Praying in the Spirit Romans 8: 26 -30

[Sue D.]

Hi Sue D, you quoted me and didn't say anything...hope you agree with what I said. I want to take this time to say thank you for the likes you gave some of my posts. As you know I'm new here and it's a nice welcoming.

Yes I was agreeing with your comments. Glad to help you feel welcome.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes I was agreeing with your comments. Glad to help you feel welcome.

That is so good to hear, and thank you again.

 

[Samson2020]

A saved person is not supposed to have a carnal mind anymore.

??????? Where did you ever hear that?????????

 

[God's Truth]

??????? Where did you ever hear that?????????

Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

We are not to think sinful thoughts, and we are not to lust in our thoughts and hate, and we are to think of what is lovely and true.

 

[Samson2020]

We are not to think sinful thoughts, and we are not to lust in our thoughts and hate, and we are to think of what is lovely and true.

Why do you suppose you are able to do the things you are told not to do??

 

[God's Truth]

Why do you suppose you are able to do the things you are told not to do??

Could you elaborate and explain better the point you are trying to make and the question you are asking?

 

[Samson2020]

Could you elaborate and explain better the point you are trying to make and the question you are asking?

I am telling you that the reason you are told to not do the things you listed is because you still have a carnal mind.
The scripture says "Be not carnally minded" They do not say that your carnal mind has been removed, Indeed the carnal mind that God has laid on all men is the
greatest enemy of the individual that He could provide.
That carnal mind will always look outwardly at other mens evil and never turns its gaze upon itself. That only begins once one is born again and realizes that they actually do have
a carnal mind.
The spirit within the believer is always at war with the flesh which is controlled by the carnal mind through physical inputs like sight, touch, smell etc.... and acts on those things.

My question was intended to allow you to think about your statement that a believer is "not supposed to have a carnal mind"

That mind will always be with you until the day you are changed in the twinkling of an eye or you die, whichever comes first.
It is there to defeat you. As an overcomer you are to defeat it. The only way that happens is to take up your cross daily and die to the carnal minds constant desires.

 

[God's Truth]

I am telling you that the reason you are told to not do the things you listed is because you still have a carnal mind.

That is your false judgment.

The scripture says "Be not carnally minded" They do not say that your carnal mind has been removed, Indeed the carnal mind that God has laid on all men is the
greatest enemy of the individual that He could provide.
That carnal mind will always look outwardly at other mens evil and never turns its gaze upon itself. That only begins once one is born again and realizes that they actually do have
a carnal mind.
The spirit within the believer is always at war with the flesh which is controlled by the carnal mind through physical inputs like sight, touch, smell etc.... and acts on those things.

You are trying to personally attack me for proving to you with scripture that tongues have ceased.

My question was intended to allow you to think about your statement that a believer is "not supposed to have a carnal mind"

You didn't even now that a saved person isn't supposed to have a carnal mind.

That mind will always be with you until the day you are changed in the twinkling of an eye or you die, whichever comes first.
It is there to defeat you. As an overcomer you are to defeat it. The only way that happens is to take up your cross daily and die to the carnal minds constant desires.

You never did explain what you meant when you said, "Why do you suppose you are able to do the things you are told not to do??"
What you said doesn't make sense.

 

[Samson2020]

That is your false judgment.

If you didn't have the carnal mind still then why would you be warned to not do the things you used to do?

You never did explain what you meant when you said, "Why do you suppose you are able to do the things you are told not to do??"
What you said doesn't make sense.

Meaning you do still have the capacity to do what you are warned about not doing thus you still have the carnal mind.

My example would be the words of our Lord where He says "if thine right eye offend thee pluck it out" that is a sensory input to the carnal mind.
"If thy right hand offend thee cut it off." Again a sensory input to the mind.

You still got one you just don't realize it, and that makes me wonder to what degree, if any, you really are one of His sheep.

You are trying to personally attack me for proving to you with scripture that tongues have ceased.

I couldn't care less about your theories on tongues and have less inclination to bring any personal attack on you. I do however wonder about your comprehension, and that is no personal
attack its just concern as you seem unable to receive anything from anyone and maintain a useful constructive dialogue.

 

[God's Truth]

If you didn't have the carnal mind still then why would you be warned to not do the things you used to do?

Meaning you do still have the capacity to do what you are warned about not doing thus you still have the carnal mind.

My example would be the words of our Lord where He says "if thine right eye offend thee pluck it out" that is a sensory input to the carnal mind.
"If thy right hand offend thee cut it off." Again a sensory input to the mind.

You still got one you just don't realize it, and that makes me wonder to what degree, if any, you really are one of His sheep.



I couldn't care less about your theories on tongues and have less inclination to bring any personal attack on you. I do however wonder about your comprehension, and that is no personal
attack its just concern as you seem unable to receive anything from anyone and maintain a useful constructive dialogue.

You don't defend your false tongue speaking with scriptures, but only with personal insults and false judgments.

 

[Samson2020]

You don't defend your false tongue speaking with scriptures, but only with personal insults and false judgments.

My post had nothing to do with tongues, it was a response to the post of yours about a born again believer not having a carnal mind. Your obsession with tongues is intriguing,
and your inability to concentrate on anything else remarkable.

 

[God's Truth]

My post had nothing to do with tongues, it was a response to the post of yours about a born again believer not having a carnal mind. Your obsession with tongues is intriguing,
and your inability to concentrate on anything else remarkable.

That is just more insults and false judgments.

 

[Waggles]

Ho hum this is getting boring.

 

[God's Truth]

Ho hum this is getting boring.

So say boring people.

 

[AnneOminous]

Ho hum this is getting boring.

Run!

 

[QuestionIt]

"Praying in the Spirit"​

Do you mean:

1-The 'Holy Ghost' possessing you, praying to his other 2 Fellow Gods/persons/natures?
2- Praying to it?
3- Or praying with Faith?

 

[Waggles]

"Praying in the Spirit"​

Do you mean:

1-The 'Holy Ghost' possessing you, praying to his other 2 Fellow Gods/persons/natures?
2- Praying to it?
3- Or praying with Faith?

Scripture answers your question
1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Jude 1:20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,
21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

 

[QuestionIt]

Scripture answers your question
1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Jude 1:20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,
21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

Whenever you get the "Scripture answers your question"- it's double-talk for a churchoid who takes scriptures to read the exact opposite.

 

[Waggles]

it's double-talk

So scriptures are double-talk for you.

 

[QuestionIt]

So scriptures are double-talk for you.

Heh-heh; no your church dogma is.