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Killer at Christian school was “transgender”

StewardoftheMystery said:
They already have laws for that, it’s called background checks.
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That can only mean the law is not enough. Like I mentioned, at a bare minimum, gun uses should be restricted, closely monitored, and bans issued if outside of regulated uses.

Of course no one can prevent violence altogether. But removing guns from the scene of violence can certainly reduce damage. I still recall that scene in Criminal Minds years back when a deeply traumatized mother who lost her child could just walk into a gun store and buy a gun, and the shooting spree started. That's just how easy a mentally disturbed person can buy a gun in US. Besides, many people who may have a mental issue can appear downright normal in public.
 
StewardoftheMystery said:
The liberal position is blaming the gun for the murder, not the murderer.
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Giving a potential murderer the chance to possess a highly dangerous weapon like a gun is worse than being liberal. That said, I don't consider myself liberal at all. Wouldn't a liberal be a person who supports gun rights?
 
B-A-C said:
Do you think no one has a gun in the UK, or Japan?
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I have been to Japan for a few years, have a friend there too. They don't own guns.

Also, if you consider the level of safety amongst countries, some of the safest countries don't allow private ownership of guns. That says a lot.
 
Gun ownership vs Safety of Countries

wisevoter.com

Safest Countries in the World 2023 - Wisevoter

The safety of a country can be measured by various factors such as crime rates, terrorist activities, internal conflicts, political instability, natural disasters, and more. One of the widely used measures to assess the safety of a country is the Global Peace Index (GPI), which ranks countries...
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Top 10 safest countries per wisevoter:
1. Iceland – 1.11
2. New Zealand – 1.27
3. Ireland – 1.29
4. Austria – 1.30
5. Denmark – 1.30
6. Portugal – 1.30
7. Czech Republic – 1.32
8. Slovenia – 1.32
9. Singapore – 1.33
10. Japan – 1.34

Gun Ownership by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com

5 of the top 10 safest countries have bare minimum to zero gun ownership rights.

Top 10 countries with highest gun ownership per worldpopulationreview:
  1. United States - 120.5
  2. Falkland Islands - 62.1
  3. Yemen - 52.8
  4. New Caledonia - 42.5
  5. Serbia - 39.1 (tie)
  6. Montenegro - 39.1 (tie)
  7. Uruguay - 34.7 (tie)
  8. Canada - 34.7 (tie)
  9. Cyprus - 34
  10. Finland - 32.4
None of these countries with the highest gun ownership are even among the top 10 safest countries. Whoever said that owning guns is good for personal safety??

Need I say more?
 
Hekuran said:
Wanting to prevent children being murdered is not a Liberal position. It's basic human morality.
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Wanting to protect one’s family, from being murdered by violent criminals, is a basic human morality as well. If someone breaks into your house with a gun, and you don’t have one, you are a sitting duck.
 
Hekuran said:
What's your point? Nobody on this forum is blaming the gun.
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By the simple act of wanting to restrict gun ownership, you are blaming the gun. It is not the gun that does the killing… It is the person who points and pulls the trigger. If someone broke into your house and threatened to kill and rape, your family, and they had a gun, and you had nothing with which to protect yourself, who do you think would win?
 
God said, thou shall not murder. He did not say, thou shall not protect by self or thy family by leveling the playing field with a firearm. The bad people/criminals/juvenile delinquents will always find a way to get a firearm. It doesn’t matter whether or not they have a background check or anything else… They will find a way to get a firearm, even if it is by illegal means. Every citizen in the United States of America has the right to protect their family. That is not only a God-given right, it is a right, that is in our United States Constitution… The right to bear arms. With as violent as our society is now in the United States of America, compared with what it used to be years ago, only a fool would not purchase a fire arm to have in their own home, in order to protect themselves and their family from harm.
 
America's gun policy is not protecting its citizens as well as it could. The high rates of homicide and death by firearms demonstrate that very well.

There are many policy changes that could help to reduce gun violence and would stay within America's constitution.

I don't see why any reasonable person would not want to explore ways to prevent needless deaths.
 
IamachildofGod4 ever said:
Wanting to protect one’s family, from being murdered by violent criminals, is a basic human morality as well. If someone breaks into your house with a gun, and you don’t have one, you are a sitting duck.
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Huh? If a gun ban is implemented, nobody will be able to break into your house with a gun in the first place. So your concern would not even happen.
 
IamachildofGod4 ever said:
God said, thou shall not murder. He did not say, thou shall not protect by self or thy family by leveling the playing field with a firearm. The bad people/criminals/juvenile delinquents will always find a way to get a firearm. It doesn’t matter whether or not they have a background check or anything else… They will find a way to get a firearm, even if it is by illegal means. Every citizen in the United States of America has the right to protect their family. That is not only a God-given right, it is a right, that is in our United States Constitution… The right to bear arms. With as violent as our society is now in the United States of America, compared with what it used to be years ago, only a fool would not purchase a fire arm to have in their own home, in order to protect themselves and their family from harm.
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Do you need a gun to protect your family if no civilian is allowed to own a gun??
 
Godbehonored said:
Huh? If a gun ban is implemented, nobody will be able to break into your house with a gun in the first place. So your concern would not even happen.
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That’s quite hilarious. As I said, the bad people always manage to get guns. As a matter of fact, a 12-year-old and a 17-year-old just killed three teenagers and there is still a teenage killer at large. Banning guns is not going to do anything but disarm, lawful citizens, and give them nothing to level the playing field if somebody accosts them with a gun or somebody breaks into their house with a gun. When already lawless people know that there is no way for a homeowner or a law, abiding citizen to protect themselves, that will emboldened them even more.
 
Hekuran said:
America's gun policy is not protecting its citizens as well as it could. The high rates of homicide and death by firearms demonstrate that very well.

There are many policy changes that could help to reduce gun violence and would stay within America's constitution.

I don't see why any reasonable person would not want to explore ways to prevent needless deaths.
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America is a post modern post Christian nation. When people had higher morals, and Christians actually lived out their faith, this country was far safer. As the society has devolved into a mess of people who have no respect for the sanctity of human life, because they haven’t been taught that at home or in church, when children are taught in public schools that they can identify as a dog,( and that’s no joke… That happened in a school near here, ) and get away with it, when children are taught by their parents, or by society/public schools that they can change their gender, you know we have a problem. Gun violence is part of the problem. So , your solution is to take away the guns from law, abiding citizens, and make it so that they can’t protect themselves from the nut cases in society. Makes no sense to me .

People kill people. Guns don’t kill people. A gun is an inanimate object. It has no power to do anything in and of itself.
 
IamachildofGod4 ever said:
America is a post modern post Christian nation. When people had higher morals, and Christians actually lived out their faith, this country was far safer. As the society has devolved into a mess of people who have no respect for the sanctity of human life, because they haven’t been taught that at home or in church, when children are taught in public schools that they can identify as a dog,( and that’s no joke… That happened in a school near here, ) and get away with it, when children are taught by their parents, or by society/public schools that they can change their gender, you know we have a problem. Gun violence is part of the problem. So , your solution is to take away the guns from law, abiding citizens, and make it so that they can’t protect themselves from the nut cases in society. Makes no sense to me .

People kill people. Guns don’t kill people. A gun is an inanimate object. It has no power to do anything in and of itself.
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In most cases of the recent mass shootings, the weapons were legally held by the assailants. So restrictions on who can get hold of a weapon legally would likely have prevented many of these tragedies.
 
If more guns result in more deaths, then the period between 1994 and 2019 should have seen growing violent crime throughout those decades due to the increase in demand for guns, particularly over the last 20 years, and yet, we don’t. We see the opposite.
I get why “more guns mean more deaths” is a powerful talking point, but it’s wrong. It’s incredibly wrong and any evidence claiming the contrary usually involves ignoring numerous other factors such as economics, education, or pretty much anything else.
Unfortunately, it still works because there’s generally little pushback on it, at least where most people can see it. Reason, for example, is a publication I enjoy reading, but it’s not going to get the same attention that a study saying the opposite would get when published at the New York Times, for example.
And that’s part of the problem. It’s a soundbite, which makes it easy to digest and repeat. However, it’s at best simplistic, but the reality is that the best-case scenario isn’t what’s happening. This isn’t missing context, it’s outright wrong.
 
IamachildofGod4 ever said:
If more guns result in more deaths, then the period between 1994 and 2019 should have seen growing violent crime throughout those decades due to the increase in demand for guns, particularly over the last 20 years, and yet, we don’t. We see the opposite.
I get why “more guns mean more deaths” is a powerful talking point, but it’s wrong. It’s incredibly wrong and any evidence claiming the contrary usually involves ignoring numerous other factors such as economics, education, or pretty much anything else.
Unfortunately, it still works because there’s generally little pushback on it, at least where most people can see it. Reason, for example, is a publication I enjoy reading, but it’s not going to get the same attention that a study saying the opposite would get when published at the New York Times, for example.
And that’s part of the problem. It’s a soundbite, which makes it easy to digest and repeat. However, it’s at best simplistic, but the reality is that the best-case scenario isn’t what’s happening. This isn’t missing context, it’s outright wrong.
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Do you have a practical suggestion on how to reduce deaths by firearmss, mass shootings in particular? Something that could be implemented now that in the course of five years or so would bring down the number of people being killed.
 
Hekuran said:
Do you have a practical suggestion on how to reduce deaths by firearmss, mass shootings in particular? Something that could be implemented now that in the course of five years or so would bring down the number of people being killed.
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Hekuran said:
Do you have a practical suggestion on how to reduce deaths by firearmss, mass shootings in particular? Something that could be implemented now that in the course of five years or so would bring down the number of people being killed.
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1. Store guns safely at home, especially in a home where there are children.

2. Assess and listen to others, who give warning signs that they are about to commit a crime. Never take comments about committing a crime lightly lightly. In the case of the Marjory, Stoneman, Douglas… Not sure if I’m remembering the name correctly, mass shooting, there were multiple warning signs, and multiple reports that the particular person who committed the violence was going to do so. They were all ignored.

3. Teach your children about the sanctity of life. That used to be a subject that was not off-limits in our schools. Instead of teaching them about the sanctity of life, we now teach them that so-and-so has two mommies and it’s perfectly normal, or today I’m identifying as a boy, even though I’m a girl, and that’s perfectly normal.

4. Go to a gun range and learn to shoot a gun if you possess one.

5. Do not be surprised by the rise in lawlessness, because Jesus told us this would happen. Do not try and sweep it under the carpet. Jesus told us not to murder, he did not tell us not to protect ourselves on our families when threatened. You can stop somebody bent on killing you or your family far more effectively with a gun.
 
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