My son is gay.....

[Gerlinde]

I can see, that we are agree to disagree. And that's fine. It would be a boring world, if all are everything agree.

 

[B-A-C]

"homosexuals" isn't correct translated here. The original Greek word is arsenokoites, and Luther translated it correct as PEDERASTS.

Even if this was true, and it isn't, I've heard this before. This is from Strongs.

arsenokoitēs
ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace
From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

arsen simply means male.

But even if you were correct about this one verse, there are many others you would have to explain away as well.

1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

1 Tim 1:10; and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27; and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:32; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Lev 20:13; 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

Gen 19:4; Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;
Gen 19:5; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sexual relations with them."
Gen 19:13; for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry of evil has become so great before the LORD that the LORD has sent us to destroy it."
Gen 19:24; Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven,

Lev 18:22; 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

In fact the first command God gave humans was...

Gen 1:28; God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Homosexuals are unable to do this without "outside help".

1 Cor 7:2; But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

1 Cor 11:11; However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.

Matt 19:5; and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? ( This is a quote of Gen 2:24; )

Two men or two women cannot become "one flesh".

 

[Gerlinde]

May I officially put to the admin or the moderator a question here. It concerns the question of why my posts in the forum do not appear directly, but have to be "approved"? I always thought the U.S. would be the country of free speech?
Am I mistaken? Censorship is an abomination, what I still know from my time in the former GDR. Rosa Luxembourg, the great communist who once said: "Freedom is always the freedom of the first dissident". Wise woman, this Polish Jew!

 

[Chad]

Chad, the Bible was often misused to do bad things and justify it. Women's oppression, slavery, allowed rape, genocide, just to name a few.
Sometimes the Bible was deliberately abused but sometimes even despite knowing better. Many biblical scholars are not in your opinion. And why not? Because they had dealt with the text and the cultural context. Because they understood ancient languages. For example, Luther translated in 1 Corinthians these Greek words Malokoi and Arsenokoites with "catamite" and pederasts ".
So it's not about a gay love affair, but about pederasts and their slaves here in a pagan temple. Only in the fifties of the last century, this word was associated with homosexuality. Previously, for example, was Malokoi associated with masturbation in context, while it has very different meanings, many without sexual context.

How the bible is USED by a person and how another uses it in their life doesn't dictate how God intends it to be interpreted and what the factual message is. So your statement is faulty. You've basically undermined the Word of God based in your understanding and his others used the bible, that's casting a dark shadow on real followers.

 

[Chad]

May I officially put to the admin or the moderator a question here. It concerns the question of why my posts in the forum do not appear directly, but have to be "approved"? I always thought the U.S. would be the country of free speech?
Am I mistaken? Censorship is an abomination, what I still know from my time in the former GDR. Rosa Luxembourg, the great communist who once said: "Freedom is always the freedom of the first dissident". Wise woman, this Polish Jew!

This is ridiculous. Don't agree to the community guidelines then deliberately break them the same day you register by posting links, then make this stupid statement about censorship being an abomination. Grow up.

 

[Fenn]

Why should she ask her husband? She's a grown woman, she should know herself what is best for her child. Not for her, not for her faith, but for her child.

Hi @Gerlinde,

I don't know if you are still on this site. If not, then hopefully you will get a chance to still see my reply.

I believe the advice I gave to @alltojesus was sound advice, whether or not you follow Christ. If you read her first post, then you will see that her husband still has a "good" relationship with their son, from her eyes. Do you not ask someone for advice ever? Being a grown person does not mean you are automatically endowed with the knowledge of what is best.
If you look at it from the Christian stand point, then your rebuke is very much like that of the serpent. We need not lean upon our own understanding.
For a successful marriage and relationship with children you must be on the same page with your spouse.
Lastly, this is after all a Bible forum dedicated to looking at circumstances through the Word of God. I wonder why it is still a surprise to many people that responses make an attempt to be in conjunction with Biblical teachings.

 

[Hekuran]

Yes you should talk all this through with your husband, but my hunch is that the most important conversation is with your son.

Here's my suggestion. I don't know enough about the situation to know if it hits the mark...

Would it be possible to talk to your son saying, "I think I might owe you an apology for the way I reacted when you told me about your relationship. Please tell me about the situation from your perspective and I'll listen."

Listen for as long as it takes - no need to respond with your own viewpoint on the situation.

Listening, understanding and caring does not mean that you have to compromise your moral standpoint. It's just that the main thing for now is that the relationship with your son is restored.

With prayers

 

[SpiritLedEd]

So it's not about a gay love affair, but about pederasts and their slaves here in a pagan temple. Only in the fifties of the last century, this word was associated with homosexuality. Previously, for example, was Malokoi associated with masturbation in context, while it has very different meanings, many without sexual context.

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It seems to me that temple prostitution (male to male/female to female) could qualify as a fertile seed bed for homosexual thinking.

SLE

 

[CuddleBunny282]

You know I always find it funny when you guys say that there's so many who support homosexuality, but not the other stuff you mentioned. Because they know its wrong. Um, guess again. I know plenty of people who are really into alcoholism and drugs, and act like "its the best thing ever!", you don't know how many people i hear brag about this stuff. Murders, I don't know, a lot of people who murder hide it. But there are people who brag about it. Rape, there are people who are very sick that they support it, and same with pedophillia too! Its terrible. A few months ago, I remember hearing about this place called the Deep Web, which I heard has a lot of illegal stuff. Lets just say that it basically 95% of the web. Websites on there you can't search, on Google you would have to use Tor. I don't encourage anyone to go there. Its like going to a bad neighborhood.
Anyways, back to the original topic. Homosexuals aren't even hurting anyone whatsoever with what they're doing. I think its crazy how you people call it unnatural or an abomination. That sounds kinda messed up to me...

And yes, I disagree with you what most of you say. And I disagree with what God thinks too. You can call him/her loving but in my eyes God seems like someone who wants to control you. This is one of the reasons why I like that Lucifer/Satan/Beelzebub, rebeled against God. I also believe that Lucifer was the one who gave us free will. Anyways, that is all. Have a good night/day.

 

[B-A-C]

And I disagree with what God thinks too. You can call him/her loving but in my eyes God seems like someone who wants to control you. This is one of the reasons why I like that Lucifer/Satan/Beelzebub, rebeled against God. I also believe that Lucifer was the one who gave us free will.

I think that about sums it up.

If a parent is "controlling" their infant to keep them from running out in the street, is that not loving them?
If a parent is "controlling" their teenagers by not allowing them to bring drugs and alcohol into the house, is that not loving them?
If a parent is "controlling" what their adolescents see on the internet or watch at the movies, is that not loving them?
You are right about one thing, we have free will. How you choose to live your life and what you believe is your choice.
But when I reached my late 20's I went back and thanked my parents for all the times they said no. I thanked them for the discipline, morals and values
that they taught me. I thanked them that I didn't grow up with loose rules about sex and alcohol. I thank God for his discipline and rules also.
I didn't grow up perfect and I had my rebellious moments, but I learned that fighting against authority and rules doesn't usually help me in the long run.
Going against man's rules is one thing, going against God's rues is another, but as you stated... it's our choice.

 

[LoveStory]

My son is gay (or so he says he is). He has maintained that proclamation for four years. Recently he told me he is "in a relationship". My husbands response was, how did you meet him. My response was, I raised you as a Christian, the bible says homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. I told my son I love him too much to sit back and make him feel like he is doing nothing wrong. This conversation between my son, husband and me occurred two weeks ago. Since then, my son has a great relationship with his father, my son won't look at me or speak to me. I am interested in your input.

I believe when condemnation fails, it's time to let go and let God's agape love win. Find God's peace and compassion in your heart towards your son. Jesus loves us unconditionally, no matter what we do, and he wants us to love others the same. Allow the love of God to draw your son; Jesus said, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto myself." (John 12:32)

A few ways to demonstrate God's love to your son:

• Don't condemn him. (Luke 6:37)
• Accept him.
• Be grateful for him.
• Be kind; smile at him. (Proverbs 15:30)
• Speak blessings over him.
• Be humble.
• Be respectful.
• Forgive him.

If the relationship is strained because of something you said, apologize.
God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. (1 John 4:16)

 

[LoveStory]

It's easy to find people in some churches that will go along with what people want, they will say what people want to hear (get their ears tickled) and get
teachers that teach what goes along with their desires. But this isn't sound doctrine. The Bible warns about these people.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Again, you can disagree with Chad, or myself or whoever, but when you disagree with scripture, you are disagreeing with God.

Respectfully Sir, you are quoting scripture out of context. I have to signoff now. I will return later today to elaborate.

 

[LoveStory]

Dear @B-A-C:

I am back to elaborate, as promised. I want to start out by saying, God will never contradict himself; God will never change his mind; and God will never add terms and conditions to the Gospel. This is when you know and know for sure that there is something out of whack here if we are to interpret verses the way you are. It is so important for Christians to know the Gospel of Jesus; understand the Gospel; and live the Gospel. Because that is the Gospel that saves you, and that Gospel cost God his only begotten Son. The Gospel of Jesus (the New Testament) is about the forgiveness of sins, it is about a great exchange, and it is about Grace (and Not Law & Condemnation). (Romans 8:1, Romans 11:6)

Regarding the context of scriptures you're quoting: Matthew 7:21-23... I think Joseph Prince does a good job at putting them in proper context...

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus was talking to the Israelites. Not to you wherever you are, and not to the OP's gay son. Furthermore, Jesus said it before he died. It is not the same for us because we are New Covenant (covered by the blood) Christians. That’s not to say that Jesus never talked about New Covenant stuff before he died, and to other Israelites. This is where it takes a little discernment (sometimes just common sense). For example- whenever he prefaces with “The Kingdom of Heaven is like this…” then you know he’s talking about a future reality (future to them). Or when he was talking to his disciples intimately, you also know it is different. But not only was Jesus speaking in public here, he was addressing something very specific. It was a Spirit-thing he was addressing.

What is a “Spirit thing?”. Well, do you remember the Rich Young Ruler? He had the exact same Spirit.

First, look at the question. He “asked the wrong question.” And Jesus who sees the hearts of men like a widescreen HD TV knows what’s going on:
Luke 18:18-23 [18] A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

Do you smell it? Sniff it? Sense it? What am I talking about here? Is it possible to ask the wrong questions? The cornerstone of the Gospel is that you cannot earn eternal life. Jesus’ mission to the Jews was to show them that, and offer himself as the solution. But he didn’t always blurt it out. He didn’t make it too obvious. He wanted people to discern and believe for themselves. “Let them who have ears hear!”

Jesus could have just said “You can’t do anything son. The only thing you can do is believe in Me.” (Which he said in John 6:29, “The work of God is this… to believe in the one he sent.”)

Look at his strange answer:
Luke 18:18-23 [19] “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good — except God alone. [20] You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’”

Not only did he not answer the question straight, he even put his identity in question. The same Jesus who called himself “The Bread of Life”, “The Light of the World”, “Before Abraham was, I am!”… says “Why do you call me good, only God is good”- himself being part of the Triune God. This makes it obvious that it was a test.

He goes on to do something strange- which is to point to the law- instead of faith in himself (the way he did in famous John 3:16, “whoever believes in me shall not perish….”). Here he says, do not, do not do not…

Again this was a test to reveal to us all what was in the heart of the young ruler. And it is plain for all to see:
Luke 18:18-23 [21] “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

I believe him. Whether he was a “good guy” or “bad guy” is not in question. I’m sure he kept those laws better than most men. But I’m also sure he broke some. That’s the role of the law. To show you your cracks because the law never cracks. And Jesus shows him a big, gaping crack- “One thing you lack…”

This passage has been interpreted and misinterpreted into meaning so many things- that we should all sell our stuff and give it to the poor, that no rich people get to heaven, that we should all follow the commandments over and above faith in Jesus. Why? Because we cannot see what Jesus was really doing – testing the guy and exposing his heart. The guy, by the way, walked away depressed.
This is the exact same thing in the "Lord, Lord" verse.

Matthew 7:21-23 [22] Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name and driven out demons in Your name and done many mighty works in Your name?”
Many will come to God telling him “Lord, Lord”… I deserve to go to heaven because…

And Jesus is not looking at what they did or didn’t do. He’s looking at the words in red. For as long as anyone offers up their performance to God, as their reason to be accepted by him, they do not know him and he does not know them.

This is not old. Cain did it. He offered up his performance, while Abel offered the blood of Another- symbolic of Christ. And what was at stake was acceptance.

…If you do well, shall you not be accepted? (Genesis 4:7)
If we offer correctly, we too shall be accepted.
If we “do well”, we will live.
If we make sure we do not “disregard his command” we will enter eternal life.

So what is God’s command?
Believe.

Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29 NLT
Believe. That is the work of God. Receiving the Gospel of Grace is the only “command”. Accept his work on the cross as finished work. That’s it. (Ephesians 2:8)

 

[james1523]

My son is gay (or so he says he is). He has maintained that proclamation for four years. Recently he told me he is "in a relationship". My husbands response was, how did you meet him. My response was, I raised you as a Christian, the bible says homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. I told my son I love him too much to sit back and make him feel like he is doing nothing wrong. This conversation between my son, husband and me occurred two weeks ago. Since then, my son has a great relationship with his father, my son won't look at me or speak to me. I am interested in your input.

Big problem? You have bigger God. Nothing is impossible for God. God can overcome this situation by much prayer and praise before the Father's throne.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

I think that about sums it up.

If a parent is "controlling" their infant to keep them from running out in the street, is that not loving them?
If a parent is "controlling" their teenagers by not allowing them to bring drugs and alcohol into the house, is that not loving them?
If a parent is "controlling" what their adolescents see on the internet or watch at the movies, is that not loving them?
You are right about one thing, we have free will. How you choose to live your life and what you believe is your choice.
But when I reached my late 20's I went back and thanked my parents for all the times they said no. I thanked them for the discipline, morals and values
that they taught me. I thanked them that I didn't grow up with loose rules about sex and alcohol. I thank God for his discipline and rules also.
I didn't grow up perfect and I had my rebellious moments, but I learned that fighting against authority and rules doesn't usually help me in the long run.
Going against man's rules is one thing, going against God's rues is another, but as you stated... it's our choice.

I hope you do realize that I wasn't talking about controlling like where you're trying to keep your children safe, keeping someone safe from doing harmful things to themselves or whatnot. I meant by being controlling in a bad way, when you're old enough to decide what is right for you, Also, about God, I don't really believe in God so what most of what it is written in the Bible I don't obey. I do believe in the afterlife though, just not the typical Heaven that you and a lot of others believe in. I believe that when we die, we go on another journey, in another life, in another world. We're still the same person, and we still know all the people that we loved.

I also hope you read the first part of what I said. You can look up these topics if you want, but please don't even bother trying to go to the Deep Web or whatever you want to call it. You do not want curiosity to get the best of you. Just read some stuff about it, and you'll know. Also, you can look up on the other topics. Like pedophilia for example. Yes, there are sick people in this world who want support for this sick stuff. It is disgusting. Anyways, good day to you.

 

[Fenn]

I hope you do realize that I wasn't talking about controlling like where you're trying to keep your children safe, keeping someone safe from doing harmful things to themselves or whatnot. I meant by being controlling in a bad way, when you're old enough to decide what is right for you, Also, about God, I don't really believe in God so what most of what it is written in the Bible I don't obey. I do believe in the afterlife though, just not the typical Heaven that you and a lot of others believe in. I believe that when we die, we go on another journey, in another life, in another world. We're still the same person, and we still know all the people that we loved.

I also hope you read the first part of what I said. You can look up these topics if you want, but please don't even bother trying to go to the Deep Web or whatever you want to call it. You do not want curiosity to get the best of you. Just read some stuff about it, and you'll know. Also, you can look up on the other topics. Like pedophilia for example. Yes, there are sick people in this world who want support for this sick stuff. It is disgusting. Anyways, good day to you.

If you don't believe in God, then why do you say you believe Lucifer, who rebelled against God, and thank him for free will? Odd.
You didn't really say what you meant by controlling in a bad way.
To God we are all children and He wants to keep us safe and from doing harmful things to ourselves. You may not believe that homosexuality, drinking too much, lying, pre-marital sex, being promiscuous, and many other things harm you, but that doesn't mean they don't harm you. You are a child to God and your comprehension of the world, both spiritual and physical, is very limited.

Why would anyone want to look up those topics you suggest? That is a gateway to many problems. I suggest no one look them up. Of course there are people who support these terrible things. Does that make homosexuality okay? Nope. I think when anyone says that there are people who support and promote homosexuality they are referring to society and cultures as a whole. Not small minorities that hide themselves. But that is not far off.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

If you don't believe in God, then why do you say you believe Lucifer, who rebelled against God, and thank him for free will? Odd.
You didn't really say what you meant by controlling in a bad way.
To God we are all children and He wants to keep us safe and from doing harmful things to ourselves. You may not believe that homosexuality, drinking too much, lying, pre-marital sex, being promiscuous, and many other things harm you, but that doesn't mean they don't harm you. You are a child to God and your comprehension of the world, both spiritual and physical, is very limited.

Why would anyone want to look up those topics you suggest? That is a gateway to many problems. I suggest no one look them up. Of course there are people who support these terrible things. Does that make homosexuality okay? Nope. I think when anyone says that there are people who support and promote homosexuality they are referring to society and cultures as a whole. Not small minorities that hide themselves. But that is not far off.

Fenn, I didn't say I believe in Lucifer, I said I like that he rebelled against God, and I believe that he was the one who gave us free will. But you know, I don't believe in either God or the Devil. I like relatiing some quotes from the Bible to certain situations.

Are you assuming that I believe drinking too much, lying, being promiscuous, and many other things that would harm me are right? I not including Homosexuality or pre marital sex. With Pre marital sex, I don't think you should have sex at too young of an age, 16 or 17 would be good. As long they are sure that both want to, right time, using protection. Being promiscuous, everyone should feel sexy, confident about themselves. Nothing wrong with that. If you're going to have one night stands, do it with someone who is not in a relationship. I don't support lying in anyway at all. Drinking too much, i see what it does to my friend, who says he drinks everyday. And I know what it can do you.

No comment on homosexuality because I am done. The only side most you seem to listen to is yours and yours only. We as human beings are curious, but i believe we should always let curiosity get the best of us.

 

[Fenn]

Fenn, I didn't say I believe in Lucifer, I said I like that he rebelled against God, and I believe that he was the one who gave us free will. But you know, I don't believe in either God or the Devil. I like relatiing some quotes from the Bible to certain situations.

Ok, you can see why I misunderstood. First you say that you don't believe in Lucifer, then in the next sentence you say that you believe he is the one who gave us free will. I think that is odd, but I will leave it alone.

Are you assuming that I believe drinking too much, lying, being promiscuous, and many other things that would harm me are right? I not including Homosexuality or pre marital sex. With Pre marital sex, I don't think you should have sex at too young of an age, 16 or 17 would be good. As long they are sure that both want to, right time, using protection. Being promiscuous, everyone should feel sexy, confident about themselves. Nothing wrong with that. If you're going to have one night stands, do it with someone who is not in a relationship. I don't support lying in anyway at all. Drinking too much, i see what it does to my friend, who says he drinks everyday. And I know what it can do you.

Nope, I was using the word "you" in general. However, there are people who don't find any problems with drinking too much and lying, correct? Does that make it okay to do? No, I don't think it does. So, it is possible for someone to do something which harms them and still believe it is okay. I believe the same is true with homosexuality and premarital sex. Most people don't find anything wrong with premarital sex, even a lot of Christians. There are emotional wounds and scars that aren't as noticeable and don't heal as well as the physical.

Would you say that someone who is 16 or 17 is ready to be married? Would you say that they are ready to live on their own and deal with all of the responsibilities of an adult? Some maybe, but most I would say no. Which is why 16 or 17 years old is still too young to be engaging in those activities. They still don't understand long term consequences.

No comment on homosexuality because I am done. The only side most you seem to listen to is yours and yours only. We as human beings are curious, but i believe we should always let curiosity get the best of us.

No one will force you to comment on homosexuality, however you did voluntarily inject your opinion already and I will still reply.
It is not my side that I listen to. I am human and I can be wrong. I listen to God's side.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

Nope, I was using the word "you" in general. However, there are people who don't find any problems with drinking too much and lying, correct? Does that make it okay to do? No, I don't think it does. So, it is possible for someone to do something which harms them and still believe it is okay. I believe the same is true with homosexuality and premarital sex. Most people don't find anything wrong with premarital sex, even a lot of Christians. There are emotional wounds and scars that aren't as noticeable and don't heal as well as the physical.

Would you say that someone who is 16 or 17 is ready to be married? Would you say that they are ready to live on their own and deal with all of the responsibilities of an adult? Some maybe, but most I would say no. Which is why 16 or 17 years old is still too young to be engaging in those activities. They still don't understand long term consequences.



No one will force you to comment on homosexuality, however you did voluntarily inject your opinion already and I will still reply.
It is not my side that I listen to. I am human and I can be wrong. I listen to God's side.[/QUOTE]

Well, alright. And yes, that is correct. As long as they're being safe and not doing it everyday, then I don't care. I do drink occasionally. Sometimes I love treating myself. For drugs, same, but certain ones like heroin, its like you're playing with death here. But it is a person's choice if they want to do it or not. As for others, like people who support murdering or pedophilia, they're stupid and need to realize that that is not good at all, and I would suggest they seek help. Homosexuality is not harming anyone in anyway. A teenager who comes out to they're parents, and the parents feel that this is bad, that is not harming anyone. People are just homophobic. They can't accept that two people loving each other is better than making them feel bad for what their sexuality is. Well, that is true. But with premarital sex, I just hope that they're being safe. Also marriage, I usually understand getting married in their late or maybe early twenties. Some people believe they found love at a young age, and they feel that they'll be together a long time. I am hoping for that with my boyfriend, and so far almost 5 years we've been together. It just takes a lot to make a relationship like that work. Some people are not ready for a long term relationship, or some choose not to get married and be with someone for a long time. Gene Simmons for example: He was with his wife for long time before they got married, and they had kids. I was very surprised when he finally decided to get married. But yeah, you don't need a marriage certificate to say you're in a relationship.

 

[LoveStory]

Fenn, I didn't say I believe in Lucifer, I said I like that he rebelled against God, and I believe that he was the one who gave us free will.

You know what they say, "The doors of hell are locked from the inside." C.S. Lewis (;

But you know, I don't believe in either God or the Devil. I like relatiing some quotes from the Bible to certain situations.

You may not believe in God, CuddleBun, but God believes in you.

God loves *you* very, very, very much!

God isn't angry with you.

God isn't giving up on you.

Don't give up on God.

Seek and you will find. (Matthew 7:7)

"If you look for me wholeheartedly, you will find me." Jeremiah 29:13