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Pre Tribulation rapture

Christ was jewish ... From the tribe of Judea but also a from the tribe of Levi right?

Judah, yes.

Levi.. not sure but Mary the mother of Jesus had a cousin named Elizabeth who was married to a man Zacharias (?) who was a Levite (from the tribe of Levi). You can find Zack and Elizabeth in the first couple chapters of Luke. They are the parents of John the Baptist.

Seriously, I have to go. I have somewhere I have to be in the morning and it is going on 2 AM here in Atlanta.

God bless
 
Thanks have I couldn't night hope to talk to you again .. bless you. That's why I thought he was of Levi also..which would make sense because the two come together as the king line and the priest line..
 
That's why I thought he was of Levi also..which would make sense because the two come together as the king line and the priest line..

I couldn't sleep.

Jesus is our King and High Priest. But He is a priest of the order of Malkezadek .. I know I didn't spell that right.lol

Anyway "Mel" was before the 12 sons of Jacob.. before the levi priestly line was even established. There is something really cool about it but I can't remember what.

Maybe some one else can remind us both.
 
I couldn't sleep.

Jesus is our King and High Priest. But He is a priest of the order of Malkezadek .. I know I didn't spell that right.lol

Anyway "Mel" was before the 12 sons of Jacob.. before the levi priestly line was even established. There is something really cool about it but I can't remember what.

Maybe some one else can remind us both.

I was going to add that but I didn't know how to spell it either..I'm not sure what your referring to the something cool hopefully someone can help us on that
 
How about you read the scriptures I posted and tell me what you find tomorrow.

: )

Hi Strypes,

Random question... but sort of relevant.

When do you think the resurrection of the dead/asleep (believers) is going to be?

Just curious,

Travis
 
I am a fairly new student of the bible so Im just trying to understand the rapture. How I see 1st thes chpt.4 starting with vs 13 Paul is talking about people that have died if we believe Christ rose from the dead meaning Christians.. those who are asleep meaning those that have passed ..are with him. To be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord2nd cor.chpt 5 vs 7-8 so be comforted that your loved ones who have died are not laying out in some hole in the groundthat is why we who are alive and remain at his return cannot proceed them because they are already gone..The last trump is the 7th .. When Christ returns we shall be changed into our spiritual bodies..But at the sixth trump satin is cast from heaven 6seal6 trump 6vial.. Look at Paul's 2nd letter to the Thessalonians chpt 2 tells us about Christ's return and that it will not happen until the son of perdition meaning Satan stands in the holy place claiming to be God.. He comes in peacefully and prosperouslyI think that is why the whole world hoards after him.. because most people think it's going to be all destruction and war.. that's why God has shorten the time because of the elects sake else no flesh would survive that is how convincing he is because if all Christians are gone who is God going to use for a testimony for the Holy Spirit to speak through when they are delivered up.. And why wouldbrother betray brother and parent betray child to death.. Death is satin ...but if you think it is Jesus and your child doesn't you would definitely want to convert your child to be saved..Just something to think about like I said I'm a fairly new student definitely no scholar

Hey there Brother!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. In your study of the timing of the rapture, you should also check out Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians: 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 specifically. That second chapter is pretty relevant.

***Oops, I reread your post and realized you already had. 1st and 2nd Thessalonians definitely have a lot of good information in them about the second coming of Jesus Christ. May the Father lead you into all truth, through the Son of God, by the Spirit of God.***

Grace to you,

Travis
 
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Any day now. (I hope).

Hey again,

So.... like say this coming Monday? Jesus could show up with an earth shattering shout (voice of the archangel), slay the "man of sin" with the brightness of his coming, give bodies to all those who are asleep, all these things, and then game over?
 
Hey again,

So.... like say this coming Monday? Jesus could show up with an earth shattering shout (voice of the archangel), slay the "man of sin" with the brightness of his coming, give bodies to all those who are asleep, all these things, and then game over?

I think you have confused two separate events. Jesus coming for His Bride (rapture) and the Second coming of Christ.
 
Its the last day that's what Jesus said . All that my Father has giving me I will raise up the LAST day. Just like Jesus said about Noah and Lot the SAME day Noah enter the ark the flood (wrath) destroyed the rest. And when Lot came of Sodom the SAME day fire (wrath) destroyed the cities. And even Martha said the resurrection is on the LAST day . So when the church leaves then the wrath comes at the last trumpet the dead in Christ shall rise first then we All shall be change the dead and the ones alive and will be caught up TOGETHER so when the dead rise first this its not to the air because everyone who belongs to him go at the same time and no we are not appointed to wrath u just got to know wrath and tribulation are not the same and no one will stand thru Gods wrath that's what's in the little book John its told not to write about anyway that's a diff. topic just read his word all the answer r there. Most will never agree together on if pre- trip or post but Gods Word is true and and if don't agree with it it means u disagree with him and if u not with him your against him cause one is a lie and one is the truth and there is No lie in him so please look the hole picture then u will know. Thanks may God show us all the truth.
 
I think you have confused two separate events. Jesus coming for His Bride (rapture) and the Second coming of Christ.

Rapture..

Trumpet is sounded and we are changed from corruptible to incorruptible and go out to meet The Bridegroom/Jesus in the clouds all in nano seconds.



Second Coming of Christ

(as we met him in the clouds/air and He didn't actually come to earth at the point of the rapture)

is when He goes into Jerusalem by the eastern gate (currently sealed shut) there is an earthquake and at his word the enemies of God are history.
 
Well u say there is a rapture its says we shall be caught up that is telling what happens at a event but that's not what its called .Paul tells the event a few verse's before that u look and tell me what this is ? What is he talking about its called COMING I believe that's in verse 13 or so
 
I think you have confused two separate events. Jesus coming for His Bride (rapture) and the Second coming of Christ.

O, Ok,

Thats very possible, mixing two things up is very easy to do from time to time.

I once mixed up French Fries and Chips in England. I was eating at a restaurant in London, and I asked someone if I could have a couple of their really tasty looking French fries that came with the fish they ordered. They informed me that they are not "French fries," they are "chips." I quickly apologized, because I had not realized that I had confused the two things.

Thanks for pointing that out,

Travis
 
O, Ok,

Thats very possible, mixing two things up is very easy to do from time to time.

I once mixed up French Fries and Chips in England. I was eating at a restaurant in London, and I asked someone if I could have a couple of their really tasty looking French fries that came with the fish they ordered. They informed me that they are not "French fries," they are "chips." I quickly apologized, because I had not realized that I had confused the two things.

Thanks for pointing that out,

Travis

The deep fried potato wedges are still deep fried potato wedges whether you call them french fries or chips.

The deep fried thin potato slices are still deep fried thin potato slices whether you call them potato chips or crisps.



Rapture and Second Coming are not different names for the same thing. They are two totally different events.
 
The deep fried potato wedges are still deep fried potato wedges whether you call them french fries or chips.

The deep fried thin potato slices are still deep fried thin potato slices whether you call them potato chips or crisps.



Rapture and Second Coming are not different names for the same thing. They are two totally different events.

Oh!

So, I was right! They were French fries..... They sure looked like French fries, so I couldn't understand why the other people were calling them chips....

Derp.....
 
In all seriousness though,

Anyone who believes in a pre-tribulation rapture, please at least just consider what I have to say. I don't want anyone to lose heart and have their faith shaken so much that they despair of life itself, if some day they find themselves in a world more immoral, twisted, and full of persecution than Sodom and Gomorra was in it's day, and realize that if there is a pre tribulation rapture, then it would have already happened by now. We should all live as if we may meet the Lord this very day, keeping a close watch on our lives, actions, and attitude; that goes without saying. We don't need some immanency of the rapture to motivate us to live that way though. However, if one expects to be totally free from all the bad things that will eventually be coming upon the Earth, and then finds that they have to endure through them, they may lose heart when this reality sets in. I don't want anyone to lose heart.

Luke 17:26-37
26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot--they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all-- 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left." 36... 37 And they said to him, "Where, Lord?" He said to them, "Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather."

Two things of serious significance here. One, that as soon as the righteous (those who have faith) were separated from the wicked, then God's wrath was poored out upon the wicked, and there was no delay . Two, those who are "taken" at the end of this explanation, well..... you don't want to be them. We can see a clearer picture of where they go from another parable in Matthew:

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43
24 He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25 but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27 And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?' 28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' 29 But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"

...

36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field." 37 He answered, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.​


Jesus is going to have his angels gather up the Weeds first, before he harvests the wheat. So those who are taken in Luke 17:37, where are they taken to? "Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather." The vultures are gathering to feast on their flesh.... you don't want to go where those who are taken in Luke 17 are taken to. Likewise, the weeds are gathered up together first, in order to be burned. Only then will the righteous shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.

God has been in the business of delivering his people from their enemies while they dwell in the midst of them and are persecuted by them from the beginning of time: Shadrach, Meeschek, and Abidnigo from the furnace; Daniel in the lions Den; Noah and his family; David from the wrath of Saul; the Israelites from the Egyptians who had enslaved them. He is more than able to protect his church in the midst of tribulation and sustain her until the end of the age.


In the world you will have tribulation, but take heart, I have overcome the world. John 16:33
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Matthew 16​

Grace to you,

Travis
 
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