John 1:1- the CONTEXT and Christ!

[Samson2020]

No man could ever raise himself up from the "dead" unless that man was God!

However, Jesus was a MAN period, born under the LAW of Moses, that God could never be subject to Himself as it was only for man.
Num 23:19 God is not a MAN, that He should lie; neither the son of man that He should repent...............

So here we see God saying two things, He is not a man and He was not born of a woman ,(son of man), However Jesus was a man, and was born of a woman.
Jesus and His Father are not one and the same. If Jesus was God then Numbers 23:19 would be a lie and God cannot lie.

Second it was God that raised Jesus from the dead, not Jesus raising Himself. He laid down His life as a sacrifice and after God raised Him from the dead He resumed His life
but now never subject to death anymore. He didn't raise Himself.

Acts 13:35................Thou(God) shalt not suffer thine Holy One(Jesus) to see corruption.

1 Peter 1:21 "Who by Him(Jesus) do believe in God, who raised Him(Jesus) from the dead, and GAVE Him(Jesus) glory; that your faith and hope might be in God."

If we were to put your claim into the above scripture then there is no Jesus other than in name, as God would have died and not His Son, and God would have raised Himself
from the dead instead of God raising His Son, and would then be GIVING Himself GLORY instead of glorifying His Son. Thus the whole verse would be a lie.

Most would never understand that the Law was a marriage contract between Israel and God. If any one could remain sinless according to the Law then children would come
from the union of Israel and God. That relationship was fulfilled by Jesus whom was the first to obtain spiritual Sonship and bring that to perfection through what He suffered.
He having opened the door to spiritual birth bought that right for all to be testified in due time.
That said, God did not marry Himself and have a spiritual child called Jesus that was actually Himself. Ludicrous.

 

[Butch5]

Clergy everywhere for 2,000 years have taught John 1:1 reads "In the begging was Jesus and Jesus was with Jesus and Jesus was Jesus".
And the masses have BOUGHT that!
Even to it says twice (vs 2) that he was WITH God!

Theos means also devine, and well a God, or a Godlike one.
Ex 7:1- And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby
God called others God, as in Angels sent to represent Him.

So why do they ignore the Bible?
The 'Trinity' dogma is responsible!

But, let's for a change, actually listen to what CHRIST had to say about himself and his God and Father- in the entire book of John!

I agree. I think the confusion comes because people equivocate on the word God. In one place it's used as a title and in another as a name for the Father. This confuses many people. I think this passage would be much clearer to people if the word Theos was translated divine or divinity. When people read the Word was God, they think of person instead of title. The Word was divine and the Word was with Divinity. The Bible shows us clearly that there are two different persons.

 

[QuestionIt]

Php 2:5; Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6; who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be held onto at the time,
Php 2:7; but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Jesus existed as God.

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

HHHHHHHHMMMMMMM!
It NEVER says Jesus was God- but in his FORM (a spirit being), and considered an equality with God not.

But leave it to a Trinitarian to come to that conclusion!

 

[QuestionIt]

It was not just "God the Father", and "God the Son" in raising Jesus from the dead it was also "God the Holy Spirit!"

The scriptures say NONE of that!

God, Jehovah raised him from the dead- which you don't BELIEVE in!

 

[Butch5]

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Actually, that's not a good translation. It's the worldly system that is going to be done away with. The earth is going to be restored. God's plan has not been thwarted. His plan was for man to have dominion over the earth. That is still the plan. That is why Jesus became man, so that man would rule the earth. In Acts Peter said Jesus must remain in Heaven until the restoration of all things. In Romans 8 Paul said that the creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of glory then it too will be restored.

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (Rom. 8:17-21 KJV)

Here Paul says that Christians are joint heirs with Christ. An heir is one who receives and inheritance. Paul says that the creation was subject to bondage. That's the curse that God put on the land when Adam sinned. Paul says that the curse is going to be removed, the creation delivered from bondage and to the children of God. Christ is a child of God and Christians, by way of adoption, are children of God. The creation is the inheritance. In Psalm two David speaks the words of Christ in prophesy.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
(Ps. 2:7-8 KJV)

God gave the ends of the land to Christ as an inheritance. Also, in the beatitudes Jesus quotes David when He said, 'the meek shall inherit the earth'.

Also, keep in mind that in the Bible, the word earth refers to land, not the planet. In Gen 1 we find this definition.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. (Gen. 1:9-10 KJV)

 

[Butch5]

The scriptures say NONE of that!

God, Jehovah raised him from the dead- which you don't BELIEVE in!

Paul even says that.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Rom. 8:11 KJV)

This passage clearly shows that Jesus didn't raise Himself.

 

[Curtis]

The scriptures say NONE of that!

God, Jehovah raised him from the dead- which you don't BELIEVE in!

Try reading post #59 again.

 

[Curtis]

Paul even says that.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Rom. 8:11 KJV)

This passage clearly shows that Jesus didn't raise Himself.

You need to read post #59 again.

 

[QuestionIt]

Paul even says that.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Rom. 8:11 KJV)

This passage clearly shows that Jesus didn't raise Himself.

But Churchianity says Jesus NEVER DIE!

 

[QuestionIt]

Poor Curtis... Maybe some more churchoids will speak up for him!

 

[Curtis]

Spoken just like the Pharisees. So, God DIED?

Jesus said.......

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

 

[QuestionIt]

Jesus said.......

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

So God DIED?

 

[Samson2020]

Jesus said.......

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

And who told Jesus what to say?

 

[Curtis]

Poor Curtis... Maybe some more churchoids will speak up for him!

If you do NOT believe Jesus is the "I AM" you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Nobody can be saved unless they believe Jesus Christ (who is God) was raised from the dead! (Romans 10:9-10)

 

[th1bill]

Do all Baptists Babble? Is that while they are called BAptists?

I am a Christian that usually, but not exclusively, attends a Baptist Church for Fellowship. I cannot understand you if you claim Yashua as Savior. I will say I, personally, have not seen you say so. But I have learned that teaching scripture is akin to tossing pearls of wisdom under the hooves of pigs. I hope you get well but you do not demonstrate good signs right now. May YHWH bless you and yours.

 

[th1bill]

However, Jesus was a MAN period, born under the LAW of Moses, that God could never be subject to Himself as it was only for man.
Num 23:19 God is not a MAN, that He should lie; neither the son of man that He should repent...............

So here we see God saying two things, He is not a man and He was not born of a woman ,(son of man), However Jesus was a man, and was born of a woman.
Jesus and His Father are not one and the same. If Jesus was God then Numbers 23:19 would be a lie and God cannot lie.

Second it was God that raised Jesus from the dead, not Jesus raising Himself. He laid down His life as a sacrifice and after God raised Him from the dead He resumed His life
but now never subject to death anymore. He didn't raise Himself.

Acts 13:35................Thou(God) shalt not suffer thine Holy One(Jesus) to see corruption.

1 Peter 1:21 "Who by Him(Jesus) do believe in God, who raised Him(Jesus) from the dead, and GAVE Him(Jesus) glory; that your faith and hope might be in God."

If we were to put your claim into the above scripture then there is no Jesus other than in name, as God would have died and not His Son, and God would have raised Himself
from the dead instead of God raising His Son, and would then be GIVING Himself GLORY instead of glorifying His Son. Thus the whole verse would be a lie.

Most would never understand that the Law was a marriage contract between Israel and God. If any one could remain sinless according to the Law then children would come
from the union of Israel and God. That relationship was fulfilled by Jesus whom was the first to obtain spiritual Sonship and bring that to perfection through what He suffered.
He having opened the door to spiritual birth bought that right for all to be testified in due time.
That said, God did not marry Himself and have a spiritual child called Jesus that was actually Himself. Ludicrous.

sorry Samson, but wrong. Scripture demonstrates that our One Elohim is a Triune Being. When John the Baptist baptized Yashua the Father, YHWH, the son, Yashua, and Ruah, the Holy Spirit were present.

 

[th1bill]

If you do NOT believe Jesus is the "I AM" you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Nobody can be saved unless they believe Jesus Christ (who is God) was raised from the dead! (Romans 10:9-10)

Truth!

 

[QuestionIt]

If you do NOT believe Jesus is the "I AM" you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Nobody can be saved unless they believe Jesus Christ (who is God) was raised from the dead! (Romans 10:9-10)

 

[QuestionIt]

But this post has been sabotaged- it's supposed to be about Christ's words from John!
Let's continue~

John 10:33- The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

The response he made Trinitarians IGNORE

34- Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are Gods’?
35- If He called them Gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),
36- do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said,
‘I am the SON of God’?
37- If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
38- but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

 

[Samson2020]

sorry Samson, but wrong. Scripture demonstrates that our One Elohim is a Triune Being. When John the Baptist baptized Yashua the Father, YHWH, the son, Yashua, and Ruah, the Holy Spirit were present.

So in your mind when John baptized Jesus he was baptizing God, and that the one who told Him upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining on Him He is the one who
will baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire, God was baptizing Himself with His own Spirit?