattoos .. dislike tattoos.. wash your hands before you eat or not.. those things are not the issue (though eating pork / getting tattooed / and not washing your hands can and do cause "consequences")

The issue is Christ.

If someone is born of the Spirit of God (John chapter 3) then they have become a new creation. They have the assurance of salvation and are on the journey to become more and more like Jesus. Everyday has it's challenges and as we learn to trust God and obey Him, we become more loving and the cares of this world fade. Loving God above all and loving each other is the goal.

Calling right, wrong and wrong, right is a sign of the times. Our culture has pushed us to accept that what God declared wrong (fornication in all its forms) to be "cool" and Biblical values to be "old fashioned".

The choice is ours, do we give in to the pressures to conform to the world or do we seek to love God by obeying His instructions?


The "homosexual debate" is a ruse to cause discord and arguments. The Bible is clear as crystal on it, it is sin.

For those that find themselves attracted to their same sex, Jesus loves you and gave His life to save you too. Honor Him by remaining celibate. Just because you have an attraction doesn't mean you have to act on it.

To those that would condemn folks with issues, remember that you too are a sinner saved by grace. Be kind and speak truth in love.

 

[alisonangel]

Alisonangel, God certainly can love someone, yet let them choose the same destiny Lucifer chose, named Satan later, the Devil. Do you suppose God didn't love Lucifer, that magnificent archangel who fell? I suppose Hell will be filled with people, angels, and other beings God loved, but they didn't love God.

It is vital for every Christian to accept that each of us must be higher than what Moses called the Hebrews to. Jesus is the one that demands that. Not one Christian is allowed to live below or even equal to the Law of Moses. Matthew 5:[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall
in no case
enter into the kingdom of heaven.

IOW, there is no excuse for any Christian writing off what God has commanded at any time in history. Of course, some things God commanded applied to specific causes in specific periods, sometimes applying to just one earth day, but the moral commandments cannot be broken, teach people any Mosaic moral coded sin is OK, then inherit eternal blessing.
Jim

Do you think homosexuals are immoral?

 

[alisonangel]

I read this on facebook the other day...



Christians are all sinners saved by the grace of God. If you have broken even one of God's laws you are guilty, period. Thank God for His grace and mercy! Thank God that His plan prevailed and Jesus took the sins of the world upon Himself so that by His grace we can be declared righteous!

Eat pork.. don't eat pork.. like tattoos .. dislike tattoos.. wash your hands before you eat or not.. those things are not the issue (though eating pork / getting tattooed / and not washing your hands can and do cause "consequences")

The issue is Christ.

If someone is born of the Spirit of God (John chapter 3) then they have become a new creation. They have the assurance of salvation and are on the journey to become more and more like Jesus. Everyday has it's challenges and as we learn to trust God and obey Him, we become more loving and the cares of this world fade. Loving God above all and loving each other is the goal.

Calling right, wrong and wrong, right is a sign of the times. Our culture has pushed us to accept that what God declared wrong (fornication in all its forms) to be "cool" and Biblical values to be "old fashioned".

The choice is ours, do we give in to the pressures to conform to the world or do we seek to love God by obeying His instructions?


The "homosexual debate" is a ruse to cause discord and arguments. The Bible is clear as crystal on it, it is sin.

For those that find themselves attracted to their same sex, Jesus loves you and gave His life to save you too. Honor Him by remaining celibate. Just because you have an attraction doesn't mean you have to act on it.

To those that would condemn folks with issues, remember that you too are a sinner saved by grace. Be kind and speak truth in love.

Why is it a sin?

If Jesus love Lesbians and homosexuality then why does it say''the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God''?

 

[Strypes]

Why is it a sin?

If Jesus love Lesbians and homosexuality then why does it say''the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God''?

"Why is it a sin?" because God said so. His opinion is the only one that matters.

As for your second question, Jesus died and rose again so that we can be DECLARED righteous. Our own righteousness is like nasty rags (think menstrual pads), Jesus took on our sin so that we can have HIS righteousness.

 

[Strypes]

Alisonangel,

I am curious, are you bornagain? Because that is what makes the difference.

 

[alisonangel]

"Why is it a sin?" because God said so. His opinion is the only one that matters.

As for your second question, Jesus died and rose again so that we can be DECLARED righteous. Our own righteousness is like nasty rags (think menstrual pads), Jesus took on our sin so that we can have HIS righteousness.

...But it is just a sexual orientation...is there a reason why it is a sin? ( beside ''because God said so'')

I'm a little confused with your answer for the second question,can you please explain more?

 

[alisonangel]

Alisonangel,

I am curious, are you bornagain? Because that is what makes the difference.

Wait are you trying to imply that if you are not born again you would have no understanding of Scripture?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Christ4ever,

Homosexuality is just a sexual orientation! What don't you understand about that?
You cannot include Lesbians in homosexuality in the Bible as it deals with men!
You are making a very poor assumption by placing women in the same category as men!
It also speaks about what YOU personally believe!
Do you believe a homosexual cannot be a Christian?




Cross dressing in the OT had nothing to do with Christians!
Someone who is effeminate does not make them a cross dresser...
Do you believe a Cross dresser cannot be a Christian?



Do you believe intermarriage is wrong? or tattoos? or eating Pork/bacon?

You sure have opened a hornets nest with your replies

I notice your replies to me are not unique

You'll answer the questions that you feel you have the upper hand on, ignore the ones that you don't, and remain obstinate on the ones that that don't fall into the other two categories!
LOL

The jest of what I can see, from you is that you believe that love excuses all sin. Being a parent has opened my eyes to see that love still doesn't excuse sinful actions. There is a punishment to be had for all ones actions which are sinful. Unless you believe otherwise? (Question there :wink

That being the case, it would have to be the standard by which we determine what sin is that needs to be answered or better yet the source to help us determine what it is needs to be identified. For those whose trust is in Christ Jesus, then it must be scripture. For it is by hearing the word of God, we receive faith. Romans 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

We must first know (hearing), in order to receive the faith to believe.

Even in understanding the awesomeness that is "Love". 1 Corinthians 13 speaks in the KJV of Charity, the NIV of Love. That all else should take a back seat to charity/love. One must still take this in the entirety of scripture. One can not disregard the corrupting nature of sin. If we do, then we minimize the sacrifice of our Lord Christ Jesus on the Cross. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Yet God in His great mercy and love........John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This shows that love not only provides forgiveness but is most of all sacrificial. Once you've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. You begin a new life which you sacrifice your own perceived pleasures, desires, of the flesh, placing them under submission, so that you may start to be the Holy Child of God you are meant to be. Which is part of the growth process we as believers go through and try mightily to overcome, daily! Many here will tell you that it's very difficult, and I'm sure you've faced this yourself. We have to keep in mind that we are called to be Holy. 1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Do you think honestly that even though He loves us that any of our sinful behavior is looked upon by Him as an example of Holiness? As a Christian one should want to do what is pleasing to Him, and with the help of the Holy Spirit we can move forward in getting rid of sin behavior that currently resides in our lives. We fail, once, twice, three times, we keep getting up. Pick that Cross up.

To be honest Allie it is easier to excuse or justify sinful behavior then it is to confront it head on. Most especially when the sin resides in ones self. Be that sin homosexuality, lesbianism, adultery, fornication, thievery, liar, etc. The difficulty is that for some odd reason, we equate the sin with the person, and so if we love the person, we must also love the sin. This holds no logic, so something must change. If we can't change the person (And we can't.), then me must redefine what is considered sin. This allows us to justify an acceptance of what God finds sinful. OT reflects a lot of this. That is why Israeli was punished. Ah, I forgot NT only

Realize, I have no problem with the person. I've known, worked with people in the past and present who are gay. My actions towards them has not changed and I threat them no differently then I would an adultery, liar etc. by continuing to love them, pray for them, yet not compromise what behavior God has called sinful. Because I find their behavior sinful, should I threat them differently? I keep in mind that Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Thank-you Holy Father God for you mercy and love towards me. I ask you Allie, if I were an unrepentant sinner, do you think I'd still be forgiven and be going to heaven? Any answer but no to that question leads not towards God but away from Him.

I hope I've answered your questions. I still await your response to my previous ones, and possible some of the new ones.

C4E
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


P.S. I didn't answer the questions that others answered for me! Now I'm off to bed!!! Work calls early tomorrow :-(

 

[Strypes]

If you are not born again of the Holy Spirit of God, You do not have Jesus' righteousness.

Sin, by definition, is rebellion against God. God is the one that set the standard and according to God, all fornication is sin.

1 Peter 2:24 ESV
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."

Luke 24:45 ESV
Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

John 14:26 ESV
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.


Without the Holy Spirit, The Bible is just a book.

 

[Strypes]

...But it is just a sexual orientation...is there a reason why it is a sin? ( beside ''because God said so'')

I'm a little confused with your answer for the second question,can you please explain more?

Quote Originally Posted by Strypes

"Why is it a sin?" because God said so. His opinion is the only one that matters.

As for your second question, Jesus died and rose again so that we can be DECLARED righteous. Our own righteousness is like nasty rags (think menstrual pads), Jesus took on our sin so that we can have HIS righteousness.

Romans chapter three ..

" 10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." 13 "Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips." 14 "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness." 15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 in their paths are ruin and misery, 17 and the way of peace they have not known." 18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes." 19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it-- 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

 

[Strypes]

This passage from 2 Corinthians chapter 5 may help you understand.

"2 Corinthians 5:. 14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. 16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

[Dovegiven]

Alisonangel asked me "Do you think homosexuals are immoral?"

They are until they repent successfully. That isn't only while performing an immoral act, but according to Jesus mental lusting is equal to carrying out a lustful act. Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

That doesn't mean merely seeing a woman is a sin. It's using the imagination to conjure up an act whether actually committed or not.

I believe what the Bible states about this class of humans the Bible calls "dogs", anyone that has habits commonly seen among 4-legged dogs in the streets. On my way home from work in California I was stopped in traffic to allow a "gay pride" parade pass by where the parade was ending at a parking lot. What I saw happen on the floats polluted my memory. Those sights made it easy for me to be totally intolerant of that behavior, and realize how much more God is revolted over it. He utterly destroyed two cities because of that behavior (Gen 19), over 400 years before Moses delivered the Law. The behavior has always been an abomination before God and most humans throughout history in probably every nation.
Jim

 

[amadeus2]

...But it is just a sexual orientation...is there a reason why it is a sin? ( beside ''because God said so'')

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever" I John 2:16-17

Some have an, as you call it, orientation, toward this or toward that but such unrestricted orientations will result in what? Does not following these orientations (lust of eyes, lust of flesh, pride of life) cause further movement into the things "of the world" which will pass away in the end of the matter? If those things become what we primarily pursue or condone, instead of "the will of God", then will we not also "pass away" instead of abiding forever?

 

[B-A-C]

True,
Some have a tendency to lie, some a tendency to steal, some a tendency to do drugs or drink.
Just because you have an"orientation" to do something doesn't make it right.

Are homosexuals immoral?
Not all of them, some are people who recognize it as a sin and are struggling with it and want to change.
Others are people who ignore the Bible and just choose to live their life in defiance of God and the Bible.

Some on here say we Gentiles aren't under Jewish law,I disagree, but even if we aren't, here is something to consider.

Rom 2:11 God does not play favorites.
Rom 2:12 Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them.
Rom 2:13 People who merely listen to laws from God don't have God's approval. Rather, people who do what those laws demand will have God's approval.
(God's Word Translation)

Rom 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.
Rom 2:12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13 For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in His sight.
Rom 2:14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know His law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
(New Living Translation)

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
(King James)

 

[alisonangel]

If you are not born again of the Holy Spirit of God, You do not have Jesus' righteousness.

Sin, by definition, is rebellion against God. God is the one that set the standard and according to God, all fornication is sin.

1 Peter 2:24 ESV
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."

Luke 24:45 ESV
Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

John 14:26 ESV
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.


Without the Holy Spirit, The Bible is just a book.

So you have to be born again to understand the Bible?