Non-OSAS belief - undermines the cross

[KingJ]

Does not matter what i believe, all that matters is what is in the Word of God.

The bible tells you to stone an adulterer to death. Do you walk around stoning mortal sinners?

You said it yourself, Paul states a number of times , people who are saved can still fall.

Paul warns the entire congregation in attendance. If any examine themselves to be in mortal sin or unrepentant venial sin, they will fail the test of being a true Christian.

This does not in any way shape or form debunk OSAS. It is good for each of us to examine ourselves. We can make the mistake of thinking we are saved when we are not.

I gave you this scripture, why are you not 'dealing' with it?

2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Now if you feel your interpretation of scripture is better than Paul's writing, then i will have to place you in the False Prophet status.

You cherry pick scripture like you cherry pick lines and words in my posts. I find this statement ironic.

Does KingJ now = False Prophet? That is up to you

An anti-OSAS belief paints God in a terrible light. It incriminates God. I have explained why.

A Christian should always keep silent if they espouse a belief that does such. We are driven by our own intellectual vanity if we don't.

I have stated why I believe an anti-OSAS belief is evil. I have YET to hear these points raised rebutted to prove they do not incriminate God. All I hear is the line ''scripture has this in it, so believe it''.

 

[Bill]

The bible tells you to stone an adulterer to death. Do you walk around stoning mortal sinners?



Paul warns the entire congregation in attendance. If any examine themselves to be in mortal sin or unrepentant venial sin, they will fail the test of being a true Christian.

This does not in any way shape or form debunk OSAS. It is good for each of us to examine ourselves. We can make the mistake of thinking we are saved when we are not.

I gave you this scripture, why are you not 'dealing' with it?

2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?



You cherry pick scripture like you cherry pick lines and words in my posts. I find this statement ironic.



An anti-OSAS belief paints God in a terrible light. It incriminates God. I have explained why.

A Christian should always keep silent if they espouse a belief that does such. We are driven by our own intellectual vanity if we don't.

I have stated why I believe an anti-OSAS belief is evil. I have YET to hear these points raised rebutted to prove they do not incriminate God. All I hear is the line ''scripture has this in it, so believe it''.

"The bible tells you to stone an adulterer to death. Do you walk around stoning mortal sinners?"

I do, the stone who is Jesus, that followed the Israelites around in the desert for 40 yrs.

"Paul warns the entire congregation in attendance. If any examine themselves to be in mortal sin or unrepentant venial sin, they will fail the test of being a true Christian."

Even when there i 1 person in the congregation, that person will be subject to the same judgement as all.

You said, "This does not in any way shape or form debunk OSAS. It is good for each of us to examine ourselves. We can make the mistake of thinking we are saved when we are not."

Paul is talking about this very thing in Galatians. Where people have received the Holy Spirit yet continue to sin in all manner of sin.

In Galatians 5:5 Paul tells us to love your neighbor as yourself he says "my brothers you were called" as you know to Liberty and you can only be called to Liberty if you were a slave to sin. He goes on to say serve one another rather in the works of Love since the whole of the law is summarized in a single command "love your neighbor as yourself".

Then Paul goes on to say "let me put it like this if you're a guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence." Now self-indulgence is doing what we darn well want to do, whether it's in the Lord or not. And his point is is that self-indulgence and living in the Spirit are two different things, 'opposites.'

Self Indulgence is plainly sinning.

Paul goes on to warn the Galatians about remaining in the Holy Spirit. As he says, " if you are led by the Holy Spirit, no law can touch you. When self-indulgence is at work the results are obvious" Andy goes on to list a number of different types of sinning fornication, indecency, sexual improprieties, adultery, sorcery, feuds, wrangling, jealousy, bad temper, quarrels, disagreements and then drunkenness, orgies and similar things.

Paulding States "I warn you now, as I warned you before those who behave like this will not inherit the kingdom of God".

KingJ then states this - ( and the last line is what i find most concerning. Have any here heard the phrase " the devil does 90% truth and 10% lies" The point is, that if KingJ claims to be a teacher of God, then how can he refuse even one verse of scripture? . I have shown repeatedly verses that prove the philosophy of OSOS is false. Not only in the words of Paul, but in the words of Jesus.

KingJ

"I have stated why I believe an anti-OSAS belief is evil. I have YET to hear these points raised rebutted to prove they do not incriminate God. All I hear is the line ''scripture has this in it, so believe it''. "

All of scripture works together, as it comes from one source Jesus.

 

[KingJ]

"The bible tells you to stone an adulterer to death. Do you walk around stoning mortal sinners?"

I do, the stone who is Jesus, that followed the Israelites around in the desert for 40 yrs.

Not sure I am following. Care to explain a bit more?

"Paul warns the entire congregation in attendance. If any examine themselves to be in mortal sin or unrepentant venial sin, they will fail the test of being a true Christian."

Even when there i 1 person in the congregation, that person will be subject to the same judgement as all.

I feel you are missing the point.

You said, "This does not in any way shape or form debunk OSAS. It is good for each of us to examine ourselves. We can make the mistake of thinking we are saved when we are not."

Paul is talking about this very thing in Galatians. Where people have received the Holy Spirit yet continue to sin in all manner of sin.

Please quote the scripture.

In Galatians 5:5 Paul tells us to love your neighbor as yourself he says "my brothers you were called" as you know to Liberty and you can only be called to Liberty if you were a slave to sin.

Gal 5:5 does not say that. I think you meant Gal 5:13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free.

Yes, we are all called to be free. Just like Henry Ford called all to drive automobiles and be free from donkeys. By excluding free and focusing on 'called', it sounds Calvinistic. Are you a Calvinist?

Then Paul goes on to say "let me put it like this if you're a guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence." Now self-indulgence is doing what we darn well want to do, whether it's in the Lord or not. And his point is is that self-indulgence and living in the Spirit are two different things, 'opposites.'

Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit.

Self Indulgence is plainly sinning.

Everyone sins. Christians, non-Christians, angels, demons. Not sure what your point is.

Paul goes on to warn the Galatians about remaining in the Holy Spirit. As he says, " if you are led by the Holy Spirit, no law can touch you. When self-indulgence is at work the results are obvious" Andy goes on to list a number of different types of sinning fornication, indecency, sexual improprieties, adultery, sorcery, feuds, wrangling, jealousy, bad temper, quarrels, disagreements and then drunkenness, orgies and similar things.

Please quote the actual scripture. I have not ignored any scripture from Paul warning all in attendance of the risks of hell if they continue in sin unrepentant. The issue that is flying over your head is the fact that Christians are ''not'' unrepentant.

Note 1 Cor 6:9-12 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Note how every sin mentioned is plural. It points to being unrepentant. Christians make 'mistakes' of sin. They don't continue in them unrepentant. Christians are also not unrighteous, they are made righteous by the blood of Jesus. Not just any mickey mouse who repents is washed by the blood of Jesus. Have you still not read this thread? What is a Christian and how do you become one?.

Paulding States "I warn you now, as I warned you before those who behave like this will not inherit the kingdom of God".

As I have said many times. Paul warns all in attendance. A Christian is not an unrighteous person that continues in sin unrepentant. What is a Christian and how do you become one?.

KingJ then states this - ( and the last line is what i find most concerning. Have any here heard the phrase " the devil does 90% truth and 10% lies" The point is, that if KingJ claims to be a teacher of God, then how can he refuse even one verse of scripture? . I have shown repeatedly verses that prove the philosophy of OSOS is false. Not only in the words of Paul, but in the words of Jesus.

There is not a single scripture I have not dealt with from you or anyone else in this entire thread. You are on the back foot and getting personal. ''Fales teacher'' accusations lol.

You have not dealt with 90% of the scriptures and arguments I have raised. Show me one from you I have ignored. You did not answer my 6 questions to you. If you took the smallest stab at them, you would see how flimsy the non-OSAS stance is.

KingJ

"I have stated why I believe an anti-OSAS belief is evil. I have YET to hear these points raised rebutted to prove they do not incriminate God. All I hear is the line ''scripture has this in it, so believe it''. "

All of scripture works together, as it comes from one source Jesus.

Could not agree more. The problem is that people cherry pick scriptures and formulate there own theories.

I have been wondering why someone will ignore so much scripture and hold to an anti-OSAS belief and I think I get it clearly now. It is vanity. Works based salvations makes one feel important. As though they have earned grace and deserve it.

 

[KingJ]

@Bill How is in an anti-OSAS belief not a works based salvation?

 

[Brad Huber]

Not sure I am following. Care to explain a bit more?

Pretty sure he means to throw Jesus (the word) at them. That is stoning them. Jesus is the Corner stone, and what that Corner stone hits, it smashes to pieces.

 

[Bill]

@Bill How is in an anti-OSAS belief not a works based salvation?

Mr false teacher, the reason I call you that is because you have stated twice now that your understanding of scripture is better than Paul the Apostle.

I can guarantee you, that your understanding of scripture is not better than the understanding of Paul had.

I don't think I need to explain why Jesus Is Like a Stone when it comes to talking to people who need stoning. Including Heretics. And as you have stated that you understand the scripture better than Paul, I don't see the point in having to post where the location is in the scripture to quote all the verses that I have posted. Or where my thoughts go, because you already know.

Just like everyone else here who says that they know the scripture inside and out. So if that's true then they know that I'm quoting scripture when I say it, and that is very often.

so you still haven't really responded to me about the words of Jesus. Where he is challenged by the scribes and Pharisees about casting demons out of a person. And Jesus makes the claim that Satan cannot cast out Satan. And as we know mankind doesn't have the authority to cast demons out either that was shown in the Acts of the Apostles where the magician or whatever he was try to cast a demon out of a person and the demons throttled the person saying I know Paul and I know Jesus but I don't know you. So we know that there has to be some Authority that cast out demons and that Authority only comes from God.

So now we have established that the only way a person can cast out a demon is through God. And the only way that that works is that you have to receive Jesus within you to cast The Demon out you can't just go and not have any belief in God and say in the name of Jesus during the name of all I cast you out because you would have the same situation that the magician had with the demon.

You may wonder why I'm setting up this parameter of what is required with a demon when it comes to the osas crowd. And the point that I'm making here has to do with Judas Iscariot. And this is the problem that the osas crowd is completely blind to because they don't bother to include more of scripture to understand the fullness of scripture to prove their point. They only use single verses or I'm using a whole gamut of scripture.

Even Satan can give himself a safe haven in the scripture by using the scripture especially versus like love your neighbor as yourself or love your enemy.

So you have to set up some understanding of the basis of Judas Iscariot. So we know for sure that Jesus was in Judas Iscariot that he wasn't using his own authority and he was obviously not filled with the Devil because it would have been impossible for him to cast demons out of people and to heal people as Jesus instructed for him to do with the other Apostles as Jesus sent them out into the towns to do these things.

And to top it off we know for sure that Jesus stated to the apostles for them to Rejoice that their names were written in heaven. Because the person that wrote that scripture also included the names of the Apostles and stated clearly Judas Iscariot with those names.

So it is going against the scripture when you state that once you're saved you're always saved. Because the scripture does not support it. Now you know that I've quoted scripture quite a bit and I know you know the readings so if you need to go find them you can do it yourself

You're not a child and I don't have to babysit you

 

[Curtis]

2Ti 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

 

[KingJ]

Mr false teacher, the reason I call you that is because you have stated twice now that your understanding of scripture is better than Paul the Apostle.

Bill, neither OSAS or anti-OSAS believers are false teachers. There is scripture supporting both views. I would argue though, as I have here, that anti-OSAS believers are cherry picking.

We both believe that those in sin unrepentant are en route to hell. The ''issue'' for me / what grates me / gets under my skin is the following:

Anti OSAS incriminate God in that they imply He is a foolish judge. I have ''YET'' to hear an anti OSAS believer defend God as just with the following example:

- Bob, never serves God, repents of sins, suffers on cross for two hours, dies and goes to ''ETERNAL'' bliss. Forever blessed, happy and covered by the blood of Jesus.

- Bill, serves God for fifty years. Suffers in prison for being anti LGBTQ++ for five years. In year 51 commits a few mortal sins. Dies and goes to hell, a place of torment, torturous fire, no joy, no blood covering, forever separated and in torment. All of eternity an enemy of God.

Any person with a 'logical' mind should conclude that there is something completely and utterly broken with the foundation of an anti-OSAS belief. If they don't, they should be able to provide a logical and clear explanation.

@Bill, as a mature Christian please deliver one, go floor is yours.......

 

[KingJ]

I can guarantee you, that your understanding of scripture is not better than the understanding of Paul had.

I agree with Paul. He calls those in sin unrepentant, ''brothers so called'' in 1Cor 5:11. IE ''not brothers''. IE, not Christians.

I don't think I need to explain why Jesus Is Like a Stone when it comes to talking to people who need stoning. Including Heretics. And as you have stated that you understand the scripture better than Paul, I don't see the point in having to post where the location is in the scripture to quote all the verses that I have posted. Or where my thoughts go, because you already know.

The example is silly, no offence, it is apples and oranges.

1. Jesus said to the prostitute that she must go and sin no more. If she continued in sin, would He have stopped her stoning? I think not.
2. God does not change Mal 3:6. If He ordained a death by stoning for said sin, His feelings on the sin have not changed today.

The reason people are not stoned today, is because 1. They are not Hebrews / Jews (No non Hebrew was stoned in the OT under the law), 2. God no longer needed a designated chosen race, as such the laws of blessings and curses no longer needed to be applied. It is not because ''Jesus was stoned''. Sure, Jesus ushered in a new dispensation for mankind. He was a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. All those that repent of their sins can be washed by His blood. In the OT, as a Jew, whether you repented of your sins or not was irrelevant to being stoned to death. Stoning took place so as to communicate to all God's thoughts on said sin. Not all sins warranted death by stoning. God does not change. He still hates some sins more then others.

I can see the point you trying to make, but it does not really work.

Just like everyone else here who says that they know the scripture inside and out. So if that's true then they know that I'm quoting scripture when I say it, and that is very often.

so you still haven't really responded to me about the words of Jesus. Where he is challenged by the scribes and Pharisees about casting demons out of a person. And Jesus makes the claim that Satan cannot cast out Satan. And as we know mankind doesn't have the authority to cast demons out either that was shown in the Acts of the Apostles where the magician or whatever he was try to cast a demon out of a person and the demons throttled the person saying I know Paul and I know Jesus but I don't know you. So we know that there has to be some Authority that cast out demons and that Authority only comes from God. So now we have established that the only way a person can cast out a demon is through God. And the only way that that works is that you have to receive Jesus within you to cast The Demon out you can't just go and not have any belief in God and say in the name of Jesus during the name of all I cast you out because you would have the same situation that the magician had with the demon

You may wonder why I'm setting up this parameter of what is required with a demon when it comes to the osas crowd. And the point that I'm making here has to do with Judas Iscariot. And this is the problem that the osas crowd is completely blind to because they don't bother to include more of scripture to understand the fullness of scripture to prove their point. They only use single verses or I'm using a whole gamut of scripture.

Even Satan can give himself a safe haven in the scripture by using the scripture especially versus like love your neighbor as yourself or love your enemy.

So you have to set up some understanding of the basis of Judas Iscariot. So we know for sure that Jesus was in Judas Iscariot that he wasn't using his own authority and he was obviously not filled with the Devil because it would have been impossible for him to cast demons out of people and to heal people as Jesus instructed for him to do with the other Apostles as Jesus sent them out into the towns to do these things.

Four points to consider.

1. You are reaching. God can make a donkey speak words of wisdom. He can make a donkey chase a demon out of a person.
2. Judas's ''authority'' can be likened to those that are sanctified in a marriage verse actually being a Christian.
3. The name of Jesus alone has power. Judas was walking around with Jesus (God of the universe per Isa 9:6). If I was a demon I would listen to him.
4. Matt 7:22-23 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessnesss.

This verse basically debunks the argument you are raising. It makes the fact that you don't need to be a Christian to cast out demons or do ''mighty'' works. You just need ''His name''. God would never say this of a Christian ''I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessnesss''.

And to top it off we know for sure that Jesus stated to the apostles for them to Rejoice that their names were written in heaven. Because the person that wrote that scripture also included the names of the Apostles and stated clearly Judas Iscariot with those names.

Apples and oranges when comparing that to Christians.

Prior to the cross. You kept your name written in heaven by not becoming sold out to a love of sin. Becoming an unrepentant sinner. Landing up in Hell over Abrahams bosom. The fact that they were serving God pointed to their names still being written in heaven.

After the cross, things change quite a bit. As I have already explained in post #517.

So it is going against the scripture when you state that once you're saved you're always saved. Because the scripture does not support it. Now you know that I've quoted scripture quite a bit and I know you know the readings so if you need to go find them you can do it yourself

It is very easy for two people to disagree on interpretation of some scriptures. The acid test we must always apply is to determine if said interpretation incriminates God. See here for an explanation How to know when you are cherry picking scripture.

I want you to please take a proper stab at answering the question in post #528. Prove to me an anti-OSAS belief does not incriminate God and I will give a lot more thought to your viewpoint.

What I do know without a shadow of a doubt, is that many prophets who knew God better then you or I, said with crystal clarity, that God is just and righteous in all His ways. Anti-OSAS makes a mockery of justice. Deut 32:4, Psalm 145:17, Isa 61:8.

 

[Bill]

Bill, neither OSAS or anti-OSAS believers are false teachers. There is scripture supporting both views. I would argue though, as I have here, that anti-OSAS believers are cherry picking.

We both believe that those in sin unrepentant are en route to hell. The ''issue'' for me / what grates me / gets under my skin is the following:

Anti OSAS incriminate God in that they imply He is a foolish judge. I have ''YET'' to hear an anti OSAS believer defend God as just with the following example:

- Bob, never serves God, repents of sins, suffers on cross for two hours, dies and goes to ''ETERNAL'' bliss. Forever blessed, happy and covered by the blood of Jesus.

- Bill, serves God for fifty years. Suffers in prison for being anti LGBTQ++ for five years. In year 51 commits a few mortal sins. Dies and goes to hell, a place of torment, torturous fire, no joy, no blood covering, forever separated and in torment. All of eternity an enemy of God.

Any person with a 'logical' mind should conclude that there is something completely and utterly broken with the foundation of an anti-OSAS belief. If they don't, they should be able to provide a logical and clear explanation.

@Bill, as a mature Christian please deliver one, go floor is yours.......

"neither OSAS or anti-OSAS believers are false teachers. There is scripture supporting both views. I would argue though, as I have here, that anti-OSAS believers are cherry picking."

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No, that is a false statement. There is only one truth, and it is not OSAS.

I have shown you a number of times using scripture.

Continue teaching this path, and you will be held partially accountable for the souls you have mislead. Be warned.


I am done here

 

[KingJ]

"neither OSAS or anti-OSAS believers are false teachers. There is scripture supporting both views. I would argue though, as I have here, that anti-OSAS believers are cherry picking."

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No, that is a false statement. There is only one truth, and it is not OSAS.

I have shown you a number of times using scripture.

Continue teaching this path, and you will be held partially accountable for the souls you have mislead. Be warned.


I am done here

You are running from answering the question raised. This entire thread is summed up in this question and me trying to get anti-OSAS believers to answer it .

I am 100% fine with standing before God of the universe and not being guilty of misrepresenting Him to the lost He loves and died for.

You on the other hand, I have told you what is wrong with your idealogy. I would be terrified of standing before God if I taught that. Prove to me that an anti-OSAS belief is not a perversion of justice by God and you will have my ear.

You need to read this How to know when you are cherry picking scripture

 

[Brad Huber]

Bill, neither OSAS or anti-OSAS believers are false teachers. There is scripture supporting both views. I would argue though, as I have here, that anti-OSAS believers are cherry picking.

We both believe that those in sin unrepentant are en route to hell. The ''issue'' for me / what grates me / gets under my skin is the following:

Anti OSAS incriminate God in that they imply He is a foolish judge. I have ''YET'' to hear an anti OSAS believer defend God as just with the following example:

- Bob, never serves God, repents of sins, suffers on cross for two hours, dies and goes to ''ETERNAL'' bliss. Forever blessed, happy and covered by the blood of Jesus.

- Bill, serves God for fifty years. Suffers in prison for being anti LGBTQ++ for five years. In year 51 commits a few mortal sins. Dies and goes to hell, a place of torment, torturous fire, no joy, no blood covering, forever separated and in torment. All of eternity an enemy of God.

Any person with a 'logical' mind should conclude that there is something completely and utterly broken with the foundation of an anti-OSAS belief. If they don't, they should be able to provide a logical and clear explanation.

@Bill, as a mature Christian please deliver one, go floor is yours.......

Your logic is human based, you could learn a few lessons from reading Job. First of all, Bill's future is up to God, not you or any other human. Second, Bill the poster is RCC, so he probably assumes Bill your fictional character will go to purgatory and not tortured in the manner you speak of as if you know how hell is. Just because someone knows that OSAS is a lie doesnt mean they are the evil person you paint them or their version of God to be.

 

[Curtis]

Jud 1:24 Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault. (NLT)

1Co 10:13 The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure. (NLT)

 

[B-A-C]

Jud 1:24 Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault. (NLT)

1Co 10:13 The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure. (NLT)

"able to". Some people change this to "will force you to". A life guard is able to save you, he is even "able to" keep you from drowning again... as long as you let him and follow the rules. You can always jump back into the ocean.

God will not allow the temptation to be more than we can stand... and yet, people "Christians" still sin, and use the excuse "we are not able to quit sinning".

2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

We both agree, "has saved us"... no disagreement in this verse. But none of these verses say you stay saved.

 

[Curtis]

"able to". Some people change this to "will force you to". A life guard is able to save you, he is even "able to" keep you from drowning again... as long as you let him and follow the rules. You can always jump back into the ocean.

God will not allow the temptation to be more than we can stand... and yet, people "Christians" still sin, and use the excuse "we are not able to quit sinning".



We both agree, "has saved us"... no disagreement in this verse. But none of these verses say you stay saved.

Heb 7:24 But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.
Heb 7:25 Therefore he is able, once and forever, to save those who come to God through him. He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.

Jud 1:24 Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault.

The word "keep" means "to guard and to protect"
God is "able" to "guard, and protect" you from falling away. How does he do that?

He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.

I have never met any born-again believer in my life who wants to fall away, have you?

 

[KingJ]

Your logic is human based, you could learn a few lessons from reading Job. First of all, Bill's future is up to God, not you or any other human. Second, Bill the poster is RCC, so he probably assumes Bill your fictional character will go to purgatory and not tortured in the manner you speak of as if you know how hell is. Just because someone knows that OSAS is a lie doesnt mean they are the evil person you paint them or their version of God to be.

Huh? I did not paint Bill as evil.

I will give kudo's to @Bill for being RCC. They have more of a leg to stand on with an anti-OSAS belief due to a belief in Purgatory.

 

[KingJ]

Your logic is human based, you could learn a few lessons from reading Job.

Why not just explain where my logic is flawed? .......

Job was a great man of God. Many prophets were basically close to in a 'Christian state' with God. One could argue they too would almost inevitably land up in Abraham's bosom given the tests they endured and passed for God.

Job had this to say of God: Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice.

What would Job think of the anti-Osas example of justice below?

- Bob, never serves God, repents of sins, suffers on cross for two hours, dies and goes to ''ETERNAL'' bliss. Forever blessed, happy and covered by the blood of Jesus.

- Brad Huber, serves God for fifty years. Suffers in prison for being anti LGBTQ++ for five years. In year 51 commits a few mortal sins. Dies and goes to hell, a place of torment, torturous fire, no joy, no blood covering, forever separated and in torment. All of eternity an enemy of God

 

[Curtis]

Heb 12:6 For the LORD disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”
Heb 12:7 As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Who ever heard of a child who is never disciplined by its father?
Heb 12:8 If God doesn’t discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.
Heb 12:9 Since we respected our earthly fathers who disciplined us, shouldn’t we submit even more to the discipline of the Father of our spirits, and live forever?
Heb 12:10 For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God’s discipline is always good for us, so that we might share in his holiness.
Heb 12:11 No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way. (NLT)

All born again belevers who do sin(s) and do not confess their sin(s) can be asured of God's dicipline which will cause you to become partakers of God's holliness.

 

[Brad Huber]

Huh? I did not paint Bill as evil.

I will give kudo's to @Bill for being RCC. They have more of a leg to stand on with an anti-OSAS belief due to a belief in Purgatory.

Anyone who promotes evil, IS evil. You believe the promotion of what bill say is evil for what it represents. Its not. Its simply what scripture teaches. And the reference to Job is people trying to tell others how God is in His dealings with man, and they all get it wrong, thats a lesson you should learn. Dont assume you are right about God because of your assumptions, dont assume you are right (any human logical arguement) about hell due to your assumptions. Its good to trust in God and put your faith in Him, instead of inventing dumb little scenarios and saying, such and such is the outcome. You know less than you know. We all do, you just dont want to admit it.

 

[KingJ]

Anyone who promotes evil, IS evil. You believe the promotion of what bill say is evil for what it represents. Its not.

This is a discussion forum. Explain why you say it is not...?

Its simply what scripture teaches.

I have given scriptures that show its not. It is clearly cherry picked idealogy. If you re-read the posts in this thread you will see I deal with every scripture and argument presented to me BAR NONE.

I cannot say the same for every anti-OSAS believer here. Cherry picking words in my posts, let alone lines. Ignoring opposing scriptures and completely RUNNING from answering any logical question.

As though God did not give us brains to judge false teaching. God forbid I use my brain, just have...faith...in there being a God...who is who He is...according to whoever cherry picks the scripture today...? .

And the reference to Job is people trying to tell others how God is in His dealings with man, and they all get it wrong, thats a lesson you should learn.
Dont assume you are right about God because of your assumptions, dont assume you are right (any human logical arguement) about hell due to your assumptions. Its good to trust in God and put your faith in Him,

If you read scripture that paints a different picture of God to then one painted by Jesus and the prophets, it is not scripture that is wrong. It is your reading skills and understanding of God. How to know when you are cherry picking scriptu

instead of inventing dumb little scenarios and saying, such and such is the outcome.

Dumb scenario? If it is so dumb explain to me how it misrepresent anti-OSAS. I am just putting your belief in a realistic scenario.

You know less than you know. We all do, you just dont want to admit it.

No, I think I know quite a bit about this topic. I have discussed it for a good portion of the last ten years.