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Praying in the Spirit Romans 8: 26 -30

Then why do I and others have the testimony that we do or have done these things. A thing that is for a believer then is also for a believer now. There is no difference between us and them. It's all spiritual so what changed that takes it away from us and makes it only for them?
But like I said those that do not have the testimony will always speak against it because they do not have it.



Scripture never says on a REGULAR BASIS, Paul couldn't do that himself from prison and he's the one that wrote the verse. It is always best to let the babe in Christ
be taught by the Lord first, then they can venture out and see if there even is a congregation that knows the truth. 1 John 2:26-27 is a warning and it should
be heeded by all of us as we come to the close of the first death.


Just because some believers Do speak in tongues doesn't mean it's something that All believers Should be able To do. Those people - at that time in Scripture - Were given those abilities to set them apart to be able to Be recognized by others. I haves no desire To speak in tongues or To caste out demons -- we Are told to stay away From demon activities. Because it Is dangerous. Back in That day - in That area there was a lot of demonic possession activity. So they were given that ability because it was Needed at that time. So - no - I'm Not jealous of anyone who Has done either of those things.


And -- in a normal set of circumstances -- we Are to meet together on a regular basis. Because That passage says there were those who were Not doing so and they needed To.
 
we Are told to stay away From demon activities. Because it Is dangerous.

Just curious.. who says this? I don't think it's something to go looking for, but it's nothing to be afraid of.
 
Just because some believers Do speak in tongues doesn't mean it's something that All believers Should be able To do. Those people - at that time in Scripture - Were given those abilities to set them apart to be able to Be recognized by others. I haves no desire To speak in tongues or To caste out demons -- we Are told to stay away From demon activities. Because it Is dangerous. Back in That day - in That area there was a lot of demonic possession activity. So they were given that ability because it was Needed at that time. So - no - I'm Not jealous of anyone who Has done either of those things.


And -- in a normal set of circumstances -- we Are to meet together on a regular basis. Because That passage says there were those who were Not doing so and they needed To.

Luke 10:19 "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
Luke 10:20 "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that THE SPIRITS ARE SUBJECT UNTO YOU; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
See the connection between the spirits being subject unto you and your name written in heaven? Can't see anything here that says I should be afraid of them, but
rather it says they are subject unto me, according to Jesus my Lord.

As far as praying in tongues goes you'll have to argue with the Bible itself, it is in there in Mark 16:17-18. And Paul even says that he thanks God that he prays
in tongues more than ye all. Either the whole Bible is right or it's wrong. Can't pick what part we want and toss the part we just don't agree with or twist it because
we don't do what it says we should.

As far as gathering together goes. Speaking from my personal experience he will send me wherever he wants me to go, when he wants me to go, and that has
only happened once in the last 15 or so years. On occasion I might go somewhere with someone that just needs a bit of encouragement but I usually am quite
disappointed in what I hear. Much less a 20-30 minute sermon just doesn't teach much, and most times it's just absolutely wrong.
In my reading Paul boasts a bit that no man taught him anything, but rather he learned the gospel from the Lord personally. So I would ask whats wrong with that? And I'm positive that this is the only way to develop a personal relationship with Jesus. Just you and he. Not through group assembly.
It is John who says to learn from the anointing that abides in you, and that would be exactly what Paul did. Question might be what are they to gather together
to do? Learn, or care for one another, or compare what they think they know with one another to confirm they're all on the same page, or all the above?
This type of interaction is not in any church group I have ever been in. Most just want you to shut up and listen to them and sing along with whatever songs
they've practiced lately, and don't forget to throw some money in the plate when it passes by. IMO this is not how a fellowship of believers should be ran.

Always had a problem myself with the fact that the only verse that speaks to not forsaking the gathering together has no second witness to it. And like I said
Paul was in prison, or in the desert most of the time, so he was not exactly able to assemble on a REGULAR basis.
And I would add that we are told to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE. Who do you suppose SHE is today?
 
A thing that is for a believer then is also for a believer now


you know I was just thinking about this today, reading Acts this morning, one of the first things the new believers do when they became a church?? no one really talks about, everyone seems to talk about the sighs and wonders and miracles and speaking of tongues and thats awesome, and I beleive in them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yet what did ALL them do in the beginning?? They ALL sold everything they had for the sake of the others, so no one would be with out the basic needs, this is mind blowing, that we dont here much about that. They receive the holly spirit and they no longer care about there wealth in this world, they care for there brothers and sisters in Christ, no longer did social economic division divide them, they all became one caring for each other. This is something ALL them did,

NOT ALL spoke tongues NOT ALL performed miracles,

BUT ALL cared for each other. All sold there earthly treasures in order to care for each other,,,,, can we say to our self that we are doing this today?? are we so concerned about our speaking tongues that we forget to care for each other, to love each other, to help the needy.
 
Romans 8:26–30

Praying in the Spirit
Things looked bleak for the children of George Muller's orphanage at Ashley Downs in England. It was time for breakfast, and there was no food. A small girl whose father was a close friend of Muller was visiting in the home. Muller took her hand and said, "Come and see what our Father will do." In the dining room, long tables were set with empty plates and empty mugs. Not only was there no food in the kitchen, but there was no money in the children home's account.

Muller prayed, "Dear Father, we thank Thee for what Thou art going to give us to eat." Immediately, they heard a knock at the door. When they opened it, there stood the local baker. "Mr. Muller," he said, "I couldn't sleep last night. Somehow I felt you had no bread for breakfast, so I got up at 2 o'clock and baked fresh bread. Here it is." Muller thanked him and gave praise to God.

Soon, a second knock was heard. It was the milkman. His cart had broken down in front of the orphanage. He said he would like to give the children the milk so he could empty the cart and repair it.

God answers prayer. He wants us involved in His eternal purpose. As a loving, Father He wants us to come to Him and ask in faith. The Spirit–filled Christian is a praying Christian who walks by faith trusting His heavenly Father to provide daily.

The life of the Christian is a daily Spirit–controlled life. It is not a life designed just for the weekend, just for Sunday, or just for the church. It is a life designed for the home, the school, the place of employment, the office, the kitchen––wherever you are. It is there that God expects us to live a Spirit–filled life. The Spirit–filled life is not a religious cop out. It is designed to meet the need of every moment of your week, and to be your source of strength and power right through all the difficulties of each day.

PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT (8:26–27)
The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 8:26–27 words of encouragement for trouble filled days. He said: "In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."

God wants us to ask.
One of the great mysteries of life is prayer. God the Father takes joy in answering prayer. It is our responsibility to go to Him and enter into fellowship with Him. Prayer is more than just asking God for things. It is an attitude, a way of life. It involves formal prayers as when we come before Him in corporeal worship. It is also when we come before Him silently in the classroom, a business adventure, or in a public setting. In Ephesians 6:18, the apostle Paul asked the church at Ephesus to pray for him in his ministry, “With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints."

There are other times when life is just simply too big, and too complex, and we do not know what to ask for. In such times, we know neither what to pray for, nor how to present our petitions, as we ought. This is when the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf. He graciously shares with us the bearing of this burden.

He gives wisdom to all who come and ask Him. "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind" (James 1:5–6).

Jesus is our perfect example of praying in the Spirit.
He was the perfect Spirit–filled man. Luke, the Greek Physician, gives a good summary of the Holy Spirit's ministry in Jesus.

Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well–pleased . . . . Jesus full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness . . . . And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all. And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,

Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord." (Luke 3:21–22; 4:1, 14–18).

Why did Jesus pray? He prayed to maintain the intimate love relationship with the Father. Jesus experienced unbroken sweet communion between He and His Father. Throughout the four Gospels, we find Jesus abiding in the presence of the Father. He sought to do the will of the Father.

Where did Jesus pray? He prayed everywhere: with His disciples, in small groups with Peter, James and John. He prayed alone in the mountains, He prayed on a picnic with His disciples by the lakeside, etc.

Jesus prayed without ceasing. It was His custom to pray. He prayed before making important decisions as when He called the twelve. He asked for the Father's guidance. He spent the entire night paying for the Father's will.

What did He pray for? He prayed for Himself. He prayed for the disciples to know spiritual truths, "Flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you, but My Father who is in heaven." He prayed for Peter when he said, "I have prayed for you that your faith will not fail." In warning Peter the very night of His denial Jesus said, "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers" (Luke 22:31–32).

He encouraged them to pray and not to become weighed down by the worries of life. "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36).

Not only did Jesus pray with a deep burden and sense of urgency for His disciples, but He also prayed for strength for Himself. Have you ever listened to the groanings of Jesus as He prayed?

And He came out and proceeded as was His custom to the Mount of Olives; and the disciples also followed Him. When He arrived at the place, He said to them, "Pray that you may not enter into temptation." And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground. When He rose from prayer, He came to the disciples and found them sleeping from sorrow, and said to them, "Why are you sleeping? Get up and pray that you may not enter into temptation. (Luke 22: 39–46).

While Jesus is yet speaking, the mob came to arrest Him.

It is interesting as we consider Jesus as our best example of the Spirit–controlled man praying in the Spirit that there is no record of His ever praying in "tongues."

People ask is this groaning in the Spirit praying in tongues. There seems little reason to embrace such a view. All of creation is sighing and groaning. They are not speaking in charismatic tongues. It is the prayer of every Christian. The Holy Spirit makes intercession even through our groanings.

Speaking in tongues or praying emotionally ecstatic meaningless syllables is not what Paul is talking about in Romans 8:26. These are not ecstatic cries or tongues or any special language that is mentioned here. Paul specifically says that the praying of the Spirit is too deep for words, or even utterance. It is unuttered; it cannot be expressed. It is felt only in the heart, and it never comes to the surface of the lips. It never can be expressed. In other words, these are those deep yearnings of the soul that all of us feel at times for more of God for ourselves, or for someone else. This is why we often call it "a burden." It is a burden "too deep for words."

This word is found here only in the New Testament. These groanings are inexpressible, "unspoken," or "unutterable." They are without words. Perhaps it is impossible to put them into words.

Jesus prayed with this same kind of intense burden for a lost world in the Garden of Gethsemane. "Not my will, Thy will be done." When we pray in the Spirit, we have that same intense desire of the soul. We love for the will of God to be done in our lives.

The Holy Spirit does the same thing for us.
Where do you groan today? Where do you feel the sting of sin, or the hurt of a broken relationship? Where is the pain of an empty chair at your supper table, or the crushing defeat of loneliness? Is there the guilt of a conscience that refuses to be quieted, or the disappointment of unfaithfulness? What is the "groan" or "burden" or "weakness" you face today?

Can you identify with Paul in Second Corinthians 4:7–12? In part he says, "we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death works in us, but life in you."

Pounds paraphrase reads: We possess this priceless treasure of the fragrance of the Gospel in these old fragile clay pots in order that the exceeding greatness of the power of God may be manifest, as coming from God and not from ourselves. We are hard pressed on every side with troubles all around us, but we are not crushed, we still have breathing room. We are perplexed and bewildered, but not despairing. We are hunted down by persecutors, but not forsaken by the Lord. We are always getting knocked down, but never a knockout.

You say "Life isn't fair." "That's not what I want out of my life."

We want to be glazed and polished, painted, displayed and put on some safe shelf. But that's not God's way of producing fragrance.

God's way of producing His fragrance is to take the pot off the shelf, break it and pour out the fragrance.

A. W. Tozer said, "It is doubtful God can bless any man greatly until He has hurt him deeply." Or as Alan Redpath once said: "When God wants to do an impossible task he takes an impossible man and crushes him."

How is the pot? Where is your weakness today? Do you feel squeezed in? Sickness, disease, heartache, disappointment, disaster, some crushing experience, tears, death, shadow of death . . . (v. 11 is a commentary on v. 10).

For Paul it meant, "afflicted . . . perplexed . . . persecuted . . . struck down." That was the process God used to release the fragrance in Paul's life. But please keep in mind Paul was not alone in this process. God was at work in Him. How did He do it?

In Romans 8:26, the Apostle Paul writes, "the Spirit helps our weakness." He was there with Paul in the afflictions, perplexities, persecutions and weaknesses.

Helps means to lend a hand together, at the same time with one, to help, to come to the aid of someone. That is the word of the Encourager, the Paraklete. A. T. Robertson said, "Here beautifully Paul pictures the Holy Spirit taking hold at our side at the very time of our weakness . . . and before too late."

The beautiful thing is His power is perfected in our weaknesses. When we die, He lives. When we lose, He wins. When we are weak, He is strong. When we are dependent, He is powerful. This is what God was doing in Paul. He does the same in us as we yield to Him. It is walking and praying in the Spirit.

Paul reminds us we don't know how to pray. Like Jesus' disciples we come to the Lord asking Him to teach us to pray. Paying is hard work. It is difficult for most of us. It takes thought, concentration and commitment. Moreover, we are not always good judges of that for which we should be praying. We ask amiss. We ask for the wrong things. I am afraid we often come to the Father asking for things that displease Him. We pray for things unprofitable for us in our walk with Him. Paul prayed intensely on three occasions for the thorn to be removed (2 Cor. 12:7–9). God did not remove the thorn. He gave Paul grace to grow trough the thorns in his life. In the process of suffering, Paul grew in the likeness of Christ.

We do not know what is best for us because we do not have God's overall perspective of what He is doing, not only in our lives, but also in the lives of those about us who in one way or another are impacted by our lives. There are always those who are silently watching us and observing how we live the Christian life. They are influenced by how we handle our weaknesses. Do they see us as instruments of God's grace? From our human perspective, we don't always see how God is using our situations to impact others for His good. Our perspective of our circumstances radically changes when we get eternity into the picture.

Isn't it wonderful to know that when we do not know how to pray or what to do the Holy Spirit comes to our aid?

Wow what a blessed word to me in very due season . so powerfully put !!!! really lifted me up thankyou so much for the time and effort in your post . im speechless and to be honest breath of God to me at this time the 2nd corinthians verse powerfully encouraging as in a valleys ive not experienced before and has felt like im being knocked out daily so this is a great word for me ,also tozar so good i have two of his books and they have blessed me, so brilliant .
God bless you powerfully x
 
Luke 10:19 "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
Luke 10:20 "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that THE SPIRITS ARE SUBJECT UNTO YOU; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
See the connection between the spirits being subject unto you and your name written in heaven? Can't see anything here that says I should be afraid of them, but
rather it says they are subject unto me, according to Jesus my Lord.

As far as praying in tongues goes you'll have to argue with the Bible itself, it is in there in Mark 16:17-18. And Paul even says that he thanks God that he prays
in tongues more than ye all. Either the whole Bible is right or it's wrong. Can't pick what part we want and toss the part we just don't agree with or twist it because
we don't do what it says we should.

As far as gathering together goes. Speaking from my personal experience he will send me wherever he wants me to go, when he wants me to go, and that has
only happened once in the last 15 or so years. On occasion I might go somewhere with someone that just needs a bit of encouragement but I usually am quite
disappointed in what I hear. Much less a 20-30 minute sermon just doesn't teach much, and most times it's just absolutely wrong.
In my reading Paul boasts a bit that no man taught him anything, but rather he learned the gospel from the Lord personally. So I would ask whats wrong with that? And I'm positive that this is the only way to develop a personal relationship with Jesus. Just you and he. Not through group assembly.
It is John who says to learn from the anointing that abides in you, and that would be exactly what Paul did. Question might be what are they to gather together
to do? Learn, or care for one another, or compare what they think they know with one another to confirm they're all on the same page, or all the above?
This type of interaction is not in any church group I have ever been in. Most just want you to shut up and listen to them and sing along with whatever songs
they've practiced lately, and don't forget to throw some money in the plate when it passes by. IMO this is not how a fellowship of believers should be ran.

Always had a problem myself with the fact that the only verse that speaks to not forsaking the gathering together has no second witness to it. And like I said
Paul was in prison, or in the desert most of the time, so he was not exactly able to assemble on a REGULAR basis.
And I would add that we are told to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE. Who do you suppose SHE is today?

Hello all i totally agree ive left two churches sadly because all we was doing was having tea and cake at the end no deep fellowship no useing gifts to bless,build up each other
so sad,also tongues all over with no interpretation and pastors wife saying she was going to read how to win freinds and influence people at this point i ran . the church fellowship the bible talks of is lacking in my area so ive been surviving home alone just praying reading trusting God and now im here on this amazing forum with real saints with Holy spirit of wisdom and Love, never ever experienced anything like it the real deal instead of fake . a light in a dark place God bless you all x
 
i’m only replying in agreement here .
i was hurt several years ago by demons . you can only be hurt by demons if you let them in . how did i let them in my life ? i believed a lie that they told me. the lie was that they told me they were the lord.
it took several years to undo the pain i suffered .
please test those who claim to be god.
your soul is a battlefield and the demons will try everything to mislead you .
i was hurt so badly i don’t want anyone else to experience my pain . it was so bad i almost killed my self i was that desperate.
I know the feeling.
 
Romans 8:26–30

Praying in the Spirit
Things looked bleak for the children of George Muller's orphanage at Ashley Downs in England. It was time for breakfast, and there was no food. A small girl whose father was a close friend of Muller was visiting in the home. Muller took her hand and said, "Come and see what our Father will do." In the dining room, long tables were set with empty plates and empty mugs. Not only was there no food in the kitchen, but there was no money in the children home's account.

Muller prayed, "Dear Father, we thank Thee for what Thou art going to give us to eat." Immediately, they heard a knock at the door. When they opened it, there stood the local baker. "Mr. Muller," he said, "I couldn't sleep last night. Somehow I felt you had no bread for breakfast, so I got up at 2 o'clock and baked fresh bread. Here it is." Muller thanked him and gave praise to God.

Soon, a second knock was heard. It was the milkman. His cart had broken down in front of the orphanage. He said he would like to give the children the milk so he could empty the cart and repair it.

God answers prayer. He wants us involved in His eternal purpose. As a loving, Father He wants us to come to Him and ask in faith. The Spirit–filled Christian is a praying Christian who walks by faith trusting His heavenly Father to provide daily.

The life of the Christian is a daily Spirit–controlled life. It is not a life designed just for the weekend, just for Sunday, or just for the church. It is a life designed for the home, the school, the place of employment, the office, the kitchen––wherever you are. It is there that God expects us to live a Spirit–filled life. The Spirit–filled life is not a religious cop out. It is designed to meet the need of every moment of your week, and to be your source of strength and power right through all the difficulties of each day.

PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT (8:26–27)
The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 8:26–27 words of encouragement for trouble filled days. He said: "In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."

God wants us to ask.
One of the great mysteries of life is prayer. God the Father takes joy in answering prayer. It is our responsibility to go to Him and enter into fellowship with Him. Prayer is more than just asking God for things. It is an attitude, a way of life. It involves formal prayers as when we come before Him in corporeal worship. It is also when we come before Him silently in the classroom, a business adventure, or in a public setting. In Ephesians 6:18, the apostle Paul asked the church at Ephesus to pray for him in his ministry, “With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints."

There are other times when life is just simply too big, and too complex, and we do not know what to ask for. In such times, we know neither what to pray for, nor how to present our petitions, as we ought. This is when the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf. He graciously shares with us the bearing of this burden.

He gives wisdom to all who come and ask Him. "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind" (James 1:5–6).

Jesus is our perfect example of praying in the Spirit.
He was the perfect Spirit–filled man. Luke, the Greek Physician, gives a good summary of the Holy Spirit's ministry in Jesus.

Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well–pleased . . . . Jesus full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness . . . . And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all. And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,

Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord." (Luke 3:21–22; 4:1, 14–18).

Why did Jesus pray? He prayed to maintain the intimate love relationship with the Father. Jesus experienced unbroken sweet communion between He and His Father. Throughout the four Gospels, we find Jesus abiding in the presence of the Father. He sought to do the will of the Father.

Where did Jesus pray? He prayed everywhere: with His disciples, in small groups with Peter, James and John. He prayed alone in the mountains, He prayed on a picnic with His disciples by the lakeside, etc.

Jesus prayed without ceasing. It was His custom to pray. He prayed before making important decisions as when He called the twelve. He asked for the Father's guidance. He spent the entire night paying for the Father's will.

What did He pray for? He prayed for Himself. He prayed for the disciples to know spiritual truths, "Flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you, but My Father who is in heaven." He prayed for Peter when he said, "I have prayed for you that your faith will not fail." In warning Peter the very night of His denial Jesus said, "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers" (Luke 22:31–32).

He encouraged them to pray and not to become weighed down by the worries of life. "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36).

Not only did Jesus pray with a deep burden and sense of urgency for His disciples, but He also prayed for strength for Himself. Have you ever listened to the groanings of Jesus as He prayed?

And He came out and proceeded as was His custom to the Mount of Olives; and the disciples also followed Him. When He arrived at the place, He said to them, "Pray that you may not enter into temptation." And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground. When He rose from prayer, He came to the disciples and found them sleeping from sorrow, and said to them, "Why are you sleeping? Get up and pray that you may not enter into temptation. (Luke 22: 39–46).

While Jesus is yet speaking, the mob came to arrest Him.

It is interesting as we consider Jesus as our best example of the Spirit–controlled man praying in the Spirit that there is no record of His ever praying in "tongues."

People ask is this groaning in the Spirit praying in tongues. There seems little reason to embrace such a view. All of creation is sighing and groaning. They are not speaking in charismatic tongues. It is the prayer of every Christian. The Holy Spirit makes intercession even through our groanings.

Speaking in tongues or praying emotionally ecstatic meaningless syllables is not what Paul is talking about in Romans 8:26. These are not ecstatic cries or tongues or any special language that is mentioned here. Paul specifically says that the praying of the Spirit is too deep for words, or even utterance. It is unuttered; it cannot be expressed. It is felt only in the heart, and it never comes to the surface of the lips. It never can be expressed. In other words, these are those deep yearnings of the soul that all of us feel at times for more of God for ourselves, or for someone else. This is why we often call it "a burden." It is a burden "too deep for words."

This word is found here only in the New Testament. These groanings are inexpressible, "unspoken," or "unutterable." They are without words. Perhaps it is impossible to put them into words.

Jesus prayed with this same kind of intense burden for a lost world in the Garden of Gethsemane. "Not my will, Thy will be done." When we pray in the Spirit, we have that same intense desire of the soul. We love for the will of God to be done in our lives.

The Holy Spirit does the same thing for us.
Where do you groan today? Where do you feel the sting of sin, or the hurt of a broken relationship? Where is the pain of an empty chair at your supper table, or the crushing defeat of loneliness? Is there the guilt of a conscience that refuses to be quieted, or the disappointment of unfaithfulness? What is the "groan" or "burden" or "weakness" you face today?

Can you identify with Paul in Second Corinthians 4:7–12? In part he says, "we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death works in us, but life in you."

Pounds paraphrase reads: We possess this priceless treasure of the fragrance of the Gospel in these old fragile clay pots in order that the exceeding greatness of the power of God may be manifest, as coming from God and not from ourselves. We are hard pressed on every side with troubles all around us, but we are not crushed, we still have breathing room. We are perplexed and bewildered, but not despairing. We are hunted down by persecutors, but not forsaken by the Lord. We are always getting knocked down, but never a knockout.

You say "Life isn't fair." "That's not what I want out of my life."

We want to be glazed and polished, painted, displayed and put on some safe shelf. But that's not God's way of producing fragrance.

God's way of producing His fragrance is to take the pot off the shelf, break it and pour out the fragrance.

A. W. Tozer said, "It is doubtful God can bless any man greatly until He has hurt him deeply." Or as Alan Redpath once said: "When God wants to do an impossible task he takes an impossible man and crushes him."

How is the pot? Where is your weakness today? Do you feel squeezed in? Sickness, disease, heartache, disappointment, disaster, some crushing experience, tears, death, shadow of death . . . (v. 11 is a commentary on v. 10).

For Paul it meant, "afflicted . . . perplexed . . . persecuted . . . struck down." That was the process God used to release the fragrance in Paul's life. But please keep in mind Paul was not alone in this process. God was at work in Him. How did He do it?

In Romans 8:26, the Apostle Paul writes, "the Spirit helps our weakness." He was there with Paul in the afflictions, perplexities, persecutions and weaknesses.

Helps means to lend a hand together, at the same time with one, to help, to come to the aid of someone. That is the word of the Encourager, the Paraklete. A. T. Robertson said, "Here beautifully Paul pictures the Holy Spirit taking hold at our side at the very time of our weakness . . . and before too late."

The beautiful thing is His power is perfected in our weaknesses. When we die, He lives. When we lose, He wins. When we are weak, He is strong. When we are dependent, He is powerful. This is what God was doing in Paul. He does the same in us as we yield to Him. It is walking and praying in the Spirit.

Paul reminds us we don't know how to pray. Like Jesus' disciples we come to the Lord asking Him to teach us to pray. Paying is hard work. It is difficult for most of us. It takes thought, concentration and commitment. Moreover, we are not always good judges of that for which we should be praying. We ask amiss. We ask for the wrong things. I am afraid we often come to the Father asking for things that displease Him. We pray for things unprofitable for us in our walk with Him. Paul prayed intensely on three occasions for the thorn to be removed (2 Cor. 12:7–9). God did not remove the thorn. He gave Paul grace to grow trough the thorns in his life. In the process of suffering, Paul grew in the likeness of Christ.

We do not know what is best for us because we do not have God's overall perspective of what He is doing, not only in our lives, but also in the lives of those about us who in one way or another are impacted by our lives. There are always those who are silently watching us and observing how we live the Christian life. They are influenced by how we handle our weaknesses. Do they see us as instruments of God's grace? From our human perspective, we don't always see how God is using our situations to impact others for His good. Our perspective of our circumstances radically changes when we get eternity into the picture.

Isn't it wonderful to know that when we do not know how to pray or what to do the Holy Spirit comes to our aid?
Nowadays tongue speakers falsely use the scripture Romans 8:26. Romans 8:26 says, “In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.” However, speaking in tongues is “words” and not groans. This scripture is about when we are weak and all we can do is groan, as when we are in great despair–then the Spirit intercedes for us to God, for we do not even have to speak words. The Spirit doesn’t intercede for us by groaning to the Father for us, but intercedes for us with words that we were too distraught to say.
 
Nowadays tongue speakers falsely use the scripture Romans 8:26. Romans 8:26 says, “In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.” However, speaking in tongues is “words” and not groans. This scripture is about when we are weak and all we can do is groan, as when we are in great despair–then the Spirit intercedes for us to God, for we do not even have to speak words. The Spirit doesn’t intercede for us by groaning to the Father for us, but intercedes for us with words that we were too distraught to say.
 
Romans 8:26–30

Praying in the Spirit
Things looked bleak for the children of George Muller's orphanage at Ashley Downs in England. It was time for breakfast, and there was no food. A small girl whose father was a close friend of Muller was visiting in the home. Muller took her hand and said, "Come and see what our Father will do." In the dining room, long tables were set with empty plates and empty mugs. Not only was there no food in the kitchen, but there was no money in the children home's account.

Muller prayed, "Dear Father, we thank Thee for what Thou art going to give us to eat." Immediately, they heard a knock at the door. When they opened it, there stood the local baker. "Mr. Muller," he said, "I couldn't sleep last night. Somehow I felt you had no bread for breakfast, so I got up at 2 o'clock and baked fresh bread. Here it is." Muller thanked him and gave praise to God.

Soon, a second knock was heard. It was the milkman. His cart had broken down in front of the orphanage. He said he would like to give the children the milk so he could empty the cart and repair it.

God answers prayer. He wants us involved in His eternal purpose. As a loving, Father He wants us to come to Him and ask in faith. The Spirit–filled Christian is a praying Christian who walks by faith trusting His heavenly Father to provide daily.

The life of the Christian is a daily Spirit–controlled life. It is not a life designed just for the weekend, just for Sunday, or just for the church. It is a life designed for the home, the school, the place of employment, the office, the kitchen––wherever you are. It is there that God expects us to live a Spirit–filled life. The Spirit–filled life is not a religious cop out. It is designed to meet the need of every moment of your week, and to be your source of strength and power right through all the difficulties of each day.

PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT (8:26–27)
The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 8:26–27 words of encouragement for trouble filled days. He said: "In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."

God wants us to ask.
One of the great mysteries of life is prayer. God the Father takes joy in answering prayer. It is our responsibility to go to Him and enter into fellowship with Him. Prayer is more than just asking God for things. It is an attitude, a way of life. It involves formal prayers as when we come before Him in corporeal worship. It is also when we come before Him silently in the classroom, a business adventure, or in a public setting. In Ephesians 6:18, the apostle Paul asked the church at Ephesus to pray for him in his ministry, “With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints."

There are other times when life is just simply too big, and too complex, and we do not know what to ask for. In such times, we know neither what to pray for, nor how to present our petitions, as we ought. This is when the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf. He graciously shares with us the bearing of this burden.

He gives wisdom to all who come and ask Him. "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind" (James 1:5–6).

Jesus is our perfect example of praying in the Spirit.
He was the perfect Spirit–filled man. Luke, the Greek Physician, gives a good summary of the Holy Spirit's ministry in Jesus.

Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well–pleased . . . . Jesus full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness . . . . And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all. And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,

Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord." (Luke 3:21–22; 4:1, 14–18).

Why did Jesus pray? He prayed to maintain the intimate love relationship with the Father. Jesus experienced unbroken sweet communion between He and His Father. Throughout the four Gospels, we find Jesus abiding in the presence of the Father. He sought to do the will of the Father.

Where did Jesus pray? He prayed everywhere: with His disciples, in small groups with Peter, James and John. He prayed alone in the mountains, He prayed on a picnic with His disciples by the lakeside, etc.

Jesus prayed without ceasing. It was His custom to pray. He prayed before making important decisions as when He called the twelve. He asked for the Father's guidance. He spent the entire night paying for the Father's will.

What did He pray for? He prayed for Himself. He prayed for the disciples to know spiritual truths, "Flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you, but My Father who is in heaven." He prayed for Peter when he said, "I have prayed for you that your faith will not fail." In warning Peter the very night of His denial Jesus said, "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers" (Luke 22:31–32).

He encouraged them to pray and not to become weighed down by the worries of life. "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36).

Not only did Jesus pray with a deep burden and sense of urgency for His disciples, but He also prayed for strength for Himself. Have you ever listened to the groanings of Jesus as He prayed?

And He came out and proceeded as was His custom to the Mount of Olives; and the disciples also followed Him. When He arrived at the place, He said to them, "Pray that you may not enter into temptation." And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground. When He rose from prayer, He came to the disciples and found them sleeping from sorrow, and said to them, "Why are you sleeping? Get up and pray that you may not enter into temptation. (Luke 22: 39–46).

While Jesus is yet speaking, the mob came to arrest Him.

It is interesting as we consider Jesus as our best example of the Spirit–controlled man praying in the Spirit that there is no record of His ever praying in "tongues."

People ask is this groaning in the Spirit praying in tongues. There seems little reason to embrace such a view. All of creation is sighing and groaning. They are not speaking in charismatic tongues. It is the prayer of every Christian. The Holy Spirit makes intercession even through our groanings.

Speaking in tongues or praying emotionally ecstatic meaningless syllables is not what Paul is talking about in Romans 8:26. These are not ecstatic cries or tongues or any special language that is mentioned here. Paul specifically says that the praying of the Spirit is too deep for words, or even utterance. It is unuttered; it cannot be expressed. It is felt only in the heart, and it never comes to the surface of the lips. It never can be expressed. In other words, these are those deep yearnings of the soul that all of us feel at times for more of God for ourselves, or for someone else. This is why we often call it "a burden." It is a burden "too deep for words."

This word is found here only in the New Testament. These groanings are inexpressible, "unspoken," or "unutterable." They are without words. Perhaps it is impossible to put them into words.

Jesus prayed with this same kind of intense burden for a lost world in the Garden of Gethsemane. "Not my will, Thy will be done." When we pray in the Spirit, we have that same intense desire of the soul. We love for the will of God to be done in our lives.

The Holy Spirit does the same thing for us.
Where do you groan today? Where do you feel the sting of sin, or the hurt of a broken relationship? Where is the pain of an empty chair at your supper table, or the crushing defeat of loneliness? Is there the guilt of a conscience that refuses to be quieted, or the disappointment of unfaithfulness? What is the "groan" or "burden" or "weakness" you face today?

Can you identify with Paul in Second Corinthians 4:7–12? In part he says, "we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death works in us, but life in you."

Pounds paraphrase reads: We possess this priceless treasure of the fragrance of the Gospel in these old fragile clay pots in order that the exceeding greatness of the power of God may be manifest, as coming from God and not from ourselves. We are hard pressed on every side with troubles all around us, but we are not crushed, we still have breathing room. We are perplexed and bewildered, but not despairing. We are hunted down by persecutors, but not forsaken by the Lord. We are always getting knocked down, but never a knockout.

You say "Life isn't fair." "That's not what I want out of my life."

We want to be glazed and polished, painted, displayed and put on some safe shelf. But that's not God's way of producing fragrance.

God's way of producing His fragrance is to take the pot off the shelf, break it and pour out the fragrance.

A. W. Tozer said, "It is doubtful God can bless any man greatly until He has hurt him deeply." Or as Alan Redpath once said: "When God wants to do an impossible task he takes an impossible man and crushes him."

How is the pot? Where is your weakness today? Do you feel squeezed in? Sickness, disease, heartache, disappointment, disaster, some crushing experience, tears, death, shadow of death . . . (v. 11 is a commentary on v. 10).

For Paul it meant, "afflicted . . . perplexed . . . persecuted . . . struck down." That was the process God used to release the fragrance in Paul's life. But please keep in mind Paul was not alone in this process. God was at work in Him. How did He do it?

In Romans 8:26, the Apostle Paul writes, "the Spirit helps our weakness." He was there with Paul in the afflictions, perplexities, persecutions and weaknesses.

Helps means to lend a hand together, at the same time with one, to help, to come to the aid of someone. That is the word of the Encourager, the Paraklete. A. T. Robertson said, "Here beautifully Paul pictures the Holy Spirit taking hold at our side at the very time of our weakness . . . and before too late."

The beautiful thing is His power is perfected in our weaknesses. When we die, He lives. When we lose, He wins. When we are weak, He is strong. When we are dependent, He is powerful. This is what God was doing in Paul. He does the same in us as we yield to Him. It is walking and praying in the Spirit.

Paul reminds us we don't know how to pray. Like Jesus' disciples we come to the Lord asking Him to teach us to pray. Paying is hard work. It is difficult for most of us. It takes thought, concentration and commitment. Moreover, we are not always good judges of that for which we should be praying. We ask amiss. We ask for the wrong things. I am afraid we often come to the Father asking for things that displease Him. We pray for things unprofitable for us in our walk with Him. Paul prayed intensely on three occasions for the thorn to be removed (2 Cor. 12:7–9). God did not remove the thorn. He gave Paul grace to grow trough the thorns in his life. In the process of suffering, Paul grew in the likeness of Christ.

We do not know what is best for us because we do not have God's overall perspective of what He is doing, not only in our lives, but also in the lives of those about us who in one way or another are impacted by our lives. There are always those who are silently watching us and observing how we live the Christian life. They are influenced by how we handle our weaknesses. Do they see us as instruments of God's grace? From our human perspective, we don't always see how God is using our situations to impact others for His good. Our perspective of our circumstances radically changes when we get eternity into the picture.

Isn't it wonderful to know that when we do not know how to pray or what to do the Holy Spirit comes to our aid?
This article is not long enough. You definitely need to write longer articles.
I'm kidding :-)

Seriously, all the material in this article is very good though :-) :-)

Good job :-)
 
Hi Sue D, you quoted me and didn't say anything...hope you agree with what I said. I want to take this time to say thank you for the likes you gave some of my posts. As you know I'm new here and it's a nice welcoming.
 
Nowadays tongue speakers falsely use the scripture Romans 8:26
And yet this verse perfectly aligns with my experience of praying in tongues [praying in the Spirit].
As a Spirit-filled Christian and praying in the Holy Spirit I know and experience the truth of this verse.
 
And yet this verse perfectly aligns with my experience of praying in tongues [praying in the Spirit].
As a Spirit-filled Christian and praying in the Holy Spirit I know and experience the truth of this verse.
No such thing as speaking in tongues anymore.
 
The false nowadays tongue speaking is commonly called a “prayer language.” Those practicing the false tongue speaking believe they are speaking a prayer language, and that in this type of praying it is somehow deeper and more personal than praying with their native language with words they understand. However, that is not scriptural, and that even goes against the Word of God which says you will have a fruitless mind if you pray like that. Surely, a fruitless mind is not something one should be aiming for in personal prayer times.

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

It is important to realize that after the believers in the bible had the gift of speaking in tongues for the sign to the Jews…they kept the gift even when the Jews of other languages were not around. Therefore, the tongue speakers spoke only to God when they spoke in tongues they themselves did not understand and when no Jews from other languages were there, because, God, of course, can understand all the earthly languages the tongue speakers were speaking. How is that beneficial to anyone, even to the speaker when they can’t understand what they are saying?

Again, if there were no other people of other languages around to understand the tongue speaker, and if the tongue speaker themselves cannot interpret what they say and there was no other interpreter, then they are to be quiet and only speak to God, and this speaking edified (nurtured) only themselves. Only the real tongues were edifying. Tongue speaking edifies (nurtures) only the tongue speaker when no one understands because the tongue speaker feels blessed that God gave them an amazing gift. How greatly edifying it is for oneself just to have such a gift; that is the only way it edifies when you don’t understand what you are saying.

It is a false edification when one is performing nonsense babbling.
 
The false nowadays tongue speaking is commonly called a “prayer language.” Those practicing the false tongue speaking believe they are speaking a prayer language, and that in this type of praying it is somehow deeper and more personal than praying with their native language with words they understand. However, that is not scriptural, and that even goes against the Word of God which says you will have a fruitless mind if you pray like that. Surely, a fruitless mind is not something one should be aiming for in personal prayer times.
You have no idea about what you prattle on about.
You preach another gospel.

To put aside the limitations of the finite carnal mind and to allow the Spirit of God to pray through us makes perfect sense:
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
And although you do not understand what is said to God when one prays in tongues, God understands such prayer perfectly well and answers according to his will.
 
1Cor 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.
2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
 
You have no idea about what you prattle on about.
You preach another gospel.

To put aside the limitations of the finite carnal mind and to allow the Spirit of God to pray through us makes perfect sense:
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
And although you do not understand what is said to God when one prays in tongues, God understands such prayer perfectly well and answers according to his will.
God's word says your mind is fruitless.
 
Many years ago there was an Hispanic. Couple who went to our small church across the street from the university he taught àt. He shared that at home he and his wife had a wonderful. Time together when they used a prayer language .They prayed for their unsaved family members this way and over time they all came to Christ. The professor shared that he'd been an atheist and then a couple of his students began asking him questions after class and began praying for him,. He accepted Christ and 5hen his wife did. They didn't practice that during church. But they also found an Hispanic church that was more accept of them. Just sharing.
 
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