My son is gay.....

[RJ]

@RJ you are making judgments that are for God alone to make.

No, I judge no one, that is up to God. On the other hand, I have a discernment from him and scripture and I state simple Biblical truths:

• A Christian is Biblically defined as a person with Christ living in them. Galatians 2:20
• A Marriage is Biblically defined as a marriage between a Man , a Woman and Jesus Christ. Matthew 19:5-6
• Homosexuality is a sin and an abomination to God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 , Romans 6:12
• If you are a un-repentant Homosexual, you do not have God living in you and therefore not saved. 1 Timothy 1:15

Do you believe that a unrepentant homosexual is saved?...scripture please.

 

[Hekuran]

scripture please.

‘Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

You have told someone that they do not have Jesus living in them. You cannot deny that you have made a judgement. Please consider how damaging words like this can be.

 

[RJ]

‘Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

You have told someone that they do not have Jesus living in them. You cannot deny that you have made a judgement. Please consider how damaging words like this can be.[/QUO

• We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
• There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24).
• I am judging the sin not the sinner.
• I stated that their apparent "un-repentance" leads to the consequence of being unsaved. I would be more than glad to help find the truth found in scripture if they would be willing.
• You did not answer my question; I ask again: Do you believe that a unrepentant homosexual is saved?...scripture please
• The fundamental truth of salvation is for one to admit they are a sinner and asking for / receiving forgiveness.
• One of the first fruits of salvation and God living in you is a regenerated and repentant heart for all sin, including Homosexuality.
• As long as they are living, they have a chance to repent and become saved.
  
  
  
  

 

[james1523]

The argument that animals do homosexual things therefore it's OK for humans to do them is a bad argument. For starts, animals do many things that are not OK for humans, such as eating their own faeces, killing and eating their partner, killing each other (in general) or cannibalism. This situation however of animals being homosexual or killing each other is not normal. Isaiah 11 says all this will change in the new heavens and new earth.
There will be no homosexuality in the future new earth or new heaven.
Also we must keep in mind that rejection of the Gospel is a worse sin than homosexuality (Luke 10:12). So an unbelieving homosexual is worse than an unbelieving heterosexual, and a believing homosexual is better than both. But a believing heterosexual is better than this, and a believing asexual, celibate or eunuch is better than all (all Christians are destined to become asexual like the angels). Sexuality and reproduction has caused so many problems from the time of Adam and Eve (Cain etc), Noah (the angel/human hybrids) through to today, that God is going to remove all sexuality from His people for the new heaven and new earth.

 

[Hekuran]

Hi RJ

Your first post did not do what you have described above. There was no sign of careful discernment or distinguishing between the sin and the sinner. See the exchange between Christ4ever and Otaku and you will see that what you wrote was wholly unnecessary. Your post slammed in and made a judgement that you are not qualified to make.

Christ4ever graciously apologised when he saw that he'd got things wrong. Please follow his example

 

[Abirewo]

[Pray and wait. i believe you did the right thing to show to your son that you condone homosexuality now pray and wait for God. Pray without ceasing the Lord will answer.

 

[RJ]

The argument that animals do homosexual things therefore it's OK for humans to do them is a bad argument. For starts, animals do many things that are not OK for humans, such as eating their own faeces, killing and eating their partner, killing each other (in general) or cannibalism. This situation however of animals being homosexual or killing each other is not normal. Isaiah 11 says all this will change in the new heavens and new earth.
There will be no homosexuality in the future new earth or new heaven.
Also we must keep in mind that rejection of the Gospel is a worse sin than homosexuality (Luke 10:12). So an unbelieving homosexual is worse than an unbelieving heterosexual, and a believing homosexual is better than both. But a believing heterosexual is better than this, and a believing asexual, celibate or eunuch is better than all (all Christians are destined to become asexual like the angels). Sexuality and reproduction has caused so many problems from the time of Adam and Eve (Cain etc), Noah (the angel/human hybrids) through to today, that God is going to remove all sexuality from His people for the new heaven and new earth.[/QUOTE

• My point exactly about Otaku that Hekuran would rather point fingers than face the truth about homosexuality.
• Clearly Otaku made is point very clearly is one of his posts: Homosexuality is found in over 1,500 species
  Homophobia is only found in 1
  
  Who's unnatural now?
  
  We are born heterosexual or homosexual.
  It isn't a choice. It will never change.
  If you think it can be changed, let's all set an example,
  Let's all be gay for about a year then go back to being straight
  
  Easy... Right?
  Not really...
  
  Children aren't born homophobic.
  They are taught to be homophobic.
  Homophobia is a choice. It can change.
  Stop this cycle of hatred.
• Otaku has made his own choice and , unless I misunderstand him, his choice is to be Gay and is precisely unrepentant for it.
• As you , more or less state, it is not the sinner but the sin. Homosexuality is a sin but being unrepentant is even worse, because unrepentantness is not forgivable: Matthew 12:31, Mark 3: 28-29
• I have no problem with homosexuality as a personal choice; I have always lived by live and let live but, I don't accept it as a life style based on scripture and, therefore, the left conveniently justifies their belief by calling me a homophobe.
• I am not afraid or have any anxieties about homosexuals and I openly confirm that their sin is no worse than any other sins, including my own but being unrepentant, for any sin, is a prelude to a unforgiveable sin, the impossiblity to be indwelt by the Spirit of God and therefore saved.
• I have said this many times: there are and will be many Gays, be healed and make it to heaven. The difference is that these are Gays , though they may struggle with their sin, perhaps even falling into and out of homosexuals relationships, they struggle, wanting to change from their sin because they have been regenerated and are repentant.John 3:3

 

[Hekuran]

Otaku has made his own choice and , unless I misunderstand him, his choice is to be Gay and is precisely unrepentant for it.

Otaku is female not male.
Otaku does not say if she is gay or not, only that she opposes homophobia

 

[RJ]

Otaku is female not male.
Otaku does not say if she is gay or not, only that she opposes homophobia[/QUOTE

• O.K., I duely apollogogize for calling Otaku a him when she is a her but, her gender, now being correct, still doesn't have anything to do with the subject.
• I don't entirely disagree with her Homophobia statement but, I find it very offensive that , for many, if a Christian is apposed to homosexuality, they are labeled Homophobic....a common leftist reply to ignore the truth by putting labels on anyone that opposes their view.
• Here is what Otaku said: "We are born heterosexual or homosexual." So, she is either homosexual or sympathises with them and the result is the same, she can't be Christian.
• No one can be a true Christian, with Christ living in them, and agree with what she said, especially in light of what scripture says about it: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10...."Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
• To be unrepentant in one's homosexuality or belief in it, is to be non-regenerated and unsaved.
• It is not me who judges but the righteousness of God.
• Matthew 12:31
• Mark 3: 28-29
• Why do you not answer any of my questions? Here are 2 and please support your answers with scripture:

1. Do you beleive that anyone can be unrepentant for a sin, any sin, and be saved?
2. Do you beleive that Homosexuality is a sin?

• This is what she said:

 

[Hekuran]

Your questions look like they are designed to test the orthodoxy of my faith. I can't see the value in going down that route.

Who is a true Christian or not is for God to judge, not you, me or anybody else on this forum. If we believe somebody is wrong in their beliefs, then the right thing to do is, where necessary, point out where you think they are wrong and guide them to the true path.

My reason for participating in this thread is because I was alarmed at the careless and damaging judgements being made about participants in the forum. You are not alone in making inappropriate statements.

What if this thread is all a person experiences of the kingdom of God? Why turn someone away unless we have exhausted all other options? I don't see any place in the Bible that says being accepting of homosexuality is an immediate disqualification for salvation.

Most of us are works in progress, the Holy Spirit reveals areas of life that need attention as we mature. If we were shown the full extent of our sinfulness and our distance from God at the outset of our walk with Christ, who could bear it?

 

[RJ]

Your questions look like they are designed to test the orthodoxy of my faith. I can't see the value in going down that route.

Who is a true Christian or not is for God to judge, not you, me or anybody else on this forum. If we believe somebody is wrong in their beliefs, then the right thing to do is, where necessary, point out where you think they are wrong and guide them to the true path.

My reason for participating in this thread is because I was alarmed at the careless and damaging judgements being made about participants in the forum. You are not alone in making inappropriate statements.

What if this thread is all a person experiences of the kingdom of God? Why turn someone away unless we have exhausted all other options? I don't see any place in the Bible that says being accepting of homosexuality is an immediate disqualification for salvation.

Most of us are works in progress, the Holy Spirit reveals areas of life that need attention as we mature. If we were shown the full extent of our sinfulness and our distance from God at the outset of our walk with Christ, who could bear it?

No Sir and I mean no disrespect but, if it is any test, it would be best described as a test of your Liberal Orthodoxy!

 

[Taylor Barrett]

i grew up bisxual and engaged in many many many many MANY homosexual fornications and relationships and friendships, etc. (before I came to Christ)

Homosexuals can be happy. Homosexuals can be "in love". Homosexuals can have "normal", "happy", "successful" life-long partnerships.

But this is not the test of morality. The test of morality is God's word.

there are people out there who "love" murder. there are people out there who are happy being rapists. there are successful satan worshippers. etc etc.

our own hearts are desperately evil. happiness, ""love"", kindness, successulfness, etc.. these are not tests of godliness.

The test of godliness is God's word. period.

I was bisexual, i was a gay prosititue. Jesus saved me from that sin. But i would have lived a happy life fornicating with men and women and could have spent my life in a successufl partnership with another man. Too often Christians think that non-christians and sinners cant be happy, and think that a person who is happy is necessarily in the will of God. its just not so.

I guess this post got way off topic, but thats just my 2 cents.

 

[mere5]

People are not born gay...it is a choice they make. You are born with green, blue or brown eyes...you are born with tan, black or white skin...taking your clothes off to engage in sex with the same sex is a CHOICE! Just like it's your choice whether you take drugs or become a serial killer. All choices with consequences!! Does Jesus love people who CHOOSE to participate in this sin? ABSOLUTELY! He loves all sinners that's why He selflessly died on the cross for our sins. SIN IS SIN whether it's murder, pride, lust for the same sex...the only difference is you see all the serial killers in the world

 

[mere5]

*You don't see serial killers marching in serial killer parades!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

I am the one who started this thread I later changed my name to Evan.
My son has disowned me and wont see me or talk to me any more. My husband wants me to apologize to my son for saying homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. My heart is in so much pain I can hardly breathe at times.

Greetings sister @evan

I will move part of this post to the counselling forum to start a new thread.

My son is gay.....


This thread has sadly gone off track.

My heart goes out to you for the painful situation you are in.....and I will pray that you know the comfort of the Lord and His leading.

Blessings

The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
Psalm 34:17-19