John 1:1- the CONTEXT and Christ!

[PloughBoy]

New King James Version
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

New American Standard Bible
No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.”

“For my Father is Greater Than I”

 

[Curtis]

I know what He said. I'm asking you how someone who is dead can raise themselves back to life?

anyone who has the power to lay down their life and also has the power to raise it back up can do anything they want.

Maybe you think when someone is "dead" they cease to exist? That is not the case. Death is when the spirit leaves the body, the body dies but the spirit is still alive.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[Butch5]

anyone who has the power to lay down their life and also has the power to raise it back up can do anything they want.

Maybe you think when someone is "dead" they cease to exist? That is not the case. Death is when the spirit leaves the body, the body dies but the spirit is still alive.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

That's interesting because Jesus said He could do nothing of Himself. He said it was the Father in Him who did the works. So, if He could do nothing how could He raise Himslef from the dead?

It's not the case that a person is dead when they are dead? Really, why then are they called the dead and not the living? You posted the passage from James, the body without the breath is dead. Yes, a body without breath is dead. God put the breath of life into man. When it leaves the man he dies, so, the body without the breath is dead.

You see, the Greek and Hebrew words that are translated spirit mean breath or wind. When they are translated spirit it is a figure of speech. Wind or breath are not living beings. So, they don't live on after man dies.

 

[QuestionIt]

John 17:4- I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. [Not 'Themsleves']
5- And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. [Not 'Themselves']

Pray tell- how do you read the 'Trinity' into THAT?

 

[Curtis]

That's interesting because Jesus said He could do nothing of Himself. He said it was the Father in Him who did the works. So, if He could do nothing how could He raise Himslef from the dead?

Jesus could do nothing on his own, neither can the Father do nothing on his own without his Son. Without Jesus Christ, nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3) God always works from the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit.

 

[PloughBoy]

anyone who has the power to lay down their life and also has the power to raise it back up can do anything they want.

Maybe you think when someone is "dead" they cease to exist? That is not the case. Death is when the spirit leaves the body, the body dies but the spirit is still alive.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

On the Third Day, He step Right back in it, the same way He step out of it. And when HE got up, He still had “Holes” in Him. He paid those “Holes” no mind, I notice one thing He Eat some fish, but He didn’t drink no wine, He might have “Leak” and maybe that is why He said at The Communion Table, about how He would drink no more until He drink it a new in His Kingdom.

I bet you never thought of that one.

“Remember thy Creator in the days of thy youth”

“cartoons”. “Cartoons”

“All things work together to those who love GOD and those who are called by GOD according to HIS purpose”.

Not somethings. “All Things”

“You must have The Faith of a little Child”. You got to become like this little child.

How about that Fruit.

 

[th1bill]

But the Scriptures don't indicate a triune God. That is an inference people draw from Scripture. If that's the case then one is placing their faith in an inference, not Scripture. The Scriptures tell us that "there is one God, the Father". Jesus said to the Father, 'this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God'. Jesus could have said, us the only true God, but, He didn't. He said the Father is the only true God. Thus He excluded Himself from the only true God.

That is just not true! Yashua was baptized, Ruah, the Holy Spirit descended upon Him and the Father proclaimed Him to be His Son. That is distinctly the entities.

 

[Butch5]

That is just not true! Yashua was baptized, Ruah, the Holy Spirit descended upon Him and the Father proclaimed Him to be His Son. That is distinctly the entities.

The Ruach is actually the Father. Jesus said that in John's Gospel. I beleive it was chapter 16 where He's talking about the helper. Towards the end of the chapter He says He's been speaking figuratively of the Father. I agree that the Father and Son are two distinct entities. That means they're no one entity.

 

[th1bill]

John 17:4- I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. [Not 'Themsleves']
5- And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. [Not 'Themselves']

Pray tell- how do you read the 'Trinity' into THAT?

Scripture is self defining and believe it or not it is a fact that it does define itself. This is a truth you seek to bypass and only a Fool will allow such an obvious lie. Further more, Scripture is one message from our Elohim with one message for billions of people. It is Intellectual Rape to tear any verse out of it's context and yet, that is what you are doing. No single verse can be clearly understood without the context of all Holy Scripture.

Further more, the scriptures were not written with chapter and verse as their format but are in the original format as one continuous format, like as they are letters to us from YHWH. The, man-made, chapter and verse division makes it easy for people to study and remember where they are, and that's a good thing. On the other hand this division also makes it easy to sell these verses as stand-alone literature and that is not true but is a bald faced lie.

 

[Curtis]

My name is Curtis and "I" am a "triune" being (made in the image of God), but I am only "one" person.

1Th 5:23 Now, may the God of peace and harmony set you apart, making you completely holy. And may your entire being—spirit, soul, and body—be kept completely flawless in the appearing of our Lord Jesus, the Anointed One. (TPT)

 

[Butch5]

My name is Curtis and "I" am a "triune" being (made in the image of God), but I am only "one" person.

1Th 5:23 Now, may the God of peace and harmony set you apart, making you completely holy. And may your entire being—spirit, soul, and body—be kept completely flawless in the appearing of our Lord Jesus, the Anointed One.

Read Genesis 2:7 to see what a soul is. You are not a Tribune being. You are a flesh being infused with the breath of God so that you live. You are flesh.

 

[Butch5]

Jesus could do nothing on his own, neither can the Father do nothing on his own without his Son. Without Jesus Christ, nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3) God always works from the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit.

Where do you find that the Father can do nothing on His own? Jesus said He could do nothing. How then could He raise himself from the dead?

 

[Curtis]

Read Genesis 2:7 to see what a soul is. You are not a Tribune being. You are a flesh being infused with the breath of God so that you live. You are flesh.

Sorry, you are wrong. Man is like his maker who is a "triune" being", "Spirit", "soul", and "body"!

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Curtis]

Where do you find that the Father can do nothing on His own?

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

How many things were created by Jesus Christ? ALL things! there is nothing that exists that was not made by Jesus Christ!

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

If Jesus created "ALL things" which he did, then God the Father could not create anything without Jesus Christ!

Without Jesus Christ nothing could, or would ever exist!

 

[Samson2020]

For me, when Jesus was in the garden of Gethsemane He prayed that the Father would remove the cup from Him. Then He went on to say nevertheless
"NOT MY WILL BUT THY WILL BE DONE" Does this infer according to trinity that His will would be the same as the Fathers? If so then why pray to His other aspect?
Secondly while in the garden Jesus took upon Him the sin of the world which caused Him to suffer the carnal mind, He was born without one but tasted it during his last day alive.
Now God is not at odds with Himself, but Jesus at that time, with the carnal mind, was at odds with Gods will. First time that had ever occurred in His life.
Jesus had rebuked Peter for suggesting that He not suffer and be crucified, then just a couple hours later was praying that the Father remove that cup from Him.
It proves 2 things.
1 Jesus tasted of the carnal mind that man has carried with him from birth to death for 6,000 yrs. This would make Him a better High Priest having suffered carnality.
2 God could never have a carnal mind and be at odds with Himself thus Jesus was/is not the only TRUE God.

Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose."

We know that what Jesus suffered was to our benefit, but it was also to His in that He was perfected by the things He suffered including carnality. And then became a
LIFE GIVING SPIRIT. 1 Co 15:45

Lastly, when God had asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, his ONLY SON, that was a tell in what God was eventually going to do. Sacrifice His ONLY Son, made of a woman, for ALL men.
Abraham represented God in that he was the Father of the one being sacrificed, not the one who was to be sacrificed. Isaac represented Jesus in that he was the son of the one
making the sacrifice unto God.
In short Abraham was not asked to sacrifice himself unto God, but something more dear to the man, his only son. The same applies to God, Jesus was more dear to God as He was/is
the only Son whom God ever had. So the sacrifice of His only Son meant more than sacrificing Himself as some would teach.

 

[Samson2020]

Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the creator of ALL things, had kept secret from the beginning. Gods purpose in all this
was to use the church to display His wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in heavenly places. This was His eternal plan, which He carried out through
Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Butch5]

Sorry, you are wrong. Man is like his maker who is a "triune" being", "Spirit", "soul", and "body"!

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Read the passage. God joined His breath (spirit) with the man He created from dust and those two together became a living soul. A living soul consists of the breath or spirit of God and the body created from dust. Body + God's breath = a living soul. The soul is not a third part of man, it's the combination of the other two. That is crystal clear in Gen 2:7. Soul is also used of life itself in the Bible. We are told in Scripture that God is breath. The Scriptures don't say God is, body, soul, and spirit.

 

[Butch5]

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

How many things were created by Jesus Christ? ALL things! there is nothing that exists that was not made by Jesus Christ!

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

If Jesus created "ALL things" which he did, then God the Father could not create anything without Jesus Christ!

Without Jesus Christ nothing could, or would ever exist!

You're simply making an assumption. How was Jesus begotten if the Father could do nothing Himself. You really should spend some time thinking through your beliefs. You're contradicting yourself left and right.

But, the question remains, how could Jesus raise Himself if He could do nothing?

 

[QuestionIt]

Jesus could do nothing on his own, neither can the Father do nothing on his own without his Son. Without Jesus Christ, nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3) God always works from the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit.

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That is just not true! Yashua was baptized, Ruah, the Holy Spirit descended upon Him and the Father proclaimed Him to be His Son. That is distinctly the entities.

3 Gods- or just a God with a (deleted)!

 

[QuestionIt]

John 17:6- I have revealed you to those whom You gave me out of the world. They were Yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed Your word.
7- Now they know that everything You have given me comes from you.
8- For I gave them the words You gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from You, and they believed that YOU sent me.


Unfortunately, Churchianity DOESN'T.
No 'They', but "YOU".
His God, Jehovah!