On The Trinity

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,
may I ask which of you are men?

One has to wonder, the way you react to each other, for it reminds me of unruly children.

Why is it that while discussing something that obviously some of you hold very dear and almost sacred, that you bicker like girls might?
Why when we are discussing anything to do with Scripture, even more so GOD The Father Son and The Holy Ghost do we repeatedly see such sad interaction as seen in some of the recent posts? Should we trample the Word underfoot? God forbid.

For all the talk there appears that there is more interest in being seen to be clever than in building each other up. Why?
Since we make a song out of our virtue of study, perhaps some would do well to try and work that question out, Why?

This may sound a bit harsh but are the comments and what appears to be attitudes here nice OR needed?

For the benefit of the thread and the forum please do not post any more on this thread unless it is done so in love.

Bless you all ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Why do we stop at three in one?

• Advocate (1 John 2:1)
• Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)
• Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
• Amen (Rev. 3:14)
• Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)
• Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)
• Author of Life (Acts 3:15)
• Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)
• Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)
• Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)
• Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
• Bread of God (John 6:33)
• Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
• Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)
• Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)
• Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)
• Christ (1 John 2:22)
• Creator (John 1:3)
• Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
• Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)
• Everlasting Father (Isa. 9:6)
• Gate (John 10:9)
• Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
• Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)
• Faith and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)
• First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)
• Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)
• God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5; 2 Pet. 1:1;1 John 5:20; etc.)
• Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
• Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
• Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
• Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)
• Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
• High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
• Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)
• Holy One (Acts 3:14)
• Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)
• Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)
• Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
• I Am (John 8:58)
• Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)
• King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)
• King of Israel (John 1:49)
• King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)
• King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)
• King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)
• Lamb (Rev. 13:8)
• Lamb of God (John 1:29)
• Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)
• Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)
• Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)
• Light of the World (John 8:12)
• Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
• Living One (Rev. 1:18)
• Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)
• Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)
• Lord of All (Acts 10:36)
• Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)
• Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)
• LORD [YHWH] our Righteousness (Jer. 23:6)
• Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)
• Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)
• Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)
• Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)
• Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)
• Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)
• Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)
• Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)
• Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)
• Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)
• Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)
• Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)
• Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)
• Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
• Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)
• Prince of Peace (Isa. 9:6)
• Prophet (Acts 3:22)
• Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)
• Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)
• Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)
• Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
• Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
• Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14)
• Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5)
• Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20)
• Son of David (Lk. 18:39)
• Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14)
• Son of Man (Mt. 8:20)
• Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32)
• Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him (Heb. 5:9)
• The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
• The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
• True Bread (John 6:32)
• True Light (John 1:9)
• True Vine (John 15:1)
• Truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
• Way (John 14:6)
• Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
• Wonderful Counselor (Isa. 9:6)
• Word (John 1:1)
• Word of God (Rev. 19:13)

Taken from :
Monday Morning Review | The Emmanuel Fellowship Church Weblog

Bless you ....><>

 

[Travis]

Why do we stop at three in one?

Personally, I stop at three in one because the scriptures say to not go beyond what is written.




Trinity:

A healthy understanding of the Trinity is not, not important. In my opinion. One does not need to understand it in much incredible amount of depth to become a part of the body of Christ. However, to deny it outright indicates that you are probably not a part of the body of Christ. But, one can also confirm the Trinity as being true and be a full blown child of Satan, like the pope for example. One of the indicators of a cult is their view of the Godhead.

Trinity is a combination of the words tri and unity. Tri-Unity. Trinity. Three in one. Three distinct person, who are inseparably one.

Tri-theism teaches 3 distinct God's who are not one.
Oneness teaches one God who appears to us in different modes, or forms.

Both of the above are completely wrong.

God is bigger than our understanding. He is both three persons and yet one entity always and at the same time.

Blessings,

Travis

 

[WaterRock]

Greetings WaterRock,
haven't found it yet but , "phasma" I'm not sure where that fits in? Happy to hear if you care to share, thanks.

As far as understanding, it is found in the knowledge of the Holy.

While I am not saying you don't, but in light that some can't perceive the precepts laid in Genesis then as written in 2 Cor 4:3, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:"
As Jesus said, or rather what Jesus inspired to be written in John 3:12, since all scripture comes from the inspiration of God.

When we refer to mankind I am fairly sure that most include the females as part of man. I'm fairly certain that most consider 'Adam' to mean 'man' though I think it means ruddy referring to blood.

Did anyone work out what or who etc Adam would understand or think or know was his flesh?

So when you hear all men are created equal, do you hear men or do you hear male and female?

 

[Curtis]

As far as understanding, it is found in the knowledge of the Holy.

While I am not saying you don't, but in light that some can't perceive the precepts laid in Genesis then as written in 2 Cor 4:3, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:"
As Jesus said, or rather what Jesus inspired to be written in John 3:12, since all scripture comes from the inspiration of God.



So when you hear all men are created equal, do you hear men or do you hear male and female?

When we speak of "mankind" that describes both man, and woman. Adam is the one who called what came from his side, "woman". A "woman" is a man with a "womb" hence "woman". Adam was not a combination of male female when he was created. Eve came from man so she a part of mankind, and created in the image of God.

 

[WaterRock]

When we speak of "mankind" that describes both man, and woman.

Consider that which is written 1 Cor 2:13 " Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, Matt 19:4

"Adam was not a combination of male female when he was created."
I simply stated Spirit and Word, I don't know how you would imagine Adam was a hermaphrodite, it is written it was God that said," Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
Moreover, it is written, "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Thank you WaterRock.
Interestingly,

Phasmatidae

Phasmatodea

Pink-winged phasma

Or from Matthew 14:6
And when the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

Bless you ....><>

 

[WaterRock]

If i was to select a passage it would be more like Deuteronomy 4:33 & 36.

When speaking of God's substance, being, form, many refer unto John 4:24 in which it is written God is a Spirit. Of course we all draw from our own knowledge and experiences, yet the term 'phasma' is generally defined in Latin resources to describe a demised being, a ghostly entity or apparition. However, I came across the term 'Phasma' as I was looking at some writings of the old debates and arguments used by science against the Biblical account given by Genesis during the time of famous trial of the public schools teacher charged for teaching evolution.

However, no matter the documents I could provide on the matter, it would still be a matter of interpretation just as the meaning of Spirit is interpreted differently. However when I say Phasma, I am speaking of a entity whose form is without mass. While science once said that all matter has mass and thus if something does not have mass then it didn't matter because if it doesn't have mass then it doesn't exist. However, photons matter and they don't have mass. But being a body of Light, the Phasma is not visible light which is denoted by the [c] being light that travels at the speed of light.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Heb 4:12

While the Truth is quick, being the Phasma is body of light that would be denoted as {c2}, so to speak.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,
thank you. Yes, I see that which you are saying, (writing). iC2.
Would it be true to liken the wind to this?
None of us have seen the wind but we have both seen and heard and therefore believe.

Bless you ....><>
An afterthought,
how could we describe the beauty of the Pink Winged Phasma (pictured above) to a child who is blind? ><>

 

[WaterRock]

Greetings,
thank you. Yes, I see that which you are saying, (writing). iC2.

Yes, but have you heard the voice of the Holy Ghost or do you consider it to symbolic reference?

Would it be true to liken the wind to this?
None of us have seen the wind but we have both seen and heard and therefore believe.

To answer the question in context in which it was asked, no man hath has seen, felt nor heard the wind at any time.
What men both see and hear, or feel is not the wind, but the motion of moving air molecules that are visible, audible
and felt by the flesh, being rudimentary elements of the physical world

If one knew where the winds came from and where the wind goes, they might have seen the lineman for the county.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

aye, but pressure may be an effect of pneumatic manifestation according to the will and way of the engineer who the linesman works with.

And if we attempt to split the wind, what doctor would provide?

He speaks and His hear.

We know wind and light and there is something quite unique about water, too.
Can we see what is tucked away in this?

Or these

that belong to no other?

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Psalm 74:16-17 The day is Thine, the night also is Thine: Thou hast prepared the light and the sun.
Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: Thou hast made summer and winter.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Acts 7:48-49 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of My rest?

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Ezekiel 43:5-7 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
And I heard Him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me. And He said unto me, Son of man, the place of My throne, and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and My holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

Yashab brings the 'at least one other' that I mentioned in an earlier post back into question.
Psalm 22:3 But Thou art holy, O Thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
John 8:13 The Pharisees therefore said unto Him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

arise and plead your own cause

Psalm 74:16-17 The day is Thine, the night also is Thine: Thou hast prepared the light and the sun.
Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: Thou hast made summer and winter.
John 8:14-16 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of Myself, yet My record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, My judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent Me.

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me.

In fact, there are many more than 3, and yet all are One
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Bless you ....><>

 

[WaterRock]

Greetings,
aye, but pressure may be an effect of pneumatic manifestation according to the will and way of the engineer who the linesman works with.

While it sounds as if you are trying to say that the air molecules are moving because of the Spirit? Can you give a definition of what a Spirit is in your opinion since the one cited most often is that the term Spirit is derived from the 'pnuema' meaning 'air' or breath, 'wind'. However the term 'spirit' or 'pnuema' has been defined by science as ionized gas, or plasma. Moreover, since plasma is chemical based light, they argument is that which is now the fourth state of matter.

If the OT says God formed man of dust and 'pnuema' then it obviously would have required water as Jesus said, unless a man is born of water and the Spirit. So was the OT in error, and if so....

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.AA
And yet he says in John 8:23 I am not of this world. John 8:23

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.1 John 4:12
Did they see Jesus?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Tim 3:16
Jesus said his sheep his his voice?

Psalm 74:16-17 The day is Thine, the night also is Thine: Thou hast prepared the light and the sun.
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9-10
And God said let there be light. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.Gen 1:5

Bless you ....><>

 

[Shutterbug]

Like all of us, I do not have a clear understanding of the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; that which we call God. Paul described it as viewing through a dark glass; we get an uncertain image presented to us. Sabellius proposed the concept of modalism a century before the Council at Nicocea which was convened to deal with several distinct teachings at the time. I have had several discussions with a Oneness Pentecostal person in particular who teaches that God himself left his throne to live on the earth and die on the cross. If I were to take "one God" literally, I would have to seriously consider this philosophy as being the only correct one. I do not believe that God is polytheistic.

Scripture says that Man was created in the image of God. What exactly does that mean? Personally, I feel that we were created with certain elements of God's nature. What exactly does the spirit or Spirit of God mean? Personally, I believe the term means the nature of God. I'd like to be able to say that the Holy Spirit is God's holy nature, his essence of what He is about. Jesus was the Son of God, described as the express image of God, God in the flesh, and the body of the Godhead. God, is the Father, a sprit. All things were created through and for Christ Jesus (if I have that right). Not so simple any more.

I doubt that it truly matters if we have a perfect understanding of what God is exactly made of, or how the three physically relate to each other. What is important is how the three relate to us and more importantly, how we relate to them. Getting caught up such details make for a great academic discussion, but it doesn't win souls. Left unchecked, it creates division within believers and ultimately within the Body. The Church is to be the bride to the Lamb. Again, not so simple any more.

Any how, Guys and Gals, I'm off to work to play with other boys and girls for a few hours. Have a great day and God love ya for allowing an old sailor a wee say. Phil 4:8. Cheers, John

 

[Byfaith]

I doubt that it truly matters if we have a perfect understanding of what God is exactly made of, or how the three physically relate to each other. What is important is how the three relate to us and more importantly, how we relate to them. Getting caught up such details make for a great academic discussion, but it doesn't win souls. Left unchecked, it creates division within believers and ultimately within the Body. The Church is to be the bride to the Lamb. Again, not so simple any more.

For some, it's life or death, they get that upset over what view you take. Even splits churches. Now something that does not bring together, I have to ask if any of these doctrines help at all. It's mans concept on how to understand God and mans fear of being labeled a polytheist if they are a Christian.

Does it matter? Had John not written what He had written, I would be fine. In 3 places we are told Jesus is God, even the Father called him God. The issue I have is that the Antichrist denies the Father and Son. Now that makes two.

John said it was Jesus Christ that came in the flesh, Not his Father as Oneness believers. Jesus said those that overcome can sit on my throne, as I sat on my Fathers. Well if there are two thrones, then both should be respected and not lumped into ONE THRONE.

Jesus said my Father is greater than I. He may have been a man, in a Man's body, but Let's get this straight. It was Jesus that came in the flesh, and it was Jesus whom the Father gave glory to before the foundation of the World. It was Jesus that said he has seen the Father, been with the father and If He said His Father is greater, then he would know. He was always there. Who are we to say different or say He lied.

Though Trinitarians, Modalist, Oneness like to fight with each other, after you do their math, it still comes up ONE. How can you not get along if you come up with the same answer? 100-99 is 1 and 10-9 is 1.

I personally can count. In 52 scriptures the Father and Son are mentioned together. Paul said to use there are TWO, Paul also counted just 2. Now if I can count, and Paul can count, I don't think it all that hard that others can also count.

 

[Shutterbug]

For some, it's life or death, they get that upset over what view you take. Even splits churches. Now something that does not bring together, I have to ask if any of these doctrines help at all. It's mans concept on how to understand God and mans fear of being labeled a polytheist if they are a Christian.

Does it matter? Had John not written what He had written, I would be fine. In 3 places we are told Jesus is God, even the Father called him God. The issue I have is that the Antichrist denies the Father and Son. Now that makes two.

John said it was Jesus Christ that came in the flesh, Not his Father as Oneness believers. Jesus said those that overcome can sit on my throne, as I sat on my Fathers. Well if there are two thrones, then both should be respected and not lumped into ONE THRONE.

Jesus said my Father is greater than I. He may have been a man, in a Man's body, but Let's get this straight. It was Jesus that came in the flesh, and it was Jesus whom the Father gave glory to before the foundation of the World. It was Jesus that said he has seen the Father, been with the father and If He said His Father is greater, then he would know. He was always there. Who are we to say different or say He lied.

Though Trinitarians, Modalist, Oneness like to fight with each other, after you do their math, it still comes up ONE. How can you not get along if you come up with the same answer? 100-99 is 1 and 10-9 is 1.

I personally can count. In 52 scriptures the Father and Son are mentioned together. Paul said to use there are TWO, Paul also counted just 2. Now if I can count, and Paul can count, I don't think it all that hard that others can also count.

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I agree that's the theory. In Modalism, God bounces between the three roles as required. In Oneness, God bounces, but can do all three at once. The Trinity, or Triune concept is all three all the time yet still as one Lord without any division in purpose. He is God and can do whatever He wants. To me, there is no division in purpose, plan, or deed. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are united as one Lord, one God, one Master.

I know of one chap who has a website and several exclusive and largely inactive forums which are markedly devoted to tearing down trinitarians for being false Christian scum. He claims that trinitarians believe in three gods. He also goes on to select scripture such as 1 John 5:7, which he claims the latter uses as justification for their polytheism. This chap is the exception as historically he has had difficulty getting along with other Oneness believers for reasons which are not entirely clear. I've had friendly discussions with other Oneness followers, but they essentially hold the same POV that trinitarians are headed to Hell. Personally, I think we all hold that POV regarding others because of their denominational and certainly religious differences.

The point about Father, Son and Holy Spirit according to Scripture is about unity as no division (other than identity) exists. An example is husband and wife living as one flesh. The two are unique to each other, but there must be no division in purpose and deed to exist as one. Under the Old Covenant, believing in one God was simple. Not so much under the New Covenant which adds to the mix. I don't have a perfectly clear understanding and I doubt it really matters as long as I understand that if I want God in charge, I must do so through his Son, and utilize the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I must learn to get along with my brothers and sisters and prevent division from appearing. And, I must share that with others to bring them into the Family. I can't do it any other way. And, that's all we really need to know. Some day we will know without a doubt, but that's in another life. Cheers, John

 

[WaterRock]

I know of one chap who has a website and several exclusive and largely inactive forums which are markedly devoted to tearing down trinitarians for being false Christian scum. He claims that trinitarians believe in three gods. He also goes on to select scripture such as 1 John 5:7, which he claims the latter uses as justification for their polytheism.

Could you please provide the name of that website?

In the name

While it is my opinion that the interpretation of Matthew 28:19 as expressed by the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity is in error regarding the message of the Gospel, which is the basis upon which the doctrine is based. However, it is not an expression of faith but a law which the imposes upon those follow the Catholic teaching are required to follow. In addition, it decrees that those who do not accept their doctrine are accursed of God and heretics of Faith. Since I hold to the faith of individual liberty as expressed in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution in all matters expressed therein, including religion, thus I would submit that the question of who is accursed of God and heretics of Faith isn't subject to the judgment of the man but his Creator.

Since the basis of the Catholic doctrine is based upon Matthew 28:18 wherein it is written in the King James version;

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, [link to the Vatican website] it states the following:

232 Christians are baptized "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" *
Before receiving the sacrament, they respond to a three-part question when asked to
confess the Father, the Son and the Spirit: "I do." "The faith of all Christians rests on the Trinity." **
* 53 Mt 28:19.
** 54 St. Caesarius of Arles, Sermo 9, Exp. symb.:CCL 103,47.​

I have asked in the name of the LORD if anyone can state the names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, however my faith rests in my Creator
and in such the silence to my question is sufficient. 1 Peter 3:15. Thus in Matthew 28:19, it continues as written;

"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary." *
"Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being,
for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son
he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son." **
They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates,
the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."***
* Fides Damasi: DS 71.
** Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:25.
*** Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.
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So who is the father of man who is called Jesus Christ. According to the scriptures in Mt. 1:18, Mt 1:20, it was the Holy Ghost, but it seems that I have conclude for now, but I did provide a link above in case you have not actually read the doctrine itself.

 

[Travis]

God forbid if He is a Polytheist and thinks there is a Actual Father and Son both God. That is Hersey.

Would it be even more Hersey if that same man believes in a third person that is God too?

 

[Byfaith]

Would it be even more Hersey if that same man believes in a third person that is God too?

Well, Trinity States there are 3 God's, but really after the math, there is just 1 God a Mystery of Christian faith. The Holy Spirit by the Greek Definition of Theos is God, or a god. He gives us access to the Father, comforter, and does not speak on his own, but testifies of Jesus only. The problem with us humans is we want to put value on things. If the Holy Spirit is not God, then the Holy Spirit must not be as important as God. So we have to take 3 beings we call God and mash them into one being just in case we leave someone out of the mix.

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, He owns the Holy Spirit comprised of 7 personalities such as "I Wisdom" and if anyone has that sorted to say there is only 3, or there are just 1 and miss the 7 distinct personalities of the Holy Spirit then good for them. Paul said to us there are only two, The father and Son. Anything more complicated than that is beyond me, and How the Holy Spirit works in all His dynamic personalities is also past my grasp.

 

[Curtis]

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, He owns the Holy Spirit comprised of 7 personalities such as "I Wisdom" and if anyone has that sorted to say there is only 3, or there are just 1 and miss the 7 distinct personalities of the Holy Spirit then good for them. Paul said to us there are only two, The father and Son. Anything more complicated than that is beyond me, and How the Holy Spirit works in all His dynamic personalities is also past my grasp.

There is no such a thing as "7" personalities of the Holy Spirit!!