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Is Homosexuality Abomible?

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"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever" I John 2:16-17

Some have an, as you call it, orientation, toward this or toward that but such unrestricted orientations will result in what? Does not following these orientations (lust of eyes, lust of flesh, pride of life) cause further movement into the things "of the world" which will pass away in the end of the matter? If those things become what we primarily pursue or condone, instead of "the will of God", then will we not also "pass away" instead of abiding forever?

1 John 2:16:For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:17:And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Those verses that you posted say that everything is a sin!

Going to the bathroom? A sin! because it is a ''lust of the flesh''
Getting married? A sin! ''lust of the flesh''
Eating,drinking? Again,a ''lust of the flesh''
Sleeping? That is a ''lust of the flesh''
Going to Church? a ''lust of the flesh''

I think it would go on and on....
 
Alisonangel asked me "Do you think homosexuals are immoral?"

They are until they repent successfully. That isn't only while performing an immoral act, but according to Jesus mental lusting is equal to carrying out a lustful act. Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

That doesn't mean merely seeing a woman is a sin. It's using the imagination to conjure up an act whether actually committed or not.

I believe what the Bible states about this class of humans the Bible calls "dogs", anyone that has habits commonly seen among 4-legged dogs in the streets. On my way home from work in California I was stopped in traffic to allow a "gay pride" parade pass by where the parade was ending at a parking lot. What I saw happen on the floats polluted my memory. Those sights made it easy for me to be totally intolerant of that behavior, and realize how much more God is revolted over it. He utterly destroyed two cities because of that behavior (Gen 19), over 400 years before Moses delivered the Law. The behavior has always been an abomination before God and most humans throughout history in probably every nation.
Jim



The topic of homosexuality really brings out the best in Christians...(Sarcastic)
 
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True,
Some have a tendency to lie, some a tendency to steal, some a tendency to do drugs or drink.
Just because you have an"orientation" to do something doesn't make it right.

Are homosexuals immoral?
Not all of them, some are people who recognize it as a sin and are struggling with it and want to change.
Others are people who ignore the Bible and just choose to live their life in defiance of God and the Bible.

Some on here say we Gentiles aren't under Jewish law,I disagree, but even if we aren't, here is something to consider.

Rom 2:11 God does not play favorites.
Rom 2:12 Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them.
Rom 2:13 People who merely listen to laws from God don't have God's approval. Rather, people who do what those laws demand will have God's approval.
(God's Word Translation)

Rom 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.
Rom 2:12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13 For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in His sight.
Rom 2:14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know His law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
(New Living Translation)

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
(King James)

Do you believe that a homosexual can be a Christian?
 
Do you believe that a homosexual can be a Christian?

I provided (along with others) ample Scripture to prove that both homosexuality / lesbianism is forbidden and impure. Why ask
the same question again?

Are you a Christian Alison? If you are, why are you clearly advocating these things?
 
why reply to you?

Any post I do reply to you is not posted...

I think you simply want to have your say but not hear my replies!(Even though YOU ask question)
 
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why reply to you?

Any post I do reply to you is not posted...

I think you simply want to harass me but not hear my replies!

False assumption and bad attitude. Your replies do get posted, go check before you speak if you don't mind.

And accusing me of harassing you? This is my site, I've been operating it for 9 years to spread the Gospel. I responded to a majority of
your posts and provided proof (Scripture) to your questions and you have the audacity to accuse me of harassing you and not here your
replies?

Here's a suggestion: grow up.
 
Where are my replies to you?

I think at this point YOU have the bad attitude!

You should take up your own suggestion!
 
Goodbye Alison. I won't allow you to disrespect me or anyone else here in the community.

You've been extremely impatient and rude a handful of times here. Enough is enough.
 
As we here turn Allie to your hands Heavenly Father, I thank you for guiding me through all things despite my foolishness. I pray this for Allie as well. You know all our sorrowful ways, and yet, you continue to love us in spite of them. Father continue to touch her heart and ours that we might have right understanding of Your gracious love. Direct her steps, that she might one day give you all the honor, glory and praise. In the name of your Holy Son Christ Jesus I pray. Amen.
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1 John 2:16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Those verses that you posted say that everything is a sin!

Actually they do not. They say that those things are in the world. We are 'in the world" , but we are not "of the world" if we belong to Jesus (John chapter 17). When we follow the things that are "in the world" with us (as per the above verses) then is it that we sin.

An evil thought coming into our mind is NOT sin unless we hold onto it needlessly instead of opposing it and asking God to help us against it.


Going to the bathroom? A sin! because it is a ''lust of the flesh''

You need to understand the difference between lust and need.

Everything that is of the flesh is not automatically sin. A thing of the flesh becomes sin when it is pursued outside of what God recogizes as good. In the beginning all that God created was good.

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

Man was not given an evil heart, but rather the ability to disobey God and to change the use to which God wanted men to put His ood creations to... Man did that and died. Until Jesus came and brought Life to men, everyone has been dead in the eyes of God, but from the very first sin, there has always been Hope because Jesus was always in God's plan... even in the Old Testament.

Man lusts because since he, himself opened the door, that is his nature. Pursuing the lustful nature instead of God always results in sin. This is why as Paul put it:

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23

You also need to understand the difference between lust and sin.

The lust is that which is attractive to us outside of God's will. When we pursue it in our flesh or even in our then the lust brings forth sin.

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." James 1:14-15

This is why everyone is effectively dead in the eyes of God until and if the person is able to overcome those things that drawn him into sin. This is why a person needs to be born again.



Getting married? A sin! ''lust of the flesh''

The marriage itself is not sin, but there is certainly sin involved in the relationship of any man and any woman to the extent that they do not follow God's Way in every point. This is, of course, impossible for any person... alone!

Eating,drinking? Again,a ''lust of the flesh''

Gluttony is certainly a sin, but that is going beyond our need, isn't it?

Sleeping? That is a ''lust of the flesh''

Sleeping is a need, but people do probably often sleep when they should be doing other things.

Going to Church? a ''lust of the flesh''

Yes, even attending a church service can in certain circumstances be sinful. If our purpose is wrong nearly anything can be sin for us in the eyes of God.

I think it would go on and on....

Yes, you certainly could, but what does it mean when a person follows all of his own ways instead of being directly in God's Way.

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Prov 14:12

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

All of us need a Director and no carnal man qualifies. Every man born to woman, except one, has not been qualified to direct his own steps in a manner pleasing to God. This is why the only one who did qualify was sent.

Probably you have not understood much of what I have written here. To understand God's meaning in anything requires God's help.
 
As we here turn Allie to your hands Heavenly Father, I thank you for guiding me through all things despite my foolishness. I pray this for Allie as well. You know all our sorrowful ways, and yet, you continue to love us in spite of them. Father continue to touch her heart and ours that we might have right understanding of Your gracious love. Direct her steps, that she might one day give you all the honor, glory and praise. In the name of your Holy Son Christ Jesus I pray. Amen.
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Father, I too lift up alison to you. Speak to her heart I pray. Draw her unto you. Remove any evil that is influencing her untill she can make an informed decision concerning you. In Jesus holy name I ask. Amen
 
Something to Ponder

The saddest thing about this whole topic is that feathers are ruffled and opinions maligned due to ignorance. Sin is sin; there is no disparency at all yet some seem to take the high moral ground as though this sin is more abominable than others are.

The amusing part is when Gays are referred to as a different type of people, you have just set yourself up to fall. “Oh’ Yes I am so perfect and all knowing that I know better-Gays are gays, I love them non-the-less.” Guess what you have just categorised what Jesus came to dismantle. Pharisee, Pharisee I say.

Bless you…
 
The saddest thing about this whole topic is that feathers are ruffled and opinions maligned due to ignorance. Sin is sin; there is no disparency at all yet some seem to take the high moral ground as though this sin is more abominable than others are.

The amusing part is when Gays are referred to as a different type of people, you have just set yourself up to fall. “Oh’ Yes I am so perfect and all knowing that I know better-Gays are gays, I love them non-the-less.” Guess what you have just categorised what Jesus came to dismantle. Pharisee, Pharisee I say.

Bless you…

You are right.......may God help me not to be such a man
 
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