Is Homosexuality Abomible?

[B-A-C]

Homosexuality was an OT law that has nothing to do with Christians.

If you choose to follow that law would you also be alright with not eating Pork/bacon which is an unclean food? Intermarriage? Shaving? (Leviticus 19:27)Are you against Tattoos?

1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Even being effeminate is a sin.

1Tim 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Tim 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
1Tim 1:11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Rom 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

None of those verses are in the Old Testament.
Whenever God does make a change in the Law, he clearly spells it out.
As for why bacon isn't an unclean food anymore. See Acts 10:10-15;
Rom 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
Rom 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

 

[alisonangel]

Chad,

It is an OT law repeated in the NT...do you follow any OT laws?

 

[alisonangel]

Christ4ever,

Whats wrong with homosexuality? it is just a sexual orientation! There is nothing about Lesbians...

Cross dressing, nothing mentioned in the NT.. I guess it is just your PERSONAL opinion....

Jesus follow OT Commandments? Is this a trick question?

 

[alisonangel]

1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Even being effeminate is a sin.

1Tim 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
1Tim 1:10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
1Tim 1:11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Rom 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

None of those verses are in the Old Testament.
Whenever God does make a change in the Law, he clearly spells it out.
As for why bacon isn't an unclean food anymore. See Acts 10:10-15;
Rom 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
Rom 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 1:7:To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 9:3:For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Romans 9:4:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

The law in the OT was given to Israelites in the OT...

Paul is writing to them,repeating one of their laws....

 

[Christ4Ever]

Christ4ever,

Whats wrong with homosexuality? it is just a sexual orientation! There is nothing about Lesbians...

Cross dressing, nothing mentioned in the NT.. I guess it is just your PERSONAL opinion....

Jesus follow OT Commandments? Is this a trick question?

Who has stated that homosexuality is just "sexual orientation"? Man of cause. There are behaviors that man practices which are not something a Child of God should find acceptable, especially if God has shown that it is not something which He desires for us (You can include lesbians as well in this.) You are of the belief that unless it is covered specifically in the NT it is not a valid position to hold regardless of what the OT says. Next when it is covered in the NT, you rather go along with a man made contrivance of "sexual orientation" as if that makes your point. It does not.

You want it both ways, but you really need to do is God's way. Your way, or my way, or any other man/woman's way outside of God only leads to destruction. Am I the arbiter of what is right and wrong for us to do? No. Yet neither is any man outside of God, because without Him, our decision making is faulty at best. Christ showed this at almost every turn, that it was not what we deemed as being right, was important, but God's will. How do we know His will for us? The foundation of this is Scripture, which leads me to the next question. Do you believe in the inerrancy of scripture?


Now to deal with cross dressing. I noticed you mentioned "NT" instead of just scripture You already know that OT speaks of this. Let's see....Look at 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate...." do you think that a man dressed as a woman would fit into the category of effeminate? Yet this nor the other immoral behavior, are reasons for us to not show the love of Christ to them who are in sin. Does this mean we should accept sin as being acceptable? I hope you don't believe this to be the case? :wink:

God set standards by which we should govern our behavior. If we are to be called Children of God, then we should be examples of that love. An example for others to follow. Just as with the woman who was brought before Him, for adultery. He did not condemn her, but did tell her to sin no more. Christians have difficulty moving between what the world deems acceptable verses what God says should be acceptable.

Keep in mind Ally, that not every perversion know to man, needs to be written of in the NT for us to know that it's not an acceptable practice. I need not outline them for you, I'm sure you can name a few.
So don't struggle the perceived injustice of those we do know are sinning according to scripture, because the day will come and I believe has arrived where good will be seen as evil, and evil as good. If you as a Christian don't standup for righteousness in this dark world and can tell them that all have sinned who will?

No asking you about Jesus following the OT Commandments was not a trick question. It speaks to what you believe Jesus Christ to be according to scripture.
C4E
Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[B-A-C]

Romans 1:7:To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 9:3:For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Romans 9:4:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

The law in the OT was given to Israelites in the OT...

Paul is writing to them,repeating one of their laws....

I am curious, are there any laws that still apply? Or is there no such thing as sin anymore?
If we can still sin, what determines what is in and what isn't?
If it is the Bible, can you give an example of a law (sin) that is still applicable today?

 

[alisonangel]

I am curious, are there any laws that still apply? Or is there no such thing as sin anymore?
If we can still sin, what determines what is in and what isn't?
If it is the Bible, can you give an example of a law (sin) that is still applicable today?

Any laws that still apply?

How can they apply if they were never given to Christians?

 

[alisonangel]

Christ4ever,

Homosexuality is just a sexual orientation! What don't you understand about that?
You cannot include Lesbians in homosexuality in the Bible as it deals with men!
You are making a very poor assumption by placing women in the same category as men!
It also speaks about what YOU personally believe!
Do you believe a homosexual cannot be a Christian?




Cross dressing in the OT had nothing to do with Christians!
Someone who is effeminate does not make them a cross dresser...
Do you believe a Cross dresser cannot be a Christian?



Do you believe intermarriage is wrong? or tattoos? or eating Pork/bacon?

 

[B-A-C]

Any laws that still apply?

How can they apply if they were never given to Christians?

So in other words, no one can sin?

 

[Chad]

Christ4ever,

Homosexuality is just a sexual orientation! What don't you understand about that?
You cannot include Lesbians in homosexuality in the Bible as it deals with men!
You are making a very poor assumption by placing women in the same category as men!
It also speaks about what YOU personally believe!
Do you believe a homosexual cannot be a Christian?




Cross dressing in the OT had nothing to do with Christians!
Someone who is effeminate does not make them a cross dresser...
Do you believe a Cross dresser cannot be a Christian?



Do you believe intermarriage is wrong? or tattoos? or eating Pork/bacon?

Based on your numerous exclamatory marks, you seem to lack peace and patience in your responses. Agitated a bit?

You've made several false statements about the bible, greatly misinterpreting them. Do you think your right and everyone
else is wrong? So lesbians is just an orientation and being homosexual is what is spoken about in the Bible, but not
lesbianism? That's very ignorant to say, especially after numerous Scriptures has been posted proving that any form
of "gay" life style is abominable and not pure in GOD's eyes.

Let's settle this once and for all with Scripture

Romans 1:26-27

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

*

End of discussion.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I am curious, are there any laws that still apply? Or is there no such thing as sin anymore?
If we can still sin, what determines what is in and what isn't?

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

The Gentiles were never required by God to follow the laws of the Hebrews.
Gentiles are under the covenant of the rainbow or Noah's covenant until they come into Christ.In Christ we are all one.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sin=missing the mark
If anything that is "not faith" is sin then faith must be the mark that we were missing.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Christ4ever,

Homosexuality is just a sexual orientation! What don't you understand about that?
You cannot include Lesbians in homosexuality in the Bible as it deals with men!
You are making a very poor assumption by placing women in the same category as men!
It also speaks about what YOU personally believe!
Do you believe a homosexual cannot be a Christian?




Cross dressing in the OT had nothing to do with Christians!
Someone who is effeminate does not make them a cross dresser...
Do you believe a Cross dresser cannot be a Christian?



Do you believe intermarriage is wrong? or tattoos? or eating Pork/bacon?

It seems you're getting a bit angry with me
Gosh, it wasn't for the fact that I'm heading off to work, I'd be typing a rejoinder which might take a while. Especially since I would also be praying for clarity of words.

Chad answered the one on women so I guess I don't have to answer that one. Kind of says it all. I do hope that you do take the time to answer the ones I've posed to you as well.

Take care of yourself talk later.
Duty calls! :thumbs_up
C4E

 

[revbrad]

Homosexuality was an OT law that has nothing to do with Christians.

If you choose to follow that law would you also be alright with not eating Pork/bacon which is an unclean food? Intermarriage? Shaving? (Leviticus 19:27)Are you against Tattoos?

Check the New Testament scriptures quoted throughout this discussion

 

[B-A-C]

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

The Gentiles were never required by God to follow the laws of the Hebrews.
Gentiles are under the covenant of the rainbow or Noah's covenant until they come into Christ.In Christ we are all one.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sin=missing the mark
If anything that is "not faith" is sin then faith must be the mark that we were missing.

Unbelief in what? Is unbelief in Jesus the only sin we can commit? There are no other sins?

 

[Chad]

Homosexuality is just a sexual orientation! What don't you understand about that?

If your right, give me Scriptural proof. Since you claimed that "lesbianism" is not in the bible, and I proved you 100% wrong in my last post using Scripture - you should prove your point with Scripture as well.

 

[Dovegiven]

Any laws that still apply?
How can they apply if they were never given to Christians?
Check out Acts 15:[28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [29] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The issue at the council of apostles was a challenge concerning how much Mosaic Law should be expected of Gentiles entering the faith. Fornication (Gr porneia) is a very general word covering all sexual sins described in the word of God. Even a married couple can do things that fall into that term, which includes incest, harlotry, any defilement of the marriage bed.

Is that the entire list of Moses that applies to non-Jews? No. Jesus revealed to John this: Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The Mosaic Law prohibits, makes sin, all of those. The apostles made it clear in their writings that anyone that practices what was labelled as a sin, does it regularly without repentance, is regarded by God as still bound to the Law of Sin and Death. Although the Law was given to the Hebrews, the moral code within it stood as God's standard and applied to the pagans as well whether they accepted that or not. All sinners will be judged by that law since it is the established standard of morality for all humans. I think a problem some folks have with Moses are ordinances and other commandments imposed on the Hebrews to set them apart as a distinct group not like the Gentiles. Not shaving a beard was not given to identify a sin God will judge by, for instance. Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. With the rise of the rabbis long after that was given came the interpretation not to shave the beard off with a razor. The context of that passage has to do with prohibitions against identifying with idolaters who commonly shaped their beards so as to identify themselves with certain idols. Their pagan women did the same with their hair, shaping it into images of idols. In any case, Moses never commanded not to shave a facial beard with a razor. My point is that misapplication of such details often leads people to mix up issues to the point of accepting gross sin as something God won't judge.
Jim

 

[alisonangel]

Chad,

When did I make ''false statements about the bible''?
Lesbians is just a sexual orientation.
You claim I am ignorant?
Do you believe intermarriage is wrong?

How is it unnatural?

Read up on homosexual behavior in animals (Wikipedia)

'' homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species''

If anyone was unnatural it would be humans!

The verse you quoted does not imply Lesbianism...just your assumption....

 

[alisonangel]

Check the New Testament scriptures quoted throughout this discussion

Do you believe intermarriage is wrong? Pork/Bacon? Tattoos?

 

[alisonangel]

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

The Gentiles were never required by God to follow the laws of the Hebrews.
Gentiles are under the covenant of the rainbow or Noah's covenant until they come into Christ.In Christ we are all one.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sin=missing the mark
If anything that is "not faith" is sin then faith must be the mark that we were missing.

''there is neither male nor female''?

If there is no male or female then homosexuality is OK?

 

[revbrad]

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

[h=3]Galatians 3:23-25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Heb. 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

You seem to be basing everything on the laws God gave to Isreal. After Christ we are under grace, not the law. There are specific things in the New Testament we are told are sin. As for the rest, if you are a true, born again child of God the Holy Spirit will guide you.