Pentecostal Christians worldwide under the baptize of the Holy Spirit

[MedicBravo]

LOL. You haven't laid hands on anyone and seen the Biblical results of the gift of miracles and you haven't seen anyone else do it either!

God does it everyday, but not by the laying on of hands by man as we see in Scripture!

Him?
He is a False Teacher and a Prosperity Gospel PIMP.
Any time he opens his blasphemous mouth he does "Pause for Effect" which shows he can NOT entice true responses from people.

 

[Charlie24]

My friend, if I can intervene between you and Charlie for a moment.

You're both saying the same thing. It's just that one person's understanding is a little bit different than the others. Charlie believes in prayer, and doesn't have a full knowledge of the Holy Spirit. But that isn't really that necessary, because he believes in prayer which is the same thing as asking the Holy Spirit who is also God to heal people. The laying on of hands you're still asking God to do something. It's not something that we ourselves have the capability of doing it is God working through us and in prayer we do it.

I hope you can see what I'm trying to say. But even though he doesn't " lay hands on" , the truth is in fact he does lay hands on, it's just in prayer.

Prayer itself is a Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Anything in Scripture can be taken out of context, and that's often the case.

There is a huge gulf between praying for something and leaving it in the hands of God and the way the 1st century believers performed miracles.

Some here on TJ have a blurred vision of what I'm talking about.

 

[Charlie24]

Him?
He is a False Teacher and a Prosperity Gospel PIMP.
Any time he opens his blasphemous mouth he does "Pause for Effect" which shows he can NOT entice true responses from people.

That's what I treasure, someone willing to put words in my mouth confident they're speaking my heart!

 

[Bill]

If those "miracles" happened as that person suggests it does then it's not a miracle.
They are RARE.
Reminder what God says about a lying tongue.

The movement of the Holy Spirit happens all the time. I mean everyone in the world has things happening. It's just that we don't recognize these Miracles as being miracles.

A simple example, I see it as a miracle anyways. I had a house fire back in November. I have a picture from maybe a month and a half before it shows my wedding album and my dad's scrapbooks sitting on a bookshelf near where the fire started. It was an electrical fire in the wall. I also have a picture of that corner of the house where there's absolutely nothing left.

I thought for sure that those things were gone.

Yet I found the wedding album in a closet that it had no business being in. And I found my dad's scrap albums in my dresser drawer upstairs where I knew they were not.

My wife tells me I have Alzheimer's, or the beginnings of. But I can guarantee you my memory is quite clear especially on those things. So somebody moved him and it wasn't me and it wasn't my wife.

It's may seem like a simple thing to you, and it may seem like it's not even really so important. Yet I have them, and I'm thankful. I only see it as a miracle.

 

[Charlie24]

Curtis, I have to back out of this conversation before I say something I'll later regret!

I wish you the best, Brother!

 

[Bill]

Anything in Scripture can be taken out of context, and that's often the case.

There is a huge gulf between praying for something and leaving it in the hands of God and the way the 1st century believers performed miracles.

Some here on TJ have a blurred vision of what I'm talking about.

Those big fancy miracles that we read in Scripture, are there for us to understand about how great Miracles can be.

But if you look at the life of Elijah, and you look at when he's on the mountain Waiting for God to pass by. What did Elijah find God in, it was the Whispering Wind.

I'm not saying that God isn't all of the big fancy miracles, because He certainly is. What I'm trying to say is that God is also in the small things, and it's even more so in the small things that people's hearts are changed.

As i stated earlier, i look into a heart to find the true person.

It's like when I look into you and Curtis, you are both children of God. Even though your perspectives are a little bit different, it doesn't stop God from having you as his children.

 

[Charlie24]

Those big fancy miracles that we read in Scripture, are there for us to understand about how great Miracles can be.

But if you look at the life of Elijah, and you look at when he's on the mountain Waiting for God to pass by. What did Elijah find God in, it was the Whispering Wind.

I'm not saying that God isn't all of the big fancy miracles, because He certainly is. What I'm trying to say is that God is also in the small things, and it's even more so in the small things that people's hearts are changed.

As i stated earlier, i look into a heart to find the true person.

It's like when I look into you and Curtis, you are both children of God. Even though your perspectives are a little bit different, it doesn't stop God from having you as his children.

No it doesn't effect our salvation and we are both Brother's in Christ.

But it sure will effect the fellowship among the Brethren!

 

[Curtis]

Everything comes down to believing what the scriptures says. the faith needed to believe scripture does not come from any external source but only from the word of God himself who spoke it. This makes faith to believe easy since I am not the source of my faith. What is hard about faith is my free will choice to choose to believe what it declares and not what other people have tried and not been successful ,which concludes it has been done away with and have ceased. This kind of thinking is only based on the flesh and not the eternal word.

God never changes his ways are eternal. God is still in the business of miracles, and now he has invited his Church to co labour to gether with him to bring in many sons to Glory.

We can of our own self’s do nothing, but we can do all through Jesus Christ who just so happens be our new life. Jesus is still performing miracles today as he did in his incarnation but now through many. This is the “greater” works that Jesus spoke of that we would do who believe.

 

[Bill]

Everything comes down to believing what the scriptures says. the faith needed to believe scripture does not come from any external source but only from the word of God himself who spoke it. This makes faith to believe easy since I am not the source of my faith. What is hard about faith is my free will choice to choose to believe what it declares and not what other people have tried and not been successful ,which concludes it has been done away with and have ceased. This kind of thinking is only based on the flesh and not the eternal word.

God never changes his ways are eternal. God is still in the business of miracles, and now he has invited his Church to co labour to gether with him to bring in many sons to Glory.

We can of our own self’s do nothing, but we can do all through Jesus Christ who just so happens be our new life. Jesus is still performing miracles today as he did in his incarnation but now through many. This is the “greater” works that Jesus spoke of that we would do who believe.

I am curious, how can you determine if another person's ways are not also of the Lord? If a person says that they do things in the Lord that you do not understand, can you automatically make the decision because you do not understand it as being not of the Lord?

As an example I talk about going out of my body, my spirit leaving my body to go do things for the Lord. Now you may not have an understanding of that nor is it very clear in the scripture, yet there are instances in the scripture that shows this very thing. Two kings 5:26 where Elisha is speaking into a servant saying that he was there at the time of the transaction that his servant did with the man who came for the healing of leprosy. ( Elisha had taken nothing from the man to heal the leprosy, but his servant felt that he should have gotten some compensation. So the servant went and got compensation for the healing that was done through Elisha)

This is only one of a few passages in the scripture that talk about out of the body experiences. Another person cannot see you in this case, but they are completely aware of what's going on around them.

So you see there are things that go on in the scripture that you may clearly miss if you're not aware of what it is it's talking about.

 

[MedicBravo]

The movement of the Holy Spirit happens all the time. I mean everyone in the world has things happening. It's just that we don't recognize these Miracles as being miracles.

A simple example, I see it as a miracle anyways. I had a house fire back in November. I have a picture from maybe a month and a half before it shows my wedding album and my dad's scrapbooks sitting on a bookshelf near where the fire started. It was an electrical fire in the wall. I also have a picture of that corner of the house where there's absolutely nothing left.

I thought for sure that those things were gone.

Yet I found the wedding album in a closet that it had no business being in. And I found my dad's scrap albums in my dresser drawer upstairs where I knew they were not.

My wife tells me I have Alzheimer's, or the beginnings of. But I can guarantee you my memory is quite clear especially on those things. So somebody moved him and it wasn't me and it wasn't my wife.

It's may seem like a simple thing to you, and it may seem like it's not even really so important. Yet I have them, and I'm thankful. I only see it as a miracle.

You can have an opinion like anyone else but the definition of miracle does not include "common, regular, normal".

 

[Bill]

You can have an opinion like anyone else but the definition of miracle does not include "common, regular, normal".

Really? What is the Inception and birth of a child, is that regular? What is the experience of a person who hates everything and then finds love and turns around completely the other way? Is that regular?

I think the romanticism of what is great in the eyes of some needs to be brought down to real levels. Because those things that you think are normal like birth, or the person who changes from a life of hate to a life of love. These are the greatest miracles.

 

[Curtis]

I am curious, how can you determine if another person's ways are not also of the Lord?

Does it align up with known revealed scripture?

 

[Curtis]

As an example I talk about going out of my body, my spirit leaving my body to go do things for the Lord. Now you may not have an understanding of that nor is it very clear in the scripture

Paul said…..

Col 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
Col 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

This is normal Christian activity. How else is some able to come to the throne of grace that is not in this world?

 

[MedicBravo]

Really? What is the Inception and birth of a child, is that regular? What is the experience of a person who hates everything and then finds love and turns around completely the other way? Is that regular?

I think the romanticism of what is great in the eyes of some needs to be brought down to real levels. Because those things that you think are normal like birth, or the person who changes from a life of hate to a life of love. These are the greatest miracles.

Still not a miracle by objective definition.
How we reproduce IS normal and regular. Not all who become parents think their child or spouse is a miracle.
You, I and everyone else has no emotional or other investment in some random person's birth or death.
God changed me from who I used to be and the entirety of it is lost through text.
Even if I made a fancy PowerPoint and visual movie like video on my life and change you still couldn't "feel" what I have just like any person.
It wasn't a miracle but for me what God did was the best thing in my life.
"An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God."

Again, they are not common place.

 

[Bill]

Still not a miracle by objective definition.
How we reproduce IS normal and regular. Not all who become parents think their child or spouse is a miracle.
You, I and everyone else has no emotional or other investment in some random person's birth or death.
God changed me from who I used to be and the entirety of it is lost through text.
Even if I made a fancy PowerPoint and visual movie like video on my life and change you still couldn't "feel" what I have just like any person.
It wasn't a miracle but for me what God did was the best thing in my life.
"An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God."

Again, they are not common place.

So you like the fancy things. But the problem is are you even aware of God's presence when the fancy ones are there. As an example the light show that's going on over the United States right now. It has more meaning than many people know, it is something of the Lord, a warning

 

[Bill]

Does it align up with known revealed scripture?

I know many things that are in Scripture that are not revealed because people don't want to listen. As an example many people are into the once saved always saved thinking. Yet right in Scripture we see Judas whose name was written in heaven. Jesus says this himself. And then he loses it, his place in heaven by throwing it away. Nobody wants to read that nobody wants to understand what that scripture is because they're so stuck on stupidity.

 

[Curtis]

I know many things that are in Scripture that are not revealed because people don't want to listen. As an example many people are into the once saved always saved thinking. Yet right in Scripture we see Judas whose name was written in heaven. Jesus says this himself. And then he loses it, his place in heaven by throwing it away. Nobody wants to read that nobody wants to understand what that scripture is because they're so stuck on stupidity.

John 6:64 But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.)

Judas never believed in Jesus and Jesus knew it from the beginning.

 

[Bill]

John 6:64 But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.)

Judas never believed in Jesus and Jesus knew it from the beginning.

That's not what Jesus said,. Jesus said and I quote, "Rejoice that your names are written in heaven" this was talking to the apostles after they returned from healing people and casting out demons. And the scripture specifically States the names of the 12 apostles including Judas iscariot's full name.

 

[Curtis]

That's not what Jesus said,. Jesus said and I quote, "Rejoice that your names are written in heaven" this was talking to the apostles after they returned from healing people and casting out demons. And the scripture specifically States the names of the 12 apostles including Judas iscariot's full name.

John 6:64 But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.)

Who betrayed Jesus? The same person who betrayed Jesus (Judas) also never believed in Jesus.

These are not my words!

 

[Charlie24]

John 6:64 But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.)

Who betrayed Jesus? The same person who betrayed Jesus (Judas) also never believed in Jesus.

These are not my words!

Judas believed in the beginning just as the other 11. They all believed Christ came to over throw Rome just as Moses was used by God to over throw Egypt and set them free.

There's no way Judas could have been sent out by Christ with the other 11, 2 by 2 performing miracles and not saved.