Pentecostal Christians worldwide under the baptize of the Holy Spirit

[Bill]

Judas believed in the beginning just as the other 11. They all believed Christ came to over throw Rome just as Moses was used by God to over throw Egypt and set them free.

There's no way Judas could have been sent out by Christ with the other 11, 2 by 2 performing miracles and not saved.

Exactly, especially when it comes to removing demons. Jesus himself States that only if you're with God can you do that. And we know in Scripture, that man himself cannot cast out a demon and that's shown in the Acts of the Apostles. We're a man tried to cast a demon out by himself and the demon throttled him.

This shows us that Judas had to have the power of Jesus in him to be able to cast out the demons. Also in scripture we know that it states that Satan entered Judas and that was about the time of The Last Supper.

 

[Charlie24]

Exactly, especially when it comes to removing demons. Jesus himself States that only if you're with God can you do that. And we know in Scripture, that man himself cannot cast out a demon and that's shown in the Acts of the Apostles. We're a man tried to cast a demon out by himself and the demon throttled him.

This shows us that Judas had to have the power of Jesus in him to be able to cast out the demons. Also in scripture we know that it states that Satan entered Judas and that was about the time of The Last Supper.

Bill. the is a monumental moment, we agree on something!!!

 

[Charlie24]

Bill. the is a monumental moment, we agree on something!!!

The real issue with Judas is the OSAS thing.

They will not accept the fact that Judas lost his salvation!

 

[Curtis]

There's no way Judas could have been sent out by Christ with the other 11, 2 by 2 performing miracles and not saved.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Charlie24]

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The question to be answered from those verses is this.

Did these people, as Judas, start out with the correct faith?

Did they, as Judas, lose that faith later?

Concerning this the apostle Paul said to the Galatians,

Gal. 5:7

"Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?"

 

[Curtis]

Judas believed in the beginning just as the other 11. They all believed Christ came to over throw Rome just as Moses was used by God to over throw Egypt and set them free.

There's no way Judas could have been sent out by Christ with the other 11, 2 by 2 performing miracles and not saved.

What does John 6:64 say?

It says Jesus knew from the beginning who would not believe in him and also betray him.

 

[Curtis]

Did these people, as Judas, start out with the correct faith?

Not according to scripture.

 

[Curtis]

Gal. 5:7

"Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?"

Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Hindering is not completely stopping a person. Even Paul was hindered by satan in delivering the Gospel but he pushed through on anyway.

1Th 2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

 

[Charlie24]

Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Paul was referring to the Judaists coming to the Galatian Church saying that one must be circumcised according to the Law of Moses to be saved.

That cancelled their salvation!!! Paul told them, "did you receive the Holy Spirit by the works of the Law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Paul was saying that they "ran well" and now to believe this they have cancelled their salvation.

 

[Curtis]

Paul was referring to the Judaists coming to the Galatian Church saying that one must be circumcised according to the Law of Moses to be saved.

That cancelled their salvation!!! Paul told them, "did you receive the Holy Spirit by the works of the Law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Paul was saying that they "ran well" and now to believe this they have cancelled their salvation.

That is not true. Even if a believer becomes "faithless" God still remains faithful as He can not deny Himself who is living in them.

2Ti 2:13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

 

[Charlie24]

That is not true. Even if a believer becomes "faithless" God still remains faithful as He can not deny Himself who is living in them.

2Ti 2:13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

That's a lie straight from the pits of hell!!! It has sent untold millions to hell!!!

Hebrews 3:14

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

Do you see that little word "IF?"

 

[Curtis]

That's a lie straight from the pits of hell!!! It has sent untold millions to hell!!!

Hebrews 3:14

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

Do you see that little word "IF?"

I guess you will have to bring that up to God in your prayer time as to why 2 Tim 2:13 is from hell.

 

[B-A-C]

This is an interesting discussion. A Pentecostal that believes in OSAS. and a non-Pentecostal who doesn't!

The largest Pentecostal denomination says...

https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Assurance-Of-Salvation

But, the Bible also teaches that believers who have accepted Christ as Savior can be lost if they repeatedly disregard the teachings of Scripture, continue to resist the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and finally reach the point where they have turned away from their Savior. Jesus makes that point in the Parable of the Sower where, speaking of some who have become believers, He said, “They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away” (Luke 8:13). The writer of Hebrews wrote soberly of believers “who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away” (Hebrews 6:4–6).

 

[Charlie24]

I guess you will have to bring that up to God in your prayer time as to why 2 Tim 2:13 is from hell.

Just like all the other OSAS crowd.

Man has no responsibility to guard and keep their faith, no need for it, God takes care of everything.

It's going to be to late when you hear, "depart from me,"

 

[Charlie24]

This is an interesting discussion. A Pentecostal that believes in OSAS. and a non-Pentecostal who doesn't!

The largest Pentecostal denomination says...

https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Assurance-Of-Salvation

As a general rule the Pentecostals believe as I do on OSAS, but Curtis doesn't claim to be a Pentecostal.

 

[B-A-C]

As a general rule the Pentecostals believe as I do on OSAS, but Curtis doesn't claim to be a Pentecostal.

No they do not. Foursquare does not. Assemblies of God does not ( it's part of their official doctrine ). God of God does not.

Pentecostal can be a denomination, but usually it just means someone who speaks in tongues and believes the gifts of the Spirit are still active.

 

[Charlie24]

No they do not. Foursquare does not. Assemblies of God does not ( it's part of their official doctrine ). God of God does not.

Pentecostal can be a denomination, but usually it just means someone who speaks in tongues and believes the gifts of the Spirit are still active.

All the Pentecostals I know, which are few, do not believe in osas.

The ones I know follow Jimmy Swaggart and I know for a fact he doesn't believe osas.

 

[B-A-C]

All the Pentecostals I know, which are few, do not believe in osas.

The ones I know follow Jimmy Swaggart and I know for a fact he doesn't believe osas.

Ok, I think I read your first message wrong...

As a general rule the Pentecostals believe as I do on OSAS

I thought this was saying they do.

 

[Charlie24]

Ok, I think I read your first message wrong...



I thought this was saying they do.

How many times have I done that, I can't begin to count, lol.

 

[Curtis]

Just like all the other OSAS crowd.

Man has no responsibility to guard and keep their faith, no need for it, God takes care of everything.

It's going to be to late when you hear, "depart from me,"

Just think about it. You are totally "faithless" when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit and baptism of the Holy Spirit yet God has remained faithful to you because He can not deny himself who is living in you and you in him. You should be thankful for 2 Tim 2:13.