Pentecostal Christians worldwide under the baptize of the Holy Spirit

[Curtis]

Man has no responsibility to guard and keep their faith,

Faith is not a one-size-fits-all-all kind of thing. Every promise found in scripture brings with that promise the needed faith to cause it to be a reality in a person's life. Saving faith is not the same as faith for healing the body, that requires healing faith that comes from healing scriptures. Faith is specific to the promise(s) from which it comes. You can have faith in your salvation and have "zero" faith in all other areas.

 

[Charlie24]

Just think about it. You are totally "faithless" when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit and baptism of the Holy Spirit yet God has remained faithful to you because He can not deny himself who is living in you and you in him. You should be thankful for 2 Tim 2:13.

I'm thankful for the many warnings I have from God to guard my faith and hold on to it to the very end of my life.

I plan above all things to do as Paul did.

2 Tim. 4:6-8

"For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH:

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

 

[Bill]

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I have always believed that passage was talking about Judas. If you will notice, the man defending himself states, " i cast out demons in your name, i healed people in your name" and then the King states, " away from me, i never knew you"

Now we could argue, that the King ( God the Father) always knew that Judas would fail. And i know you would be correct, as the Father knows everything.

I would put it along with the mystery of God, beyond my understanding.

Yet i also know, our free will is a moment by moment experience. We actually see this in reverse with the Thief hanging on the cross with Jesus. Because up to that moment, he was not saved, and in an instant, with his compassion for Jesus (faith without love is like a gong clanging in the wind). The thiefs compassion to Jesus saved him.

Judas's failure came from not having compassion, no love. We see this truth when Judas confronts the woman about using the perfume. And the fact he stole money from the purse.

 

[Bill]

Faith is not a one-size-fits-all-all kind of thing. Every promise found in scripture brings with that promise the needed faith to cause it to be a reality in a person's life. Saving faith is not the same as faith for healing the body, that requires healing faith that comes from healing scriptures. Faith is specific to the promise(s) from which it comes. You can have faith in your salvation and have "zero" faith in all other areas.

It is not faith alone, it can not be. Paul tells us, faith alone is like a gong clanging in the wind. Also, faith only brings us to Jesus, but our fulfilment comes from accepting Jesus (Jesus who is God and God is Love) so when you accept Jesus you open your heart to Love

 

[Bill]

Bill. the is a monumental moment, we agree on something!!!

Actually there is a lot we agree on. I can see your heart and your great love for God i am happy for you

 

[Curtis]

I'm thankful for the many warnings I have from God to guard my faith and hold on to it to the very end of my life.

I plan above all things to do as Paul did.

2 Tim. 4:6-8

"For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH:

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

Every single person who has been "born of God" has already overcome this world which is by faith. The faith a Christian has who overcomes did not come from that person it is Jesus's faith that he gave unto us. If Jesus had not first overcome this world by His faith nobody's faith could overcome!

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith!

 

[Bill]

As a general rule the Pentecostals believe as I do on OSAS, but Curtis doesn't claim to be a Pentecostal.

You know, it is ok, if you look at Curtis's heart, you will see God there too.

Not everyone believes the same, but there is still One God, and all will know the truth in the end.

By the way, i feel very close to the Pentecostals, even though i follow the catholic teaching on the Eucharist.

 

[Charlie24]

Every single person who has been "born of God" has already overcome this world which is by faith. The faith a Christian has who overcomes did not come from that person it is Jesus's faith that he gave unto us. If Jesus had not first overcome this world by His faith nobody's faith could overcome!

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith!

Why do you think Paul tells us in his letters, "examine yourself to see if you are in the faith?"

 

[Curtis]

Judas's failure came from not having compassion, no love.

Jesus loved Judas and gave him every opportunity to believe in him. Sadly he never did.
Jesus even said that the one who would betray him would have been better off for him to never have been born!

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

 

[Bill]

Just like all the other OSAS crowd.

Man has no responsibility to guard and keep their faith, no need for it, God takes care of everything.

It's going to be to late when you hear, "depart from me,"

Can you expand on this some, it is unclear to me your full meaning

 

[Charlie24]

Jesus loved Judas and gave him every opportunity to believe in him. Sadly he never did.
Jesus even said that the one who would betray him would have been better off for him to never have been born!

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Does the Scripture say Judas was never saved or is it man's doctrine of OSAS that says it?

 

[Bill]

Jesus loved Judas and gave him every opportunity to believe in him. Sadly he never did.
Jesus even said that the one who would betray him would have been better off for him to never have been born!

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

I fully understand what you are saying, but it was Jesus who stated thier ( the Apostles) names were written in heaven

 

[Bill]

Jesus loved Judas and gave him every opportunity to believe in him. Sadly he never did.
Jesus even said that the one who would betray him would have been better off for him to never have been born!

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

I have my bible in the truck, i will dig it up for you if you want to see it

 

[Curtis]

Why do you think Paul tells us in his letters, "examine yourself to see if you are in the faith?"

There is such a thing called "fake faith" and there is "genuine faith" Fake faith can not decern Christ being in that person. Genuine has no problems knowing that Jesus Christ is in them and knowing that Jesus is their life!

 

[Charlie24]

Can you expand on this some, it is unclear to me your full meaning

In order for osas to be true, man can in no way lose his faith, right?

It is faith in the finished work of Christ that saves us, and keeps us saved.

This came from Calvinism, Calvin said God chooses who will be saved and man has nothing to say about it.

So, if man has no free will to choose Christ, he has no free will to turn from Christ.

The result is osas.

If man has no choice to believe, as Calvin said, then he has no responsibility to guard the faith given him.

This is the bottom line of osas.

 

[Curtis]

I fully understand what you are saying, but it was Jesus who stated thier ( the Apostles) names were written in heaven

Anybody can have "works" without having faith. Happens every day.

 

[Curtis]

I have my bible in the truck, i will dig it up for you if you want to see it

Why?

 

[Charlie24]

There is such a thing called "fake faith" and there is "genuine faith" Fake faith can not decern Christ being in that person. Genuine has no problems knowing that Jesus Christ is in them and knowing that Jesus is their life!

Everything is an argument with us, Curtis. Let's call if a day, ok.

 

[Bill]

The Pentecostals in my opinion are better for thier acceptance of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Thier failure as a church only comes from the silly notion, there are only 7 gifts. And many diassociate the Old Testiment spiritual experiences as if they are not done in the Holy Spirit.

Unfortunately, most churches also follow these faulse notions.

Another area all churches have issues with, to think that those walking in darkness have thier own gifts. Understand, All Gifts come from the Holy Spirit, even Lucifer was given the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. But as with the devil, he always corrupts. So those who walk in darkness do use the Gifts, but those Gifts have been corrupted.

 

[Bill]

Why?

I just thought you might like to see the passage for yourself, how the spripture states the names of all the apostles. And what is really interesting, Judas full name is used. He was the only one whose full name was used